Does everyone agree that ther eshould be a 2017 special edition that brings back sebastian shaw?
Yeah, it’s called the 1983 theatrical cut.
Technically it is also called 1997 SE.
basically putting off resolving the story for the next writer and director rather than having an individual story installment
The film is about finding Luke and that is exactly what happened.
The film was supposed to be about finding Luke. Even though he is found in the end, the rest of the film is primarily about a bunch of unrelated random crap.
Exactly. I wanted it to be well-written and well-structured story, and it ended up being a complete mess.
Your post merely confirmed exactly what Neverar said. Your opinion on the actual plot is irrelevant to his point.
What do you mean “my opinion”?
Exactly. I wanted it to be well-written and well-structured story, and it ended up being a complete mess.
Just because it’s not what you or I might have expected after ROTJ doesn’t mean it’s a definitively wrong way to do it. As long as it makes sense in the story, and the story is well told, I don’t see any reason to be upset by it.
Story is the worst aspect of TFA (and there are many bad aspects), not because it did not turn out what I expected but because it is actually utter shit:
You seem to be under the impression that the main character in TFA was Luke. He was not. His story function was similar to that of the Death Star plans in ANH. The real main character is of course Rey, and we spend most of the movie with her. This is not something up for debate, and your criticism is entirely because it did not conform to what you wanted it to be.
I am under no such impression. This is not a matter of main character. As I clearly said, finding Luke was supposed to be the central part of plot. Yet in reality it is not and the plot is all over other random crap (death star, Solo family, and other unrelated crap).
Just because it’s not what you or I might have expected after ROTJ doesn’t mean it’s a definitively wrong way to do it. As long as it makes sense in the story, and the story is well told, I don’t see any reason to be upset by it.
Story is the worst aspect of TFA (and there are many bad aspects), not because it did not turn out what I expected but because it is actually utter shit:
I tend to agree that Leia being at this battle is bad. It would be better if the plans were handed over to her in some different location. Anyway it is not a major issue.
That’s because Anakin “died” when he turned to the dark side.
I thought this crap has been debunked so many times already.
Is it just me or was the walking pattern of Vader in R1 noticeably different from OT. On lava planet, Vader’s walking pattern seemed like a fashion model walking on the stage. In contrast, walking in OT is much more “robotic”, which I like more.
Admittedly, I only saw R1 once and my impression could a bit incomplete.
Sorry, missed it. Took special offense at being linked to a guy who considers the '97 SE the definitive version. Should report you for that, actually.
Who is that guy? I said I like 97 SE, not that I consider them definitive. There are things I do not like about 97 SE too.
When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.
That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.
You mean all other stuff I am talking about, like story, has no bearing on how you view the film? If you rate solely on the content in the individual film, ESB is quite weak story-wise. The story is incomplete in the beginning and more-so in the end.
I’m not saying to act as if STAR WARS didn’t exist while watching/rating ESB; I’m just judging the competency of the writing. When I’m discussing the quality of two movies in the same series I don’t have preconceived notions about other entries in the Saga because that’s just weird.
If you compare within the series that is fine. But that is not what we are talking about here. If you compare a film to other great films you have to do it individually.
But if you compare ESB to those films without preconceived notions and with quality being the only thing you’re analyzing you wouldn’t have that problem. The problem is yours buddy.
So the most important part of the film (i.e. story) is not part of your “quality”? And unless you can provide me an objective measure to define quality (you cannot), your argument fails in its basics.
When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.
That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.
You mean all other stuff I am talking about, like story, has no bearing on how you view the film? If you rate solely on the content in the individual film, ESB is quite weak story-wise. The story is incomplete in the beginning and more-so in the end.
I’m not saying to act as if STAR WARS didn’t exist while watching/rating ESB; I’m just judging the competency of the writing. When I’m discussing the quality of two movies in the same series I don’t have preconceived notions about other entries in the Saga because that’s just weird.
If you compare within the series that is fine. But that is not what we are talking about here. If you compare a film to other great films you have to do it individually.
When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.
That’s fine and all but if we compare the movies in all aspects of film making and storytelling Empire towers over STAR WARS in my opinion as all that other stuff you’re talking about has no bearing on how I view a film. I rate movies solely on the content.
You mean all other stuff I am talking about, like story, has no bearing on how you view the film? If you rate solely on the content in the individual film, ESB is quite weak story-wise. The story is incomplete in the beginning and more-so in the end.
No one cares.
You seem to care enough to reply to most of my posts…
The only one that can really be considered high art is ESB and that’s not to say that SW and TFA aren’t great films but if we compare those films to some of the all time greats they won’t hold up nearly as well as ESB would.
First, what is this “high art” crap anyway? Seem like some irrelevant snobbish thing that does not have any connection to the reality.
When it comes to comparison to other great films, I think ANH is the only one that can stand alone and be compared. Yes, ESB has more complex story and a bit better execution, but its story is completely dependant on the other two films and it builds on many concepts introduced in the original. Not to mention ANH was by far more culturally impactful and historically significant.
and that’s not to say that SW and TFA aren’t great films
Don’t embarrass yourself. It is silly to say TFA is good film, but this is getting beyond ridiculous.
I will echo some of the thoughts about Dark Forces II. No “Darth Badguy” names. Villains with weird powers and even blue lightsabers. The whole vertical city setting. It’s probably aged really badly but it was the most exciting thing I’d ever seen when it was new. The dark side ending was so cool.
Well the graphics are now completely outdated. However, the introductory cut-scene for Nar Shaddaa is still great.
Some guys reconstructed original Dark Forces in Jedi Academy and it was great. I am not aware of any similar successful project for Dark Forces II.
Do you think people who like TFA and R1 think these movies are high art and in no way products? Of course they are products but that doesn’t mean they are bad products.
TFA definitely is a bad product.
to talk over or discuss again
to present or use again in another form without substantial change or improvement
You’re just describing Alderaan and impscum’s arguments.
We are all repeating the same things when it comes to TFA. In fact, I usually just reply to you when you repeating the same thing. The difference is that I repeat the truth.
Unlike TFA, R1 is not a rehash.
Do not try to undo my great work. I cleansed the stupid irregularity and made the verb proper.
And something like that is pretty inconsequential when it comes to the overall quality of a film.
So what about the rehash part, where they cheaply imitate the original and spit it back out at you?
Well I think we disagree when it comes to what constitutes a “cheap imitation.”
It was not cheap at all. It costed a lot. However, it was bad.
…get annoyed when users revert to childish behavior and mock people who like the Disney films. They are not policing people who disagree with them.
You mean like reverting to childish behaviour and mocking people for liking the prequels?
I would enjoy knowing why it’s okay for some people to be childish and mock people for their differing opinions, but not vice versa. I’d also like to know which lame justification I’ll get this time.
There are a lot of double standards here but I think the “you can’t disagree with me but I can disagree with you, and in turn mock you” may be the biggest one.
There’s not one sole perpetrator but the irony of arguments like these surely can’t be lost on everyone.Nobody here is going to PrequelTrilogy dot com to bash the PT. If you want a place to discuss your PT love, maybe OriginalTrilogy dot com isn’t the best place.
Keep in mind that the only uniting thread we all share here is a love of the Original Trilogy. Don’t expect people to share or respect your opinion of anything else, but you are free to have whatever opinions your have on any subject. And everybody is free to state their disagreement and engage in debate.
Sorry Ray but this a very poor argument. If you follow your argument, the same could be said for TFA lovers: “If they want a place to discuss their TFA love, maybe OriginalTrilogy dot com isn’t the best place”.
There should not be double standards when it comes to PT lovers and TFA lovers.
I didn’t know there were other people in the Vader suit other than the three OT guys.
Lots of the lightsaber fight scenes were done by other actors. Apparently Prowse was bad at it and broke too many props.
No actors were used in fight scenes other than Prowse. I thought Bob Anderson (stunt guy, not an actor) did the fight scenes and he was the third guy in my list. Feel free to throw names if you know this guy…
Well if you want to use the term “stunt guy”, that is what I meant I guess. Considering Prowse had done zero dialogue in final films, his role was not much different. In the end they all did just body acting, except for Jones.
Sorry, I do not know who the person on the picture is.
Edit: ah, Z6PO answered that.
I didn’t know there were other people in the Vader suit other than the three OT guys.
Lots of the lightsaber fight scenes were done by other actors. Apparently Prowse was bad at it and broke too many props.
I don’t understand why anybody would come here to complain about a movie that is over a year old now. It’s just a movie.
You mean like complaining about a movie that is almost 20 years old?
I don’t think time is really an issue for Star Wars fans wanting to complain about something.I don’t go to places where PT fans meet to complain about how awful I feel the movies they love are. If it comes up in conversation, I’ll express my feelings. But I don’t go out of my way to constantly tell people I don’t like what they love.
I rarely go into this thread, but anytime I do, it’s the same conversation between the same people. What’s the point?
I do not come here to complain, even though doing so constitutes roughly 94.567% of my posts.
WYSHS
I doubt this thread constitutes even 1% of my recent posts…
Your complaining is not limited to this thread, unfortunately.
The conversation you intruded was going on specifically about this thread.