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ChainsawAsh said:Don't forget that when the picture is stretched back out to make it 16:9, the subtitle text is going to get shorter/wider, as well.  Just something to keep in mind.

yeah i thought about that. even asked about it but didnt really get an answer. well i hope they come out ok because they are done! i am currently rendering the ac3 5.1 track now. then the video when its done in about an hour. and the final render in cce. the dvd is already pre authored all i have to do is add the movie and set the chapters. if all goes well you guys will be the first to know. i will be uploading it to public bt and 1 or 2 private trackers to be announced. i am very happy so far with how the edit looks. very clean! this could become very addictive for me.  i already have 2 more planned. 

i rendered this clip out to mpg for those wondering about the subs. however after resizing it to fit here i think the text color faded a little. its brighter yellow.

the bluray releases are the us cut. it is sad that the uncut edition has yet to be released on bluray because i have the blurays and they look stunning. considering the number of years it took to release bluray editions the fact that they still went with the us cut of the film is just a smudge on the otherwise flawless record of Q.T.   but i blame mirawacks not the great director. it seems he has been left to his own device to release the whole bloody affair. to the point of he had to buy a theater to get the fim shown on the bigscreen. i have hope for a bluray edition but if it is spread across 2 discs then its pointless.      chaisawash  i went with the standard arial font. i looked at using the bookman font but arial just looked cleaner.  and me personally i love the subs in the letterbox. i have always felt that subs in the picture takes away from the cinematic quality of a film that relies mostly on visual elements. i would rather see heads chopped off without words stamped across them.lol.   i will never forget the day i was in blockbuster buying some movies and was approached by a suburbanite couple in there 40,s, a real soccermom and conservative lawyer type. the lady was clutching kill bill vol 1 and 2 in her hand.   she looks at me with that  donna reed haircut and says are these movies any good?  the husband was like  in shock his wife was gonna let him rent them.  and all i could do was smile wide and say um well your holding 2 of my favorite movies ever made. so are they good? i would have to say no they are amazing! but do i think you should watch them? i would say if you do not mind a little bit of blood then i would send the kids to bed grab a cocktail and get ready to have a one of kind viewing experience!   i left that rental smiling just knowing that they would get maybe half way through the first volume before the wife suddenly gets "really sleepy" and goes to bed with a shocked disgusted feeling and the husband stays up late and watches both films while pounding back beers and loving every minute of it. it just goes to show film violence in the usa is both loved and hated. and the exec,s in hollywood are subdivided by young people who know what america wants to see and conservative tightwads who still think we want to see martin lawrence dressed up as a fat women.  as a result of this segregation we ended up with kill bill split and chopped.  all i can say is the only way Q.t. is gonna make his fans happy is by adding the 7 extra minutes to the oren anime he talked about and releasing the entire film on 1 glorious bluray disc. i have hope! but the truth is he will have to work out his own distribution to give us what we want. sorry for the run on rant guys my grammar is lacking!

cool! nice links imperial fighter. btw i did mess around with some red in the title trying to get a blood spattered affect. but in the end it just felt too homemade,ish for what i am trying to accomplish. good news guy,s i am here taking a brake from doing the subtitles manually in vegas. it,s hard to tell what they really look like on my 15" screen but i would say its looking awesome!! i am almost halfway through the 1st volume on the subs. its a major job doing it like this but chainsawash was so right about doing it this way. i can sync it all to perfection and keep the subs down in the letterbox and out of the picture. the subs are yellow with arial font. cant post a pic just yet until i render it out then you guys can get a glimpse. but hey! who needs a pic when i will be releasing it in just a few days. the editing is done and its glorious. tough first project for me but worth it all to learn everything i have. i owe a lot to the members at ot.com for sharing their wisdom. KILL BILL THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR is coming soon. and i think you all will be pleased.

well i am new to this but i think what most do is render it out to lagarith. and then encode to mpeg2 with cce or other high quality encoder. but i think you should have been editing with 6 channels of mono wav for the audio and then you render that to an ac3 5.1 track. at least that is what i have been led to believe.you start out by separating the 6 channels before the edit then edit the video and 6 wav files all at the same time. then render the video and audio to separate tracks and let your dvd author mux them. but as i said i am new too and have not gotten to the point of a finished edit yet so get other opinions.

finally! the answer i was looking for dark jedi thankyou! even after i was an ass to you you helped and made my day. that says a lot about your character.i encoded my test clip in cce and chose the settings 16:9 and 3:2 pulldown and it worked the test clip plays in vlc as intended. just one more question. the clip has a small amount of black near the side edges. how do i fix that?

ok i am in cce and have loaded the test clip which is lagarith avi. do i choose "dvd film pulldown" or "dvd film pulldown detection"?

i think i see what you mean dj. so i edit it in vegas and output again as lossles avi then encode it to mpeg2 in cce which is what adds the display flag is that correct?

i am using lagarith avi in vegas and yes it is easy. all i want is to edit my movies in vegas and have them display correctly on a tv. i have passed the point of encoding to lagarith. my source kill bill comes out in lagarith as a 3:2 file. as i understand a flag on the dvd tells the player to display it at 16:9. so how do get from my edit in vegas to a 16:9 dvd like it is supposed to be?

um yeah i do not see any flag settings in vegas or dvda. what i did read was that people use ifo edit to set flags. but here is my problem with that. vegas and dvda use either a 4:3 or a 16:9 template. i dont think there is a template for 3:2 lol so when i render from dvda i have to choose either 4:3 or 16:9. i then opened the ifo with ifo edit to try and set the flag to 16:9 and you guessed it its already 16:9. this is hard i am not even close to understanding how to do this.  if vegas or dvda has no flag settings then how am i supposed to get it to display right? i know there is a solution.

i have tried google on this subject and there is not much help. it just added to my confusion. from what dark jedi said the encoder must add the flag. or am i lost and it is the dvd author that adds the flag? as i understand it a flag and a template are 2 different things. so i have trouble finding any flag settings in vegas or dvd architect. i see 16:9 templates but that just gives me 3:2 in16:9. so what i need to know is which program adds the flags and where are these flag settings? i am going back to poke around in vegas now to try and figure it out but i have not seen those flag settings yet.

 i understand this is a 16:9 film crammed into a 3:2 aspect ratio but i have tried rendering it to 16:9 from vegas and it makes the whole thing 16:9 not just the video part. let me try to state this so its easier to understand. the goal as you know is to have the video look the way it did on the dvd this means black bars on top and bottom but none on the sides. so step by step now. i created my script using gk as for cluttered that is the way gk makes it i have never made a script manually. i then load the avs script to virtualdub and render out to lagarith. at this point the forced film setting in dgindex has made 23.976 fps. the avi is 720x480 3:2. i then load the clip to vegas and have tried various dvd templates they are all 16:9. this is all testing phase now so i am rendering a 2 minute clip from vegas. no matter what 16:9 template i use the render has ended up as a 16:9 dar with a 3:2 picture in it. at what point do the flags come in?  where are these in vegas? i get that the dvd includes a flag to tell the player to display the 3:2 frame in 16:9. i just do not know how to add the flag back to a finished edit.i will be rendering the final edit out of vegas to mpeg2 for authoring with dvd architect. dark jedi said"let the encoder add the flags and the 16:9" does anyone know how to apply these flags? since vegas is my encoder for the edit that must mean vegas must apply the flags right? so i think  thats the only thing i dont understand is the flag setting in vegas.

that does not work either. vdub will not allow for oversizing in the avs script.  well i am stuck until someone can tell me the proper way to do this. the question remains how do i get the 3:2 source to be 16:9 before i edit it?

nope this is not working. i am still confused. as far as letting the dvd author scale it to 16:9 it does not work. when i add the 3:2 clip into vegas and render out to mpg2 on a 16:9 ntsc template its still going to show the black bars. in vegas i can go to project properties there is a setting there called pixel aspect ratio. if i change that to 0.9091(dv ntsc). it almost works but there is still about 1/8 inch of black on the sides. i dont think this is what needs to be done. it should be showing no black on the sides before i put it in vegas. so i will now try ash,s suggestion of 854x480.

yes! that makes since i do believe vegas has the monitor feature as well. i am done with the mpeg2 render now for testing and about to put it into my dvd author to see it all work. update in a little while. thanks ash,moth3r,compmovieguy.

i see ash. this is what i didnt get. i am rendering a clip out of vegas right now. i think i had the wrong template set before. now it all makes since.  but will working with the 3:2 video in vegas cause a problem with the subs since i will be manually adding those in vegas like you said wont it stretch the subs after rendering? i am getting ahead of myself on that i think. so much info my little brain is gonna blow up! lol. this is fun though i like trouble shooting.

i now tried the vob directly in vdub with mpeg2 support bypassing the avs script all together and it still output to 3:2. so moth3r must be right but how do get rid of the black bars? i loaded my test file into vegas which will most likely be what i edit it with and chose the ntsc template made sure to set it to 16:9 and it outputs with the bars so i am lost.

here is the new script

# Created with Gordian Knot
#
# http://gknot.doom9.org

#  PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\decomb.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\KernelDeInt.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\UnDot.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\dgbob.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\Convolution3d.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\FluxSmooth.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\TomsMoComp.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\VSFilter.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\SimpleResize.dll")

#  SOURCE
mpeg2source("\Desktop\vob dgindex attempt\vob 1\VTS_02_1.d2v")

#  TRIM
#trim(startframe,endframe)

#  IVTC
#Telecide(order=1,guide=1).Decimate()
#  or use
#IVTC(44,11,95)
#GreedyHMA(1,0,4,0,0,0,0,0)

#  DEINTERLACING (1)
#FieldDeinterlace()
#FieldDeinterlace(blend=false)
#TomsMoComp(1,5,1)

#  DEINTERLACING (2)
#KernelDeInt(order=1,sharp=true)
#  or maybe
#DGBob(order=1,mode=0)

#  DEINTERLACING (3) - special requests
#GreedyHMA(1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0)
#Telecide()
#SeparateFields()

#  CROPPING
crop(0,0,720,480)

#  SUBTITLES
#VobSub("FileName")

#  RESIZING
LanczosResize(720,480)

#  DENOISING: choose one combination (or none)
Undot()

#  1) little noise
#Temporalsoften(2,3,3,mode=2,scenechange=6)
#mergechroma(blur(1.3))
#FluxSmoothST(5,7)

#  2) medium noise
#Temporalsoften(3,5,5,mode=2,scenechange=10)
#Convolution3d("moviehq")
#FluxSmoothST(7,7)

#  3) heavy noise
#Temporalsoften(4,8,8,mode=2,scenechange=10)
#Convolution3d("movielq")
#FluxSmoothST(10,15)

#  BORDERS
#AddBorders(left,top,right,bottom)

#  COMPRESSIBILITY CHECK
#  !!!!Snip Size now has to be 14 for use in GKnot!
#SelectRangeEvery(280,14)

#  FOOL CCEnc
#empty = BlankClip()
#AudioDub(last,empty)

i tried to take a snapshot in vlc but the picture had cropped the side bars. if i load a clip of the video after using this script into vegas or premier and set the dar to 16:9 it just gives me the same black boarders on the sides but changes the dar from 3:2 to 16:9 so there is a problem with the way the avs script is being made right? i tried to manually adjust the crop setting in the avs script to crop out the side bars but vdub gave error saying cant us crop to increase size. could it be i need to change something in the d2v file before i make the avs file?

ok yeah i realize you guys are right about the field deinterlace and got rid of that. compmovieguy i believe the settings you are speaking of in gordian knot are for the xvid/divx encoding in gordian knot. corrrect me if i am wrong. but i am using gk to create the avs script which i load into vdub to encode to lagarith. so these settings are not changing anything. and moth3r if 3:2 is correct i am confused. most dvd,s i watch have a dar of 16:9. i tried using vegas to set the dar to 16:9. all that did was give me a 16:9 dar of the picture i loaded into vegas with black bars on the sides. i believe the picture needs to be 16:9 to display at 16:9. so those black bars on the sides need to be gone before i load my lagarith into vegas. i am missing something crucial here. nothing in the gk settings has made a difference it is set to 16:9 in the middle column and the crop is turned off. thanks for the continued effort at helping me but i still have black side boarders after trying these steps.

long story short i end up with the picture in a box. black boarder,s on all sides. i am getting somewhere finally though thanks to the good folks here at ot.com.

well first thanks for all the help from everyone. i have gotten to the point of making an avs script to use in virtual dub and output my source to lagarith avi lossless. i am having a problem with the aspect ratio. after output the avi is 3:2  the first step dgindex  shows the status box as it is making the d2v file it says 16:9. then i put it into gordian knot to make the avs file. i see no aspect ratio settings in gk. i open up the avs script in notepad and i see no aspect ratio setting. only crop and resize i tried messing with those and nothing changed. i tried the avs script in tmpgenc and vdub=same results. what am i missing here? why does it output a 3:2 ratio when the source is 16:9?  here i will post the avs script. everything else seems ok the deinterlace is working bringing it to 23.976 progressive where i need it.

# Created with Gordian Knot
#
# http://gknot.doom9.org

#  PLUGINS
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\DGMPGDec\DGDecode.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\decomb.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\KernelDeInt.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\UnDot.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\dgbob.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\Convolution3d.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\FluxSmooth.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\TomsMoComp.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\VSFilter.dll")
#LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~2\GORDIA~1\AviSynthPlugins\SimpleResize.dll")

#  SOURCE 1\VTS_02_1.d2v")

#  TRIM
#trim(startframe,endframe)

#  IVTC
#Telecide(order=1,guide=1).Decimate()
#  or use
#IVTC(44,11,95)
#GreedyHMA(1,0,4,0,0,0,0,0)

#  DEINTERLACING (1)
FieldDeinterlace()
#FieldDeinterlace(blend=false)
#TomsMoComp(1,5,1)

#  DEINTERLACING (2)
#KernelDeInt(order=1,sharp=true)
#  or maybe
#DGBob(order=1,mode=0)

#  DEINTERLACING (3) - special requests
#GreedyHMA(1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0)
#Telecide()
#SeparateFields()

#  CROPPING
#crop(0,0,720,480)

#  SUBTITLES
#VobSub("FileName")

#  RESIZING
#LanczosResize(704,386)

#  DENOISING: choose one combination (or none)
Undot()

#  1) little noise
#Temporalsoften(2,3,3,mode=2,scenechange=6)
#mergechroma(blur(1.3))
#FluxSmoothST(5,7)

#  2) medium noise
#Temporalsoften(3,5,5,mode=2,scenechange=10)
#Convolution3d("moviehq")
#FluxSmoothST(7,7)

#  3) heavy noise
#Temporalsoften(4,8,8,mode=2,scenechange=10)
#Convolution3d("movielq")
#FluxSmoothST(10,15)

#  BORDERS
#AddBorders(left,top,right,bottom)

#  COMPRESSIBILITY CHECK
#  !!!!Snip Size now has to be 14 for use in GKnot!
#SelectRangeEvery(280,14)

#  FOOL CCEnc
#empty = BlankClip()
#AudioDub(last,empty)

i hope someones still here i have got the d2v to work finally. i was making a mistake by using dgindex from another folder other then gordian knot. now that i have reached the point of creating the avs script in gordian knot do i change the deinterlace settings in the "save .avs" window before creating the script or do i change that later?

about the subs ash. the dvd has full english subs which are yellow. but i just want the forced subs. in order to get those i downloaded them from some subtitle site. and that is why they are white. the dvd,s only have full english subs which i believe have a forced flag in them on the us sources. japanese sources do not have that at all. only full english subs. not to mention the vol 2 subs i used were patched to resync them because after ripping them out to srt the subs are off quiet a bit. of course none of that matters if i can do it the right way!

yellow? really i will have to look at my dvd. ahhh ok i know you are right about it all. but maybe the real problem lies with volume 1 since my usa vol 2 dvd rips out at 29.970 interlaced just like the japan source. would it be easier to do a pulldown method on vol 1 to bring it up to 29.970? that is the standard anyway right? i just cant get the vol 2 to work in avs script. but i have not tried that on the us source yet so i will now.

fully embedded subs, 4400 kbps in ripbot. it looks good to me. but now how do i go from mkv to lossless avi? lol this is crazy stuff guys i had no idea what i was getting in to here.