imperialscum

IP55 said:
I’m probably older than you pal

Okay, congrats.

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

That is a misconception I would say. When you read the transcripts from meetings between Lucas, Kasdan and Kershner during the ESB pre-production, it is obvious Lucas dismissed many feedback and ideas coming from either of them. Many of those ideas were not good in my opinion anyway. However, he did keep the good ones, which shows that he actually had a different mentality back then. And judging from his absence in these transcripts, Kurtz wasn’t even involved in these sessions.

Saying Kurtz and Kershner were in charge of ESB is rather silly. Lucas had pretty much everything under control. Even during the principal photography when minor changes were made to the script, Kershner actually phoned Lucas and he approved them.

And anyone would panic when time and cost of principal photography is doubled. Even major studios would freak out, let alone newly founded independent film company. I think Kurtz was quite rightfully fired for that.

Alderaan said:

and so it’s clear to me at least that George Lucas has the mind of a child and always had the mind of a child.

Maybe you should go watch THX1138.

Then you’ll see just how much of a fluke ANH was haha

You are entering the silly zone my friend.

Are you saying thx is a ‘good film’?

That is right boy. That is the truth.

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

Alderaan said:

[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PT

He was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.

I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.

I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.

I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.

Irvin made ESB what it was.

End

I love people who think the director is the only person responsible for the success or failure of a movie.

Well depends on the film. But in ESB Kershner was a hired actor director while Lucas was basically the creative director of the film.

You’re sadly mistaken if you think all he did was direct actors.

That was his primary contribution I would say.

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

That is a misconception I would say. When you read the transcripts from meetings between Lucas, Kasdan and Kershner during the ESB pre-production, it is obvious Lucas dismissed many feedback and ideas coming from either of them. Many of those ideas were not good in my opinion anyway. However, he did keep the good ones, which shows that he actually had a different mentality back then. And judging from his absence in these transcripts, Kurtz wasn’t even involved in these sessions.

Saying Kurtz and Kershner were in charge of ESB is rather silly. Lucas had pretty much everything under control. Even during the principal photography when minor changes were made to the script, Kershner actually phoned Lucas and he approved them.

And anyone would panic when time and cost of principal photography is doubled. Even major studios would freak out, let alone newly founded independent film company. I think Kurtz was quite rightfully fired for that.

Alderaan said:

and so it’s clear to me at least that George Lucas has the mind of a child and always had the mind of a child.

Maybe you should go watch THX1138.

Then you’ll see just how much of a fluke ANH was haha

You are entering the silly zone my friend.

TV’s Frink said:

IP55 said:

imperialscum said:

Alderaan said:

[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PT

He was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.

I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.

I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.

I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.

Irvin made ESB what it was.

End

I love people who think the director is the only person responsible for the success or failure of a movie.

Well depends on the film. But in ESB Kershner was a hired actor director while Lucas was basically the creative director of the film.

Sougouk said:

However, I really hated the CG Tarkin. The scenes with CG Tarkin, threw me out of the movie experience.
Unfortunately, he’s an important character and needed to be in the movie.
It sorta felt like a “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” Meets “Star Wars”, mixing Animation/CG with Live Action.

For me, Tarkin was one of the highlights of the film.

SwissArmyTin said:

imperialscum said:

There are no TFA “same type of arguments” when it comes to OT.

…Jedi? Or are you just gonna turn a blind eye to the OT so you can hold them as perfect while shit-talking everything else?

There is no need to turn a blind eye to OT.

Lord Haseo said:

I’ve seen people call Luke a Mary Sue…I have seen people say that Vader was a shitty villain in STAR WARS among other ridiculous claims.

I see people being wrong all the time. Please do not get upset over nothing.

DuracellEnergizer said:

He also loves using his headcanon

An interesting term you have for the truth.

Lord Haseo said:

GigoloJoe said:

MalàStrana said:

darthrush said:
The Force Awakens just has fun lines of dialogue that throw back to things like the Kessel run.

The bad guy being a Skywalker who turned to the dark side aka Anakin 2.0 ?
The Death Star 3.0 ?
The Emperor 2.0 ?
The Empire 2.0 ?
The Rebellion 2.0 ?
R2.0-D2.0 ?
etc.

At the risk of becoming a TFApologist…

That’s actually a term? If anyone should be apologizing it should be Max Landis or something.

Also I guess I’m an OT apoligist because I refute the same type of arguments when discussing those films as well.

There are no TFA “same type of arguments” when it comes to OT.

adywan said:

imperialscum said:

If EP8 reveals that Rey is related to someone we already know, this will be downright ridiculous.

Then you must really hate Leia turning out to be Luke’s brother in ROTJ.

There is a huge difference between what ROTJ did and what new trilogy is doing. As being part of the same trilogy, it was ROTJ’s job to develop the concept of Skywalker family that was merely briefly introduced at the end of ESB (admittedly it overdid it with Leia but okay). On the other hand, new trilogy is shamelessly directly copying concepts from OT.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also they could have Rey learn who her parents are in IX and in a completely different way from how Luke learned in V.

Sure. In your mind you can think that. The details are details.

Nice rebuttal.

Thanks.

Lord Haseo said:

Also they could have Rey learn who her parents are in IX and in a completely different way from how Luke learned in V.

Sure. In your mind you can think that. The details are details.

Lord Haseo said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

Lord Haseo said:

I prefer Rey Kenobi

Why?

Mostly the continuance of the family motif but in this case the main protagonist wouldn’t be a Skywalker.

To continue the rehash tradition and expand it on trilogy level? If EP8 reveals that Rey is related to someone we already know, this will be downright ridiculous.

That is a misconception I would say. When you read the transcripts from meetings between Lucas, Kasdan and Kershner during the ESB pre-production, it is obvious Lucas dismissed many feedback and ideas coming from either of them. Many of those ideas were not good in my opinion anyway. However, he did keep the good ones, which shows that he actually had a different mentality back then. And judging from his absence in these transcripts, Kurtz wasn’t even involved in these sessions.

Saying Kurtz and Kershner were in charge of ESB is rather silly. Lucas had pretty much everything under control. Even during the principal photography when minor changes were made to the script, Kershner actually phoned Lucas and he approved them.

And anyone would panic when time and cost of principal photography is doubled. Even major studios would freak out, let alone newly founded independent film company. I think Kurtz was quite rightfully fired for that.

Alderaan said:

and so it’s clear to me at least that George Lucas has the mind of a child and always had the mind of a child.

Maybe you should go watch THX1138.

Alderaan said:

[Haarspalter said:]
If you want to find out what George Lucas was thinking when he made the PT

He was thinking the same things he was thinking when he made the OT if you ask me. But there were no longer any constraints or people to reign him in.

I think if George could have, he would have made the originals exactly like he made the prequels.

I doubt that. He had practically no constraints in ESB and ROTJ as he held the rights to the sequels and was doing them with his own company. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since the studio did not seem to care about the film prior to the release.

I would say it is mostly that in OT he actually had good ideas and was open to feedback from his collaborators.

TV’s Frink said:

We ordered pizza tonight and I ate the shit out of mine.

How was the shit and who ended up eating your pizza?

Good ranking.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

I have never said anything like that.

Yes you have but not in such an overt manner.

Not against Disney.

インペリアルスカム様がほんまええ人やな。頭がええしかっこええし優しいし誠実やさかい。

I have never said anything like that.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Please send me a PM for advice regarding reading comprehension practise.

You must be doing this on purpose

Yes, I am making a linguistic drift.

Admittedly I was premature in going at you. I didn’t know “practice” was one of those words that is spelled differently depending on where you live.

In any case, I used the wrong word. In proper English “practise” is a verb and “practice” is a noun. That is why I said I am making a linguistic drift

My apologies on that one but can we stay on the main point?

I am not the one who swayed away from it in the first place.

TV’s Frink said:

Hux is childish?

Hux is mostly unmemorable.

Lord Haseo said:

Please send me a PM for advice regarding reading comprehension practise.

You must be doing this on purpose

Yes, I am making a linguistic drift.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

ATMachine said:

Yet even so, it has the right to exist. The PT may be awful, but I certainly don’t propose we adopt Lucas’ methods of destroying films we don’t like.

I do not think anyone is suggesting that. Nevertheless, one has to be careful when it come to memories. When you see something awful you cannot remove it from your memories. It will forever pollute your memories and likely ruin experience of OT.

Speak for yourself.

Considering everything but the first sentence was the truth, are you suggesting that you support Lucas’ method of destroying films?

No, I was referring to this:

imperialscum said:
It will forever pollute your memories and likely ruin experience of OT.

Nothing and I mean nothing other than the films themselves will ruin my memories or enjoyment of the Original Trilogy. I just like the films too much to be swayed by outside sources.

I said “likely” in order to account for outliers.

Please send me a PM for advice regarding reading comprehension practise.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

ATMachine said:

Yet even so, it has the right to exist. The PT may be awful, but I certainly don’t propose we adopt Lucas’ methods of destroying films we don’t like.

I do not think anyone is suggesting that. Nevertheless, one has to be careful when it come to memories. When you see something awful you cannot remove it from your memories. It will forever pollute your memories and likely ruin experience of OT.

Speak for yourself.

Considering everything but the first sentence was the truth, are you suggesting that you support Lucas’ method of destroying films?

ATMachine said:

Yet even so, it has the right to exist. The PT may be awful, but I certainly don’t propose we adopt Lucas’ methods of destroying films we don’t like.

I do not think anyone is suggesting that. Nevertheless, one has to be careful when it come to memories. When you see something awful you cannot remove it from your memories. It will forever pollute your memories and likely ruin experience of OT.