imperialscum

Blue_Harvest said:

imperialscum said:

MalàStrana said:

French title released: Les derniers Jedi. Yep, plural, so several Jedi are expected.

I know of at least one language where the title was translated in singular. So this does not seem to be very reliable.

A mistake can be made in one way, but not the other way.
In french, you just can’t translate “The Last Jedi” in plural by mistake.

What do you mean you cannot translate “The Last Jedi” in plural by mistake? “The Last Jedi” in English can be both plural or singular, therefore you do not know which one is it when you are translating.

MalàStrana said:

French title released: Les derniers Jedi. Yep, plural, so several Jedi are expected.

I know of at least one language where the title was translated in singular. So this does not seem to be very reliable.

DominicCobb said:

A Rey parentage reveal is needed at some point, after what was set up.

As I said for “last Jedi living in nowhere”, just because it was thrust upon by TFA it does not mean it is not a rehash.

DominicCobb said:

I see TFA and the ST as less a direct sequel and more a continuation further down the line with a new generation.

Well regardless of how you see it, the truth is that TFA is more of a soft remake than sequel.

DominicCobb said:

They look different than in TFA. I guess ESB rehash has begun.

TFA already thrust at least one rehash of a major ESB element upon TLJ (i.e. training from the last Jedi who is living in a middle of nowhere). It will certainly be a rehash. The only question is to what degree.

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Imp’scum’s poor fountain pen. It must be raw, red, and chapped something fierce from all that furious doing of taxes.

Gross.

DE usually is.

Star Wars is just too rich and diverse to label it that simply. It has about equal amount of sci-fi, adventure, drama, action, war, romance and fantasy. Star Wars is Star Wars.

TV’s Frink said:

Hey you’re not the only one here who tries to hide behind “all art is subjective” so that’s cool for you I guess.

I have no need for such thing. I have the truth.

I am simply kind-hearted enough to explain the concept of “objective” to you since you do not understand it.

TV’s Frink said:

But seriously, anyone who thinks they’re executed well doesn’t know the first thing about making a movie. By any standard of execution, they are objectively poor.

Look if you want something to be objective you have to have a clear measure. For example, you can define a measure for body motion execution by velocity or force. By measuring either you can then objectively evaluate the motion execution according to the defined measure.

Now to be honest, I can actually define an objective measure even for film execution. You have a script with dialogue that has N number of words. You can then measure number of words M that made it into the final film. This execution measure would then be M/N [no units] or (M/N)*100% [percent]. Of course this is completely useless measure but any objective measure will not make sense in terms of artistic aspects since they are completely subjective.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:
they’re objectively poorly executed

What is the objective measure and what are the units?

Since you possess truth there’s no need for me to tell you.

The truth is that there is no objective measure when it comes to art (which is what film is).

TV’s Frink said:
they’re objectively poorly executed

What is the objective measure and what are the units?

DominicCobb said:

PT references in TFA

• Tekka mentions “balance in the Force” major PT reference
• Kylo Ren mentions clone army (though the concept of warring clones dates back to the original film) OT-introduced concept reference
• Maz mentions “the Sith” (though the word has been around SW lore since the 70s) not a reference
• Super debatable, but Kylo Ren’s hairstyle could be purposefully reminiscent of ROTS Anakin WTF… not a reference
• Ewan McGregor Obi-Wan voice cameo minor PT reference

PT references in RO

• Turbo tank (though this was an ESB concept) PT reference
• Jimmy Smitts as Bail Organa (thought the character has of course existed since the original) major PT reference (PT actor is, no matter the character… e.g. ghost scene change)
• Genevieve O’Reilly as Mon Mothma (though the character is of course in ROTJ, and the actress played her in deleted scenes, not the actual film) not a reference
• Flashback on Coruscant (though the planet existed pre-PT) EU and also PT reference
• Vader’s castle on Mustafar (though this was also an ESB concept) major PT reference

Bottom line, if you think one has more than the other (or that they are significant in either), you’re wrong.

Comments are in bold.

Bottom line is the degree of PT references in TFA played no role in TFA being crap.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

stealthboy said:

I’m praying for no prequel references. That’s all. I honestly don’t care about anything else.

I think I’m going to judge the film on how good it is, rather than if there’s a random comment about Geonosis.

This. TFA had no PT references and it sucked. On the other hand, R1 had PT references and it was good.

After Finn’s defection, one of the New Order guys was touting how clone troops would be better.

There are a few minor references which are negligible compared to references in R1. The main point was that the film can still suck (e.g. TFA) regardless of how many PT references it has.

Humby said:

imperialscum said:

This does not make any sense. If you abandon the conceptual ideals of the Jedi then you are not Jedi any more.

That’s the point though. Once Luke abandons them, the Jedi no longer exist. He was the Last Jedi.

Edit: After rereading my original post, I think the confusion might be near the end where I said he “truly is the last Jedi”, where perhaps I should’ve said he “was” rather than “is”.

I see what you mean. But still it wouldn’t explain the reason for the title “The Last Jedi” if he hasn’t been Jedi for a while.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

Kellythatsit said:

Because of harmy I’ve been able to show my boys the OUT.

Unfortunately, a friend of theirs recently showed them the 2004 DVD Special Edition.

They now prefer that version.

That friend has been banned from my house.

You already showed them the OUT first and then later on someone showed them the SE and now you banned that kid from your house because of that? That is just stupid. They would see the SE sooner or later, whether you like it or not. Acting like a paranoid dictator and trying to censor things like that is obsessive behaviour. Ironically, reminds me of the behaviour of a certain person who did not want us ever to see theatrical versions again.

I’m sure your uninformed parenting advice is greatly appreciated.

It is not a parenting advice. It is not an advice at all. It is just the truth.

Kellythatsit said:

Because of harmy I’ve been able to show my boys the OUT.

Unfortunately, a friend of theirs recently showed them the 2004 DVD Special Edition.

They now prefer that version.

That friend has been banned from my house.

You already showed them the OUT first and then later on someone showed them the SE and now you banned that kid from your house because of that? That is just stupid. They would see the SE sooner or later, whether you like it or not. Acting like a paranoid dictator and trying to censor things like that is obsessive behaviour. Ironically, reminds me of the behaviour of a certain person who did not want us ever to see theatrical versions again.

TV’s Frink said:

stealthboy said:

I’m praying for no prequel references. That’s all. I honestly don’t care about anything else.

I think I’m going to judge the film on how good it is, rather than if there’s a random comment about Geonosis.

This. TFA had no PT references and it sucked. On the other hand, R1 had PT references and it was good.

Humby said:

I think ‘The Last Jedi’ refers to Luke abandoning the conceptual ideals of the Jedi, which is what led to their downfall in the first place (and possibly what led to his failure with Ben and the loss of his students).

Luke will be the Last Jedi because he abandons those ideals when he trains Rey. Rey’s training will embrace both the dark and the light, but only in an attempt to do what is right and just. We saw him sort of embrace that in ROTJ, and maybe that scared him, but after losing all of his students and reexamineing the ideals of past Jedi, he realizes that suppressing the dark side isn’t the best way to go. So he teaches Rey to embrace love, and to accept possesion and attachment as a natural part of life and the force.

So he, in the end, truly is the last Jedi. That would be a good way to both acknowledge the prequels, but also distance itself from them.

But I do think he will at least make it to Episode IX

This does not make any sense. If you abandon the conceptual ideals of the Jedi then you are not Jedi any more.

DuracellEnergizer said:

I like Dark Empire. Hell, I like it more than ROTJ by a large margin.

You ok my friend?

I love the Shimada women’s hairstyle from Japan.

This thread is about which films are in your personal canon, not all Star Wars related stuff.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:
I have fact checked you on numerous occasions.

In your mind you can think that.

Guess I wasted time

One usually does when arguing against the truth.

Lord Haseo said:
I have fact checked you on numerous occasions.

In your mind you can think that.

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Lord Haseo said:

Please don’t so I have a legitimate reason to ignore you when they come out.

You have a legitimate reason to ignore him whether he sees them or not.

There’s really no difference anyway as all he does is rehash other people’s arguments.

The truth is not anyone’s argument…

Lord Haseo said:
I feel you.

That is not me.

TV’s Frink said:

RE# is the dumbest thing I’ve seen in a while.

Me too.