ibleedspeed

i made a lengthy answer for the above question but i came back and deleted it. because the problem is solved!!!! thank god. after replacing my lagarith sources with huffyuv sources my encoders no longer crash! for once i had a suspicion and it was right. lol. i do not know why lagarith was crashing my encoders and never will. but at least the problem is solved. however i do not think i will be able to use cce for the encode because according to the timecode shown in the front it is missing 14 seconds. i have heard of cce chopping seconds off before does anyone know if there is a fix for this? anyhow i can still encode it in tmpg with no problem. all that is left is to adjust the subs to appease the good people of ot.com.lol  seriously though i owe you guys at least good subs that will be up to your approval. so i will experiment and post pics until we all agree its as good as it gets. thankyou ot......fricking awesome.com

well i dont know but something does not work right. because vegas wont even output it to 16:9 when i choose the ntsc dv widescreen template.

right now i would be happy to render it out to mpg from vegas and be done with it. but it will not stretch the frame back out to 16:9. i choose main concept dv ntsc widescreen template 16:9 and it spits out a 3:2 image in 16:9. i dont know why.

well 3 votes to change the subs. ok! i will but none of it matters if i cant encode it.: EDIT the encode problem has been solved. today i will be posting screenshots of various subtitle sizes and colors in this post. i would love for all you guys to vote for the best until we can agree on the final sub look. i will number each screenshot and you guys pick the best..

wait!! i have a question. in vegas i have 4 total video sources. the two complete movie sources and then there is 2 clips. the 2 clips are the old klingon proverb and my new "the whole bloody affair" title.  i used after affects to make the 2 clips and rendered them out as lagarith. but here is my question. in vegas what i did with the 2 clips was i made a new video line over the top of my main video line so that the 2 clips play over the top of the original. just like what you do with the subtitles. when 1 video line is on top of another it plays like a video overlay. the idea in this was to avoid making four cuts to the main video and drop in the clips. i thought about it and now i am not sure if vegas is meant to work this way. could it be that when encoding the video it is screwing it up because it has to encode both the original title and the new title? i know this is confusing the way i am trying to explain this but i dont know how else to word it. instead of cutting out the old title and splicing in the new one i layed the new title over the top of it like a video overlay. was this the wrong way to do it?

nope no mix. i used lagarith from the start. and honestly i think it was a bad choice. because nothing will encode it. at least no descent mpeg2 encoder. i know others use it with no problems but in my case something about my pc does not like lagarith at all. or maybe i made another stupid mistake somewhere. but last night i proved to myself that its nothing to do with my current windows install or anything thats installed on it. i keep the original harddrive that came with my laptop in an almost factory state and use it with acronis true image to reboot my laptop when needed. so i swapped over to it and installed cce in hope that it would encode on a fresh os with no video junk. failed. i have tried cce, tmpg, and hcencoder. and all freeze upon trying to encode the file. i am frustrated as hell. but no retreat as they say so that is why i am starting over by replacing all my lagarith sources with huffyuv. if this does not solve it then i have no clue what went wrong.

imperial fighter: sadly after ash solved where i was making a major mistake the subtitles do not fit in the letterbox. only 1 line of text would fit and there are 2 lines in a lot of the subs so it would only fit half in and out or all the way in the picture. the choice is obvious. though believe me if it were possible i would have put them in the letterbox. ash i wont really know if they are too small until  i view this thing on a tv. but if they are it will be easy to fix so i am not worried about that now. my problem is i cant encode the damn thing.lol.

upon trying to render out my edit to huffyuv sony vegas froze at 78% of the render. i have never had vegas freeze at all before. i believe the problem is lagarith. so now i am going back to where i started and make both sources huffyuv and then replace the lagarith sources in my vegas project with huffyuv using the same filenames so that nothing in the edit changes . i think this is the reason my encoders are freezing i have read online that tmpg does not like lagarith. so this is my only recourse.honestly i wish i had never heard the name lagarith. this codec has been 1 headache after another to work with.

the subs are done man i have put enough work into them. i had used soft shadow and did not like the distortion in vegas. so i went with black outline on yellow subs in size 12. sadly this is as yellow as vegas would allow. anymore and gives error not compatible with ntsc or pal.

seriously! does anyone know whatsup with this i am on windows 7 x64 i have installed the trial of tmpgenc and it freezes halfway through the encoode. has anyone ever had this problem? i had payed for cce  and tried everything to get it to work including talking to support. i ended up giving up on cce and getting a refund. tmpg freezes and continues in a stuck state until i stop it. the half of a file left over plays and looks great. i dont know  wtf is the problem the source files i used i ran through the womble gop error fixer before i converted them to lagarith. they were edited in vegas and rendered out to lagarith. i dont know what else to do exept render it out as huffyuv and try again. if anyone has been through this let me know as i have a finished edit and stuck in the last stage. thanks.

nm black looked way.. better and the font size i am using is 12 in vegas.

without the outline you could hardly read the sub in this scene.

ok since the subs have to go into the picture i had to use an outline to make them contrast against certain scenes. i chose red for this effect but would like an opinion before i proceed to use this outline color for all 200+ subs. and as you can see the clip finally displays in 16:9 thanks to ash for seeing my mistake.

yes it would appear google does not hold an answer for this question either. so it must be there is no standard size. i will render a small clip to judge the best font size. thanks frink.

well i believe chainsaw ash has solved my encoding problem. but the downside is now that i have the correct par my subtitles no longer fit in the letterbox area. the original plan was to keep the subs totally out of the picture. but now it does not work this way. so i must go back and readjust all the subs to fit over the picture. originally i had chosen 16 for the font size. now i feel  this may be too big. so my question is what is the standard font size used in widescreen 16:9 dvd,s because this is what i wish to use. thanks.

ChainsawAsh said:

ibleedspeed said:

5 exported from vegas as lagarith avi 720x480 dar=3:2 par=1.2121

This makes no sense, and is probably your problem.  720x480 will only have a DAR of 3:2 if the pixel aspect ratio is 1.  720x480 with a PAR of 1.2121 is 16:9.  You're confusing the encoder.

so then you are saying i need to export with 1.0 par ash? ok i will try that. my above theory of the black bars becoming part of the dar was wrong.  so maybe this is the answer. thanks again bro. i will have to find a way to repay you for all you have done ash.

i did exactly everything davnes007 said and the black bars do not go away. so this is almost proving my theory above. somewhere along the line the black bars became part of the 720x480 picture. this means the software that did this was gordian knot when i made the avs script. of which i had followed the instructions in adm,s guide to mpeg ac3 editing. this i believe is the straw that broke my edit. i am starting over. the only thing i can hope for is to save the subs in my project and just remove the video and audio sources and perform the edits again hoping that the subs line back up. this really sucks. i should have learned to make the script my self from the start.

i used avspmod to make avs script for hcencoder. failed with an error invalid input convert to yuy12 or something like that. WOW!!!!! the force is not with me on this one guys. it will be hard to remember it all but i am going to try and post step by step what i did and hope you guys can see an error. so here it goes.

1 dgindex with forced film enabled.

2 gordian knot to create an avs script set to 720x480. (it came out as 3:2 dar)

3 loaded avs script into vdub exported as lagarith avi.

4 loaded both video sources and both 6 channel mono wav files into vegas and edited.

5 exported from vegas as lagarith avi 720x480 dar=3:2 par=1.2121

6 loaded to cce and watched all my hard work pan out to frozen encoders.

7 panic, beg for answers try uninstalling reinstalling everything. and then try to export to mpeg2 directly from vegas and still never get it to display at 16:9.

8 realize that i manually subbed 2 complete films for a total of 26 hours of work just on the subs and it looks like it was a complete waste of time because some step prior to editing was done incorrectly.

i dont know man but i am stressing over this because i do not want to do those subs again.

if i exported from vegas as mpeg2 using the ntsc dv widescreen 16:9 template this should add the 16:9 flag for dvd architect right? well it does not work. so to me this says there is something wrong with the lagarith sources i used. could it be that they came out of vdub as a total size of 720x480 including the black frame on all sides? this would explain it. instead of coming out as 720x480 for just the video for some reason i dont understand it included the frame as part of the pixels. so when i add the 16:9 flag it does for sure change it. but it does not know that the black bars are not part of the picture. i am just pulling at strings here but does anyone think this is what happened? if so then my edit is trash and i am back to square 1

well i dont know! but here see this i rendered out of sony vegas as an mpeg2 720x480 16:9 i then loaded it to dvd architect and chose 720x480 16:9 and this is what i got after making a test dvd. ichose 16:9 in every step i possibly could and it does not work.

ok i get it now. but upon trying to encode it both cce and tmpgenc freeze. i dont know why because i did an os reboot right before i edited this to make sure i had a clean system with as little video gear as possible. the only installed programs for video are adobe ae and premier, gordian knot, cinema craft and tmpgenc. but there must be a conflict with something. right now i have 2 choices either learn how to make the .avs script and try hcencoder  or reboot again and install nothing but my encoder. of course this means copying the 53 gb edit over to an external and then copying it back to the new os.  either way i am on the last encoding step and now it decides to be a royal pia.. i did a search on cce freezing and it seems it is a problem for a lot of people.support basically said its a problem with your computer. the usual generic answer. this sucks but i am about to start uninstalling everything on this computer.

hehe yeah! idk ash its all confusing to me bro aspect ratio,pulldown,resolution its a little much to swallow though i find myself reading about it constantly it just does not sink in. however in cce 2:3 or 3:2 pulldown is only selectable when 23.976 is your framerate.if 29.970 is chosen i can  not use 3:2 pulldown. either way it is not stretching the picture back to 16:9 and in 3 encoders i have tried all the settings pertaining to aspect ratio and none seem to change it from 3:2.

i am still not getting this! after loading my finished edit into cce and choosing 16:9 3-2 it still would not stretch it back out. to add to the confusion it worked with the lagarith file i rendered out of vdub for testing. but not with the lagarith file i rendered out of vegas. all i can say is fu@#$%$. the edit is done and im stuck with a 3:2 file. please enlighten me someone.

um hey guys i am stuck again! lol.  i dont know whats going on but i rendered my edit out of vegas in lagarith and then tried to encode to mpeg2 in cce. first off cce locked up. then i looked at the little bit of video it did encode and it is still in 3:2 ar. its weird because i did a test clip in cce a few days ago and set the ar to 16:9 and chose 3:2 pulldown and the clip came out fine. however that clip was from vdub that i had rendered out to lagarith. after running the file through vegas something went wrong. so is there another encoder you guys can suggest? i have downloaded hc encoder but dgindex wont work with the lagarith file to create a d2v to load into hc. i dont know how to make an avs script. so i am s.o.l.  i put it into tmpgenc and chose 16:9 3-2 pulldown and checked the preview and nope its not going back to 16:9. so i guess i still do not get how to bring the 3:2 file back to 16:9. can someone elaborate on how this is done and what the problem may be with cce? thanks again everyone.

thanks cmg. the scripts from gk worked fine but i do need to learn to do my own for future work. good tip.

holy shiii!!! wow i have been so wrapped up in working on my own edit i just saw this. is this still happening? that would be friggin amazing! nbk is one of my all time favorite movies. and i did not know about this workprint. fantastic plan for an epic movie.