There is just too much stuff I hate about EU to state them. The other thread is more convenient for as stating things I like is easier.
ROTS is much more emotionally authentic than TFA.
The shot with all the markings on the wall that show how long Rey has been on Jakku hit me harder than anything in ROTS. That should say quite a bit.
That should say quite a bit about you if that scene “hit you”.
If you ignore trolls, they go away.
In this day and age it’s impossible to distinguish a troll from someone with a really obscure opinion. 5+ years ago it wasn’t this hard but there’s been an awakening. A shift in perspective that was caused when facts and opinions started becoming blurred and solid reasoning was abandoned in favor of equality. And now we have come to this point…
If what you are saying wasn’t stupid and was actually true, I would say the change was that people started to use their own heads.
What facts? When it comes to film impression, there are just opinions. I guess your perception of facts and opinions is blurred.
Meh, I’d argue it offered one of the most compelling things for the Star Wars universe and lore. I don’t see how SWTOR did, especially since Revan is a complete joke in that game.
I don’t really care about Revan side story in SWTOR (and I agree that the side story related to him is super crap). All I care are individual storylines of main characters and the main Sith vs. Republic setting. That stuff is for me one of the best Star Wars experienced for far.
Especially I like the the two Sith and the Imperial Agent storylines. It is basically the first time I could properly experience being an Imperial/Sith in a game. I also like that things are not presented in the usual boring “imperials bad, republic good” black-white contrast. Things are much more practical, down-to-earth and grey.
I will give you benefit of the doubt since I’ve heard raving praise for the Imperial Agent storyline.
Still, my curiosity is piqued when you praise SWTOR for giving you grey story material when KOTOR II also does this. It painted both Jedi and Sith in a “they’re just two extremist ideologies.” The game even will show consequence for being a jackass villian or a knight in shining armor hero and tries to encourage you to lean toward a middle ground. KOTOR II even makes you question your supposed guide/teacher throughout the game. Arguably, KOTOR I isn’t as compelling since it was mainly Jedi good, Sith bad, Republic good, Sith Empire bad routine. Doesn’t mean it’s bad by any means, as both titles aimed for different angles and achieved them very well imo.
I don’t have problems with general KOTOR2 setting and I quite enjoyed it. I actually like how the Jedi Council is selfish and on the border of corruption and all other similar aspects on individual planet story level. The storyline was very interesting until things cleared up in the end and left me disappointed. For me it would be better to leave things unexplained and end the game with no conclusion than with a bad one. I guess that may be too “hipster” for general audience.
Still the main problems are the stupid aspects such as Nihilus and his powers, Sion and his powers, etc. There are some elements like this in SWTOR too but they can generally be ignored, as they either appear only in specific character story or they have no significant affect on the characters main story. The same cannot be said for KOTOR2 as the stupid stuff plays a key role in the storyline.
The only thing that was rushed in TFA was the ending. And it wasn’t even rushed by that much.
If I were you, i.e. a defender of TFA, I would rather argue it was rushed. At least there would be an excuse why it is so bad.
Meh, I’d argue it offered one of the most compelling things for the Star Wars universe and lore. I don’t see how SWTOR did, especially since Revan is a complete joke in that game.
I don’t really care about Revan side story in SWTOR (and I agree that the side story related to him is super crap). All I care are individual storylines of main characters and the main Sith vs. Republic setting. That stuff is for me one of the best Star Wars experienced for far.
Especially I like the the two Sith and the Imperial Agent storylines. It is basically the first time I could properly experience being an Imperial/Sith in a game. I also like that things are not presented in the usual boring “imperials bad, republic good” black-white contrast. Things are much more practical, down-to-earth and grey.
It’s barely a film. It’s a bunch of cutscenes.
An accurate review of tfa
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but having SWTOR sitting next to the giants of KOTOR I & II is quite a travesty too. It spits on everything KOTOR II achieved.
Don’t be silly. I wasn’t even having KOTOR2 sitting with the other three in the first place. KOTOR2, while having some nice moments, has to much ridiculous stuff in it (Nihilus, Sion, wound in the force, etc.) to be on the same level as KOTOR1, DF series and SWTOR.
Mara Jade stuff, Thrawn stuff
… my eyes glazed over.
You like that stuff? Are you are one of them “EU fantards” as you yourself refer to them?
originaltrilogy.com/post/id/792288
So did the script suck or were you wrong?
Well maybe JJ corrupted the script.
Can you believe people wrote petitions and “Gave up on Star Wars” because they wiped out a universe where “Fat Dancer” is basically Luke’s best friend and the three-eyed son of Palpatine takes over the Empire? Ugh. I’m so glad it’s all gone.
Yeah, I’ll never understand the EU fantards. The real kicker is that most of them are fans of Mara Jade and the Solo kids, but all but one of those characters were all dead by the time the EU drew to a close. Why would anyone feel any love or dedication to a universe that kills off most of your favourite characters?
Most of EU is crap, but not all EU is bad. Of course, the most stupid EU is the most popular one coming from books/comics, i.e. Solo’s kids stuff, Luke’s kid stuff, Mara Jade stuff, Thrawn stuff, Yuuzhan Vong crap, cloned Emperor crap, etc.
The best EU comes from video games: DF series, KOTOR, SWTOR.
You like the bantha herd in Jedi? I just find it to be an unnecessary aside that ruins the flow of the film. Also, in general, I despise the addition of the animals all over the desert of Tattooine. It ruins the notion that the planet is nothing but a desolate wasteland full of “scum and villainy.”
I like the scene a lot. Not because of banthas but simply because it shows a bit more of a beautiful side of the planet. It is short and doesn’t ruin the flow at all. It adds more immersion quality, which is a crucial aspect of fantasy worlds. On the other hand, I agree about creatures in ANH (Mos Eisley entry scene), which don’t add anything and are basically a distraction.
I’m going to write a scipt that automatically replies to any post you make with “no shit.”
I know that whatever is say is an obvious truth, but that would be a bit ridiculous.
I would be very satisfied if they made a proper special edition. Take out all the PT crap (Hayden, NOOO) and some other major negative changes, such as Greedo thing, Boba Fett voice, Jedi Rock, etc… but keep the good changes such as Endor celebration song, galaxy celebration scenes, Ben’s house, Bantha herd scene visual/sound improvements, etc.
- Empire Strikes Back
- Return of the Jedi
- The Force Awakens
- A New Hope
- Revenge of the Sith
- The Phantom Menace
- Attack of the Clones
Man, what is up with the middling rankings for ANH lately?
This is a very common phenomenon called “opinion”.
I only watched the first two when I was kid. I don’t remember that much but I think I liked the second one more.
Maybe it is Emperor who surviving the fall.
Ignoring the other movies is like ignoring that your parents had sex. You can pretend it never happened, but it did.
Well there is artificial insemination.
ESB
ROTJ
ANH
TV’s Frink said:
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.I guess as an engineer I have to admit that no system is 100% reliable. The lightsabre could be missed. And let’s assume the big main shaft had no purpose (such as city stabilisation, etc.) and at the bottom there was simply an empty floor.
Okay then, let’s go to the point. The lightsabre ending up in Rey’s hand at exactly that particular moment is not only practically impossible but also stupid and unoriginal from the story perspective. It is about hundred times more stupid than any OT-connecting point in PT. All we need now is Rey being Skywalker/Solo and the PT will look like masterpiece.
You are ignoring the part where Yoda professes his love for Chewie. Nothing can possibly be as stupid as that.
So was naively thought until we saw TFA.
Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
Yeah, plot is always the stoopidest parts of a movie. I am guessing you prefer to go by “I will make this thing because I said so. Trust me, I’m an engineer.”
No I would go by “I will make this as it is required by plot but I will make it logical”.
TV’s Frink said:
Regardless, the lightsaber falling to Bespin makes sense…as do many other theories. They’re all theories, however, because nothing definitive was ever shown in the movie. Too bad impscum doesn’t understand this, so we go round and round, second verse same as the first.
I guess as an engineer I have to admit that no system is 100% reliable. The lightsabre could be missed. And let’s assume the big main shaft had no purpose (such as city stabilisation, etc.) and at the bottom there was simply an empty floor.
Okay then, let’s go to the point. The lightsabre ending up in Rey’s hand at exactly that particular moment is not only practically impossible but also stupid and unoriginal from the story perspective. It is about hundred times more stupid than any OT-connecting point in PT. All we need now is Rey being Skywalker/Solo and the PT will look like masterpiece.
ZkinandBonez said:
Luke got sucked into a tube in which he slid down to, not the end of the tube, but some point in the middle which happened to have a hatch that then dumped him on top of one of Cloud City’s antennas. That’s a pretty crappy waste disposal system. Imagine all the broken antennas, and all the crap that didn’t slide down and land precisely on that one hatch. Where does all that go then? To another antenna somewhere else? No, I have to strongly disagree, it is a very “bizarre thing,” that is if you have to attribute some engineering logic to it, which you really don’t. And if it does have a purpose, than I doubt that waste disposal is the answer.
There is nothing wrong with waste disposal system. Blame the guy who installed an antenna near its exit. That is like inserting an antenna into the car’s exhaust pipe and then complaining about engineering of car’s exhaust system.
Wexter said:
Incredible. You’d really make a brilliant screenwriter.
Indeed. At least compared to ZkinandBonez whose writing principle would be “I will only make this thing for the sake of plot”.
Also finding a piece of solid metal at the bottom of a pit isn’t exactly comparable to growing a new head.
But finding something that was flow into the gas giant and disintegrated is.
Why do you keep insisting that it fell into the gas giant?
Because it did.
Just because Luke got sucked into a tube that eventually dumped him onto an antenna (a very bizarre thing that only happened for plot reasons I might add)
No, you may not add that false claim. The thing was clearly waste disposal system and not some “bizarre thing”. Though, it also serve a plot nicely.
Also finding a piece of solid metal at the bottom of a pit isn’t exactly comparable to growing a new head.
But finding something that was flow into the gas giant and disintegrated is.