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I almost forgot. In the opening text for season 2, episode 11 the text notes:

"Meanwhile, amidst the chaos, Chopper embarks on a personal quest, driven by a desire to reclaim a missing component of his own.

Left behind and determined, he clandestinely boards an imperial cargo ship, forging an unexpected alliance with AP5."

With the way the episode plays out, we do not really find out about Chopper’s personal quest or what this missing component was. That statement confused me as there is no follow-up. I am not sure exactly what recommendations I can make to modify it. Perhaps the personal quest can be driven by a desire to proclaim imperial planetary data or something in that nature. This would flow naturally into the episode as Hera credits Chopper for the planetary coordinates.

Season 2 Notes

E1

32:13 When Ahsoka senses Vader, maybe add a brief flashback right after Vader states that, “the apprentice lives” and we see Ahsoka fainting - this could be interpreted as a dream sequence. It could be an emotional moment they had from the Clone Wars such as Ahsoka informing Anakin she is leaving the Jedi order.

I know flashbacks are not a thing in Star Wars, but this might be the rare situation to put one in to add emotional depth. It could really enhance their meeting later on when Ahsoka tells Vader she will not leave him 'this time.'We establish right away Ahsoka feeling guilty and she is having a vision of the past while unconscious.

E4

13:50 Here we see the inquisitors using the force slowing down the ship from leaving. I would cut this and have the rebels escape without restraint. This is a source of a continuity error in Star Wars. The only other times we see this, as far as I am aware, is with Vader in the Kenobi show, and Ahsoka at the end of the Clone Wars. We otherwise never see Jedi or Sith do this on several ocassions when presented with the opportunity. For example, if Vader has the power to do this, why not do it at the end of Rogue One or several moments stopping the Millennium Falcon in the OT?

Heck, Yoda was slowly able to move Luke’s unmoving ship in ESB, but the inquisitors could stop a ship flying away at full speed?

E5

36:58 Ryder Azadi loudly proclaims Kanan’s a Jedi after Kanan ignites his lightsaber. I think this episode is problematic as is with Leia witnessing a lightsaber and Ezra using the force. I do not think she should potentially hear any mention of Jedi until we get to the OT - she does tells Luke in ROTJ that she does not understand his power. When Leia first meets Kanan and Ezra, she tells them she knows them, but I think this is acceptable as I believe Bail would not specifically tell her those two are Jedi. (I am disregarding what Leia experienced in the Kenobi show).

E6

No changes needed, but notably Hera tells Sabine at the end of the episode she sounds more like a Jedi than a Mandalorian, which sets up what happens in the Ahsoka show. This may be something you want to explore further if looking to connect to the other show.

E10

In the Jedi temple Ahsoka has a vision of Anakin scolding her and he transforms into the suited Vader. She feels guilty. This is why the possible dream flashback in the opening episode could be useful to establish her feelings of guilt in the season opener to have it as a theme the entire season instead of waiting all the way towards the end.

E11

10:49 Kanan and Ezra get into a really childish “common sense” argument over Ezra trying to connect with the spiders. I think their argument here can be removed. It comes across as excessively petty and childish to me.

==> Your work on that season finale has really turned into something special. One of the more powerful and gut wrenching content we get in the Star Wars universe.

That is an excellent idea. The show will be much stronger when there is much more sacrifice and pain. You cannot have a small group of rebels competing against a galactic empire without enduring painful losses. I do not recall how the episode ended, but the show should give you a constant feeling that painful sacrifices are being made.

Unfortunately, I also felt the show would have been much stronger had Ahsoka remained dead following her selfless sacrifice against Vader, and Ezra really did sacrifice himself, but their characters are needed for other shows (Mandalorian and Ahsoka).

Please report that to YouTube. Selling this content is exactly the type of thing that would have these giant corporations going after the miniscule fanediting community.

I have some notes regarding your Season 1 edit. This all relates to how this show had an excessive amount of public mentions of Jedi and the force, which contradicts how in the OT almost everyone effectively is unfamiliar with the Jedi and the force other than using it as a form of wishing good luck when stating, “May the force be with you.”

S1

E1:

• 32:40 mark Kallus says focus fire on Jedi. Does he need to say the word jedi?

• 34:10 Kallus tells Ezra that it is over for the Jedi master and apprentice. Why would he be familiar with this concept? At that point, Ezra was not an apprentice and spoils the end of the episode before they become master and apprentice.

• 34:40 trooper asks Kallus if Kana wasnthe first Jedi he ever seen, and then kicks him off for no reason. Why would this guy have ever seen a Jedi considering it was clones that handled them years before? Also, kicking him off to his death makes Kallus look like a childish idiot.

Publicizing the existence of the Jedi so quickly could instigate rebellion instead of suppressing it like Kallus wants. He should keep it quiet until informing the Grand Inquisitor at the end of the episode. Better to trick Kanan and Ezra that the empire knows nothing about the Jedi identity. Kanan should know if the empire recognizes him as a Jedi he will become public enemy number one. Did he forget the trauma of Order 66?

E3

12:20 troopers discuss if they saw the Jedi master. Maybe just jump to Kanan’s jedi mind trick telling them to get moving without mentioning any Jedi. The troopers look really stupid if they have no idea that they are guarding an empty prison cell. Their dialogue also functions as a strong hint or spoiler that this was a trap using a dead Jedi. Better left unstated and ambiguous. More secretive the better.

E4

23:53 Grand Inquisitor mentions sensing Jedi and padawan in his grasp. This is useless bragging dialogue and better to prevent public proclamations as we saw him place the tracker. This makes him look like an idiot when he later fails.

29:04 Grand Inquisitor mentions sensing movement in the force - effectively sensing the jedi from a really far distance in space. That seems too force sensitive and strong for him when no other force user has this power. Just cut straight to the imperial referencing the tracker location.

E6

5:10 Kallus mentions inquisitor believes too much emphasis on Jedi (again too many people familiar with Jedi). Maybe his only line should be focus on the rebels as a group. Dialogue a bit awkward. Maybe get rid of the scene altogether because it spoils their plan to trick and trap the rebels. Better to let Ezra bring it bring it up the next scene. Same information provided.

9:45 Kallus calls Kanan Jedi knight in front of a crowd and then calls Ezra ‘padawan Jabba’.

17:09 Kallus says blast the Jedi while Kanan slowing down the fan. Do we need the Jedi reference?

E7

3:25 Discussion over Jedi. Tarkin mentions they are all gone. This is something to keep in. This was publicly stated in front of various soldiers. This fits better with OT.

6:20 Tarkin acknowledges Jedi and mentions whispers in the streets about the’alleged’ Jedi. Not sure what to do about this, but again too many people aware of the Jedi if it includes the common residents of Lothal. However, it does imply that this is only rumor at that point.

18:05 Tarkin references Kanan as Jedi in question in front of a group. No need to publicly call him that.

20: Tarkin tells Kanan they will determine if he is the Jedi he is ‘claimed’ to be. Probably fine to keep this in.

28: Ezra reveals Jedi identity to the criminals. I think this is probably okay as the criminal underworld would not quietly spread word of this.

[EDIT]: A few AI generated lines might help here. Potentially indicating the hunt for the Jedi will be more secretive to prevent news spreading of their existence.

I hope some of this helps. Your edit really brought out the strength of the show and characters. While it will never fit perfectly with the OT, a bit more consistency would help. Heck, we all know the entire Star Wars universe is packed with contradictions and inconsistencies everywhere. Good luck completing this project.

This edit is a fascinating what if concept. I have no idea how this would work without things coming across as disjointed, but I at least commend you for trying.

I would go with 1. The changing of directions is much more distracting versus the costume issue.

Toning down the discussion and use of the force with Sabine (and others) is the correct decision. I also agree it helps set her up in the Ahsoka show better, but her force powers in that show need to be toned down as well, which is obviously outside the scope of this edit.

Having this show better connected to rest of the Star Wars universe is a great goal. When I first watched your edit, I was really watching the show for the first time. When I get the chance (no idea when exactly), I will watch again specifically to see how things can connect better with the broader Star Wars universe.

Thanks for the hard work.

Is your ending with Vader’s dismissniveness of Padme going to look and sound similar to this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Li9FA3I5zqw

g00b, it is much appreciated that someone is trying to improve Thrawn’s uneven depiction in the show.

I am not sure if it is feasible, but is it at all possible to avoid or minimize anybody associated with the empire dealing with force users, particularly non-human. One of my biggest issues with the show was the amount of force use by Jedi, animals, and Bendu. In the OT, basically everyone thinks the force is mysterious, but in the show we have constant exposure - including by imperials who appear to have no awareness a short time later.

I think you should remove as much of Bendu’s dialogue as possible while he is functioning as a storm. I think you can also remove Thrawn confronting Bendu afterwards. His disappearing act is excessive and he spoils Thrawn’s later defeat as well.

I want to make this defeat appear from the empire’s vantage point like it came from a random storm as opposed to a force using being.

I think a moderator needs to check whether these profiles requesting a link to this project are spam bots.

I have no doubt that there is strong interest in this, but I noticed an extremely high volume of these requests are coming from brand new accounts with one post all for this version of 4k77 and nothing else on this site. I believe the mods can check the IP address to determine if we have foul play unless VPNs are involved.

I have now watched both episodes of smudger’s Bad Batch edits. I reviewed the first episode on the first page of the thread. My view on the second episode is very similar to the first - a truly great job yet again. Unlike the first season of the Bad Batch where I did watch portions, I came in completely blind to the second season.

Overall, I felt the second season edit had portions where the “highs” were better than the first, but the “lows” were lower. The first season’s edit had more consistent quality throughout. I felt the most lackluster portions were perhaps the first half hour of the episode. I did feel like it was a bit of a slog (I was not impressed by the killer crabs), but the material was necessary exposition setting up the remaining material, which was excellent. In fact, the further I went through the movie, the more locked in I became. The intensity just kept escalating until we get a nice little surprise at the end.

No spoilers, but there is what I considered a shocker in this. I do not want to ruin it for those who did not watch it. I was vaguely aware of a surprise from reading reviews of the second season before watching.

For a first-time ‘casual’ viewer, I was never confused as to what was going on. There could be continuity errors with all the cuts made, but I usually do not pay close attention to those. I also came away impressed with the sprinkling in of the Crosshair story with the rest of the Bad Batch characters rather than keeping then separate like was done in the actual show. It kept all the characters feeling connected to each other.

This is strongly recommended for any Star Wars fan.

100% agree with Phase3. I never really liked the ending we were given with Vader in this movie - too much ambiguity and lack of clarity as to how he survived. This provides clarity.

Imagine watching the OT first where we are told Vader took out all the Jedi and we end with Luke as the last one.

In the end, we only see Vader hunting down . . . Children. The other Jedi are pursued by these inquisitors whom Tarkin seems to have no knowledge about in ANH. We also have a Jedi hiding on every block of every planet in the Star Wars galaxy. This effectively means Vader failed in spectacular fashion.

To answer Jedi122: It is unclear what lines Golden will be used for. Pixel intentionally left that vague to avoid spoilers.

With that said, there will definitely be new lines. The only hint he mentioned was that Vader will give us one of his OT-style dark sarcasm such as, “The emperor is not as forgiving as I am.”

Pixeljoker is using the voice actor Ryan Golden to voice the Vader lines. He definitely does a solid job. For those who want more information, I would suggest joining Pixel’s discord server.

The comparison makes it crystal clear. The shot with the vortex is much more visually pleasing.

The cloud vortex and recolor sound like a great idea, but I think a side-by-side comparison is the best way to know for sure.

Keep up the good work.

Using Ian’s actual voice is the way to go versus the robotic AI. Also, the change to Vader’s voice does somewhat make him sound like a younger Jones as well even if it still a bit off. Then again, I believe the closest you will ever get to the Vader voice from a New Hope is using the voice actor Ryan Golden who does an excellent impression. This is not something that really should be expected as your edit of the voice is more than passable.

P.S. It is much appreciated that you are constantly improving upon your edit of Rebels.

On another matter, in your Tales of the Rebels episode about Caleb, the Bad Batch portion works out really well. However, I personally did not find the comic book story with the smuggler compelling. I think it might be best to just go with the name change being done to hide his identity to hide from Order 66. I know that would make the episode way too short so it could just be left as is for those who want that story.

I watched through this edit. I expected it to be very good as I skimmed through the changelog. The effort level was clearly there. Personally, I watched this specifically looking for a movie that connects the dots with the rest of the Star Wars universe. I was not specifically interested in a story about the Bad Batch. The only Bad Batch content that I watched previously were the opening scene involving Caleb/Kanan and the Ryloth saga to connect with Rebels. (Leaving out the Ryloth portion was the correct decision as it was too far off to be a necessary inclusion, but for those interested I recommend watching Rebels Recut by g00b).

This edit far and above exceeded my expectations. I really believed I watched a highly entertaining, emotionally compelling, and strong character-driven story.

I was very skeptical of the Bad Batch characters as they were portrayed briefly in the Clone Wars. Therefore, leaving the Clone Wars bit out was clearly the correct decision. To my own surprise, I found myself loving all of the characters. They came across wonderfully, warts and all other shenanigans. The edit really put in strong character development.

Considering I have not watched most of the material beforehand, I felt the story flowed very smoothly. Not once did I scratch my head and wonder what was going on despite all the cuts, transitions, and rearranged material. The story really flowed smoothly. From the opening crawl all the way to the ending, I was engaged the whole way through - I never found myself even a bit bored. This was an action-packed, fast paced movie that goes by quickly in spite of the nearly 3 hour length.

The edit without question gave me what I wanted going in. That is, I wanted to see the story of the transition from the clones to professional recruits, and I was not disappointed in the slightest in that regard. I also liked the bit involving the bounty hunters who were recruited by the Kaminoans with competing visions.

The only issue I have, and this is not something an edit can fix, is the whole concept of the inhibitor chip. I was never a big fan of it. I would have always preferred more of the concept of free will, which is why I really loved Crosshair removing the inhibitor chip and choosing to be evil voluntarily, including the massacre of innocent civilians. This is very dark, but it humanizes the clones.

Overall, this is an A+ edit and I think it can enjoyed by people who are not Star Wars fans who simply want a good story. I highly recommend everybody in this forum to take a crack at this one.

I have watched this one as well. Overall, a massive improvement over the original.

• Eliminating the entire clear scene was the correct decision. However, at about the 17:32 mark you left Indiana telling the FBI he survived a nuclear blast. Other than that, the removal was completely smooth. I could not tell that something was missing.

• The opening of the credits look like they were rendered in 3D as I was seeing double on my 2D television.

• All the other edits, including those by 15MaF really made this movie much improved than what it originally was. I also think restoring Mutt as Indy’s son was the correct decision even though the whole father-son relationship was very sloppy in this one compared to what we got in The Last Crusade.

Overall, the edit made this movie much more tolerable. However, there are things that an edit cannot fix about this movie. For example, the motivations by the Soviets over the skull were unclear. Did they want psychic mind control or knowledge? Marion went from despising Indy to madly in love in about 2 seconds, and this recycled their similar love-hate plot from Raiders anyway. The main villain was defeated by aliens because she was overwhelmed with their knowledge?

In the 2D version of this, there is an audio sync issue starting at around the 1:22 mark going through the rest of the movie.

The edits are nice. Solid work here.

First and foremost I want to thank kg1977 on the hard work on this edit. It was truly well done and a very enjoyable experience. This is an edit I strongly recommend for others to enjoy as well.

As I look through the cut list, nearly everything you cut would have been the correct decision regardless of whether you were looking for a family friendly edition or not. The cuts really helped with some of the pacing issues the movie had and minimized portions of the movie where things were over exaggerated, such as the dinner scene with all of the special “food.” It looks like a lot of the poor dialogue that diminished the characters and felt annoying were also removed.

This is a great edit even for some adults. There are many adults who would not like to see a heart ripped out. I may edit that sequence back in for a separate more personal copy if I decide for a more gory version of the movie. However, some of the other more graphic elements you removed really do not need to be reinserted in a more graphic edit. As stated in your cut list, we can still see and hear what is going on. Trimming out an extra few seconds helps the pacing. We really do not need those graphic close ups as the audience can understand what is going on.

The enhanced FX were a very nice tough. These are things the casual viewer (like me) do not typically notice.

The only noticeable issue I saw around the 23:17 mark during the meal with the shaman. There was a quick and awkward cut when we are shown a shocked look by Indiana Jones for a split second that goes by a bit too quickly. This is really only a minor issue and I would not even bother correcting it unless there are more revisions you had in mind. I also know you were working various other edits that should also take priority.

If this edit is any indication, then the rest of your Indiana Jones edits will be a fun watch as well. I was planning to watch them chronologically according to what year they were set so TOD took place before Raiders, which will be up next.

Thank you again and I greatly appreciate the work you and other editors put into this.

I want to thank 21C Peasent for all the hard work on this edit. While not perfect considering the source material, I think this version of the sequels is probably best overall.

We have sequels that keep Rey as a Palpatine or keep her as a Nobody, but it is nice to make her an actual Skywalker. I myself, will be tweaking a few things for personal enjoyment, and I do not say this as an insult. We all have slightly different preferences.

I definitely felt that AI lines worked mostly well. I think a hardcore viewer would notice, but not someone watching casually. I also like how you completely removed the useless side quests pertaining to shutting down the hyperspace tracking and sith wayfinder dagger shenanigans. That was a straightforward way to eliminate useless plot points that had no effect on the outcome of either movie. I think the space battle where the resistance escaped in the pods needed a bit more background, but overall well done.

I think I could hear the chants revealing Snoke’s identity. I would have preferred it to be more clear so I will make it more clear in my own copy. Nonetheless, I think the Snoke insert into the sith throne worked mostly well. The reused dialogue fit in almost seamlessly. It did feel a bit clunky and rushed at times, but it is still much better than what we got with Palpatine. I definitely hope another skilled editor takes the mantle and expands on the strong foundation you put in place.

Another poster referenced that the fan film voices for Vader and Kylo were off. I personally felt the Kylo voice in the mask sounded very identical. The Vader one was more blatant. However, I do not believe the AI available to the public at this stage could replicate the Vader voice from ESB and ROTJ. It would need a voice actor. Either way, as a hallucination and fanedit, I do not believe we need absolute perfection.

Overall, thank you for providing a new and entertaining twist to the story. While not perfect, this is my current preferred version of the sequels that minmizes the damage from the utterly bizarre plots that we were given. Other editors like Hal, Neverar, and others also deserve credit as I could tell elements of their edits were present as you stated.

I would like to jump on the link bandwagon.

I noticed you changed the title to “A Threat from Beyond.” This is a good change and much more specific to the Ahsoka show.