imperialscum

Tyrphanax said:

imperialscum said:

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Please tell me that’s old EU.

Nah it’s from the current run Star Wars main series comics. Luke gets captured by a Hutt who collects Jedi artifacts as his crown jewel and then the gang shows up to rescue him.

Back then, I warned and laughed at many people around here who were claiming how happy they are that the old “crappy” EU will be wiped and replaced by great new stuff. I was indeed correct, as always.

I’d say that the ratio of good to bad is about the same: one or two good things and the rest is mostly junk. I don’t miss the old EU.

I agree that the ratio might eventually be the same. As of this moment however, new-EU has been nothing but a crap. Since TFA was a crap, I can just say everything that came after LF sale was a crap so far.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

Please tell me that’s old EU.

Nah it’s from the current run Star Wars main series comics. Luke gets captured by a Hutt who collects Jedi artifacts as his crown jewel and then the gang shows up to rescue him.

Back then, I warned and laughed at many people around here who were claiming how happy they are that the old “crappy” EU will be wiped and replaced by great new stuff. I was indeed correct, as always.

Jeebus said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I don’t know how I feel about that. Seems kinda fanservice-y

I would call that fan-disservice, considering how stupid it is.

Former or latter?

Tyrphanax said:

imperialscum said:

Tyrphanax said:

Someone didn’t think that through.

Why? Assuming the photo is real, it is obviously a standard match template with two countries’ initial three letters. If anyone makes an association to black person, it is their own fault. If anyone even finds it offensive, they are simply stupid.

Yes, it is obviously a standard match template. However, I don’t have much knowledge of German TV companies and considering the social media post it’s from is in English, I assumed that the photo was probably off of an English-speaking station.

On English speaking TV, I can guarantee you they would have transposed Germany and Nigera’s places in order to avoid this. Is that right? Is that wrong? I don’t know, and I don’t really care. I just know that people are sensitive about that word and that media will go above and beyond to not say or spell bad words in general, or create a situation that might offend someone and create bad press for them. I assume one of the reasons Nigeria is abbreviated to NGA instead of the first three letters of the country name is to avoid this kind of situation.

All I can say is that I am sensitive to people/media trying to oblige some sensitive group by altering/appropriating normal stuff and consequently forcing some pintless crap on the rest of us.

I’m not here to say it’s stupid or not

You might not be here to say it, but the truth is that such things are stupid.

yhwx said:

imperialscum said:

yhwx said:

imperialscum said:

Tyrphanax said:

Someone didn’t think that through.

Why? Assuming the photo is real, it is obviously a standard match template with two countries’ initial three letters. If anyone makes an association to black person, it is their own fault. If anyone even finds it offensive, they are simply stupid.

Intent doesn’t matter here. It’s offensive whether it’s intentional or not. If you don’t think that, you’re not hooked up right.

Don’t be stupid.

Don’t embarrass yourself.

This is clearly one the many ways in which you are not hooked up right.

First and foremost, to a person with a normally functioning brain, that thing was just a standard match template indicating the opposing countries and nothing more.

Second, even if we (for some stupid reason) make the association to a combination of letters “nigger”, it has no negative “baggage” attached to it as far as I am concerned. I am from a country with no colonial history, no slavery exploitation history and no racial problems history. Just because some countries (i.e. USA) had such shameful history and corrupted the above-mentioned combination of letters, it doesn’t mean the rest of us should just adopt the crap you are responsible for and feel bad when seeing or using such combination of letters.

yhwx said:

imperialscum said:

Tyrphanax said:

Someone didn’t think that through.

Why? Assuming the photo is real, it is obviously a standard match template with two countries’ initial three letters. If anyone makes an association to black person, it is their own fault. If anyone even finds it offensive, they are simply stupid.

Intent doesn’t matter here. It’s offensive whether it’s intentional or not. If you don’t think that, you’re not hooked up right.

Don’t be stupid.

Tyrphanax said:

Someone didn’t think that through.

Why? Assuming the photo is real, it is obviously a standard match template with two countries’ initial three letters. If anyone makes an association to black person, it is their own fault. If anyone even finds it offensive, they are simply stupid.

TV’s Frink said:

Now I can die in peace.

From which band?

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:
Sorry but there is no consistency between OT and TFA, except for the stuff that TFA rehased.

I like the OT for the following reasons:

• Simplistic plot with things bubbling under the surface

• Layered and colorful characters

• A good soundtrack

• Good action

• Immersion into a world I will never get to experience

etc.

TFA has all of these in spades and in terms of the action and a couple of minor things it outclasses the films that came before it.

Nice joke.

Lord Haseo said:
you fucking twit

Let’s drop the honorifics, shall we?

Lord Haseo said:

I said you said (or alluded to) the film being NEAR perfect.

Still wrong. I have never used “near perfect” to describe a film either.

Lord Haseo said:
You said that Leia being force sensitive was the only problem you had with the film (somehow) ergo that would mean you think it’s nearly perfect.

Wrong.

Lord Haseo said:
I like TFA for the same reasons I like the OT.

Sorry but there is no consistency between OT and TFA, except for the stuff that TFA rehased.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just hope it’s better than the original.

So I’m not the only one who thinks it’s not that good of a film?

It makes perfect sense that two people who like crap films like TFA would not like masterpiece like Blade Runner.

You think ROTJ is near perfect so fucking eat me.

I have never used “perfect” when describing a film. It is bad to make things up, especially when you are in the presence of the truth.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

The first hour of Alien was slow too but it was well worth it when the shit hit the fan.

The first hour of Alien is actually the best part of the film.

Good but slow build up and better yet there’s a good amount of payoff. I prefer the second hour because you know…the plot is being pushed forward consistently.

You seriously have things mixed up. If anything, first half of Alien is all about plot. When it comes to plot, that is a textbook example. The second part is more of a thrill/action ride.

It starts to make sense why would you like crap like TFA.

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just hope it’s better than the original.

So I’m not the only one who thinks it’s not that good of a film?

It makes perfect sense that two people who like crap films like TFA would not like masterpiece like Blade Runner.

Lord Haseo said:

The first hour of Alien was slow too but it was well worth it when the shit hit the fan.

The first hour of Alien is actually the best part of the film.

I thought nothing matters any more?

DominicCobb said:
Just means he knows an ability Vader does not.

I wouldn’t even say “knows” as it implies it can be learnt. Emperor simply has an extremely rare given ability/potential that Vader does not. It is like getting an impossible mutation of an eye that allows eagle eye quality sight. Those who don’t have such mutation simply cannot have that kind of sight ability, not matter how hard they may try to “train” their eyes.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

MathUser said:

Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?

Because nostalgia

Yes, I have a nostalgia for non-stupid things.

Stupid? Possibly. Corny? Definitely.

Well at least you admit the things you argue for are corny. However, I must insist they are stupid.

Lord Haseo said:

Also I’m not a fan of the “the Emperor is soooo evil that…” thinking so we’ll have to agree to to disagree on that one. The Emperor may be powerful but he is not some demi-God of the Force who is so powerful he can literally pull powers out of his ass.

It is not because “the Emperor is soooo evil that…”, it is simply because he happened to be born extraordinarily exceptionally gifted. And yes that is why he could “pull powers out of his ass” while no one else could. It is like Einstein “pulling” theory of relativity “out of his ass” while no one else could at the time. We haven’t had a scientist of his calibre since Newton and Galileo and it doesn’t seem we will have one in near future either. Do you get it now?

Lord Haseo said:

MathUser said:

Well, obviously lighting is a force ability you can learn over time. So why assume only one person throughout history could do it?

Because nostalgia

Yes, I have a nostalgia for non-stupid things.

Lightning should be unique to Emperor for +/-100 years. That should show that he really was something special. On the other hand, it would maintain lightning as something very special an rare. PT dumbed down lightning, as so many other concepts from OT.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

If Han paid Jabba off, Jabba doesn’t have to pay the bounty hunters. The rebel reward looked pretty hefty from that scene where Han and Chewie were loading up the loot in Star Wars.

That Jabba is a drug addled, disagreeable fellow in Jedi doesn’t change what happened in ESB.

The rebel reward might have been hefty for Han. However it was less than a change for a galactic crime lord, as was the price for hiring bounty hunters. In the best case he would kill him quickly/painlessly and take the money. Of course he wasn’t going to be so generous, as indicated in ROTJ. For the rest, read Lord Haseo’s post above.

Show me where that is even implied on screen. Clearly Han in ESB thought it was enough to go and pay Jabba.

Lord Haseo already pointed it out…

Han: “Jabba, I’ll pay you triple! You’re throwing away a fortune here! Don’t be a fool!”
[Jabba laughs and ignores him.]

If in ESB Han genuinely thought he was coming back alive, it is either a plot hole or a device to convey to the audience that Han was stupid. It is like having film where a character thinks he can successfully land on a Sun with current technology.

It’s only a plot hole if you don’t come up with a decent resolution for the next film. 😉

Jabba’s reputation was already established in the previous film. Han’s expectation not to be made an example of even if he brought the money is ludicrous. As I said, in best case he would grant him a painless death for the money. In most probable case, he would take away his money and properly make an example of him. Sequel has no effect on this. ROTJ simply followed the obvious.

As I said, the only way this isn’t a plot hole is if Han didn’t actually intend to go pay and simply used it as an excuse to leave rebels for some other reason.

We’re also forgetting it wasn’t for certain Harrison was coming back for a third film, hence the carbon freeze.

As I said above, sequel doesn’t have any effect on Han’s intention to go pay at the beginning of ESB being ludicrous, as Jabba’s reputation has been already established in ANH.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

If Han paid Jabba off, Jabba doesn’t have to pay the bounty hunters. The rebel reward looked pretty hefty from that scene where Han and Chewie were loading up the loot in Star Wars.

That Jabba is a drug addled, disagreeable fellow in Jedi doesn’t change what happened in ESB.

The rebel reward might have been hefty for Han. However it was less than a change for a galactic crime lord, as was the price for hiring bounty hunters. In the best case he would kill him quickly/painlessly and take the money. Of course he wasn’t going to be so generous, as indicated in ROTJ. For the rest, read Lord Haseo’s post above.

Show me where that is even implied on screen. Clearly Han in ESB thought it was enough to go and pay Jabba.

Lord Haseo already pointed it out…

Han: “Jabba, I’ll pay you triple! You’re throwing away a fortune here! Don’t be a fool!”
[Jabba laughs and ignores him.]

If in ESB Han genuinely thought he was coming back alive, it is either a plot hole or a device to convey to the audience that Han was stupid. It is like having film where a character thinks he can successfully land on a Sun with current technology.

The best way to solve this plot hole is to simply assume Han never really intended to pay Jabba and was simply using it as a very bad excuse to leave the rebels for whatever reason.

SilverWook said:

If Han paid Jabba off, Jabba doesn’t have to pay the bounty hunters. The rebel reward looked pretty hefty from that scene where Han and Chewie were loading up the loot in Star Wars.

That Jabba is a drug addled, disagreeable fellow in Jedi doesn’t change what happened in ESB.

The rebel reward might have been hefty for Han. However it was less than a change for a galactic crime lord, as was the price for hiring bounty hunters. In the best case he would kill him quickly/painlessly and take the money. Of course he wasn’t going to be so generous, as indicated in ROTJ. For the rest, read Lord Haseo’s post above.

SilverWook said:

There’s nothing onscreen to indicate Jabba wouldn’t accept payment at that point.

There are tons of obvious things that are not onscreen. There is no need for Ric Olie telling audience the obvious.

Anyway, what I said is eventually confirmed onscreen in ROTJ.

ray_afraid said:

It’s not hard to use your imagination to come up with an number of reasons things played out the way they did. Again, this isn’t real history, so nobody has the real answers.

It isn’t hard to come up with hundreds of reasons why he didn’t/couldn’t pay it immediately after ANH. However, it is impossible to justify his decision for a clear suicide in ESB. Jabba wouldn’t care about any reason at that point.