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#176351
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Tartakovsky Directing Dark Crystal Sequel
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Originally posted by: PSYCHO_DAYV
YEAH, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. I NEED YO GO OUT AND BUY LABRYNTH NOW. IT'S ONE OF THOSE MOVIES THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON MY MUST BUY LISTS BUT KEEPS GETTING BUMPED BY OTHER MOVIES.


The basic movie DVD is available in WalMart dump bins for like $5.50, but there's a very nice collector's edition set that came out around $30 or so.

edit: oh yeah... the basic disc is on my 'to sell' list- I almost forgot... perhaps I can hook a brother up!
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#176338
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Info: Where do you draw the line?
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
Greencapt, do you have expressed written permission from the copyright holders to post that picture? If not, you're a criminal. Go rot in jail you vicious thief with all the other terrorists and rapists and murderers and other criminals whose crimes are equal under the law to yours.


You caught me, but then again I'm not the one *hosting* the image- I merely quoted a link to the source (official mind you) where the actual image resides. And plus just because the image is being visually represented here it doesn't mean that you have to view it. Perhaps I only wanted other fellow terrorists and rapists ans murderers to view it.

Also how do you know I'm not already behind bars? Its not like the prison library doesn't have a computer.

But actually I think there's truth to the whole argument. In my humble opinion what we need is to round up all these pirates- not just here but everywhere in the world. Then the governments of the world should take all those pirates and find, I don't know, maybe an island somewhere and ship all those dregs of society off to that island so that they can live together not hurting the outside world and breed little criminal babies. Of course in a worse case scenario they'd probably just end up forming a country or something- imagine that. No strike that idea- nobody civil would ever come out of that situation.
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#176285
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What you're reading now: EU style
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As I suppose the comics count as EU I'll post this here.

I just read 'Star Wars: Purge' and... *hated* it! **possible spoilers below**

The art was great but the story further makes Anakin/Darth look like the clown-shoes that Lucas has made him into. For those who haven't read it, it takes places almost immediately after ROTS and covers what I suppose is one of the first forays Darth has into exterminating Jedi. I suppose the positive is that the author truely captures the PT portrayal of Anakin in the person of Darth- he's whiny, weak and snivels before the Emperor. The worst part I found was that the events of the comic are supposed to be the foundations of Vader's bad-ass reputation based on a false rumor spread about Vader's battle with the Jedi. The Emperor tells whiny Vader how great this'll be for his 'street cred' even though Vader basically whines 'But its not true..."

**greencapt pulls out his own hair** To quote one of the 'great' lines of Vader dialogue from this comic- "Arrrgggaauugghhh!!"
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#176259
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Joss Whedon's Greedo Revenge
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Originally posted by: Harlock415

As far as Battlestar Galactica goes, I just can't bring myself to watch it having very distinct memories of the original. Not that I was in love with the original, but if they intended to make so many drastic changes, why bother calling it Galactica?


I once thought the same way but the bastards hooked me- and hooked me hard!

Seriously, I'm 34 and was a big fan the original BSG growing up. Heck I even walked into my wedding ceremony a couple years back to the original BSG theme (I thought if the bride could walk down the aisle to a song why can't the guys walk in to a rousing space theme?!?!)! When I first heard about the new series and even after attempting to watch the mini-series as it originally aired I thought 'Bah- what crap. Sacrilege!!!' But...

The guys at the DigitalBits, in their review of the mini-series DVD, stressed that upon watching it commercial free and straight through on the DVD that they gained SO much more respect for it. So I took the plunge and bought it. And tried watching... and enjoyed it... and wanted more. Thanks to UK friends and the fact that Sky showed the entire first season before even half had shown on Sci-Fi I was able to watch through the first season... and loved it. Absolutely. Its now really the only TV series I make a point of watching and I've managed to convert several of my similarly minded friends who also objected to the idea.

No one here can ever know for sure what someone else will like, but like 'Firefly' BSG is another show I'd recommend renting on DVD and giving a watch!
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#175680
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ROTS and the Oscars!
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Originally posted by: CO

I think the most cartoonish part is one shot at the beginning during the space battle in ROTS where the clonetrooper are shooting this huge gun out at the spaceships, and it just looks so damn fake. I remember they showed it in one of the ROTS trailers too, and nothing in that sequence feels real.


But where else would he have worked in the 'Wilhelm Scream'?
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#175674
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ROTS and the Oscars!
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Originally posted by: CO

I wasn't positive it costs less to use CGI on the SW movies, I just assumed since it was coming out of Lucas's pocket, I guess he would use the most cost-effective way, but your guess is as good as mine. Let me ask you, does it take less time to use CG rather than using stop motion models?

Depends on the sequence I suppose really. In theory (one of my favorite statements!) CGI gives you more control to make changes but the overall time spent designing, animating and rendering... hmmm- probably is pretty darn close to model building and shooting.

It is sad cause as much as CG looks really good sometimes, my biggest beef is it just looks cartoonish alot of times, and I think 10-20 years from now, those effects won't hold up as well as the OT models & sets do.


The color choices I feel are a lot of what's to blame for the cartoonish feel/look. Colors that are too strong or too unnatural looking colors set off cues in our brains that the images 'aren't real'.
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#175664
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Info: 'Synoptic Star Wars' - Interesting article, read and views
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Found whilst browsing…
 

Synoptic Star Wars
The fan club strikes back.

Telford Work, Westmont College
Books and Culture 8:2 (March/April 2002), 6-7.
 

One by one, the students open up about an adolescent trauma they have in common. One is telling me about her first steps out of the closet.

“There was no way this thing could have lived up to our expectations. After the first time, I even lied to cover up my disappointment. I told my friends, ‘It was great.’ Everyone else was saying the same thing. But I was asking myself, ‘Is there something wrong with me?’ Finally we started asking each other, ‘Were you let down too?’ And it turned out that everyone felt the same way.”

These undergraduates are remembering their first experience of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. Some had camped out for days beforehand. All left the theater with the uneasy feeling that something had gone horribly wrong. Instead of being initiated into the mystical power of the Force, they had endured demythologizing lectures on “Midichlorians” (a kind of spiritual mitochondria). Instead of a fumbling but earnest Luke Skywalker, they had met an irritatingly childish Anakin Skywalker. Instead of the comic relief of Han Solo and Chewbacca, they had met the dreadful wackiness of an amphibious donkey named Jar Jar Binks. Instead of being swept away to a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, they felt like they had just been taken in a minivan to a children’s pizza joint.

Cut to Santa Clarita, California, where a Blockbuster customer, watching Episode I at home, had a thought worthy of Stanley Fish: Is there a film in this film? He pulled out his PowerMac, started up Final Cut Pro, loaded in the video, and got to work. When he finished, the film (retitled Star Wars Episode I.I: The Phantom Edit) was twenty minutes shorter and ten years more mature. Jar Jar’s follies were cut ruthlessly. Anakin’s outbursts were trimmed, turning him into a quieter, more thoughtful youngster. Midichlorians were marginal. There was less patronizing and confusing talk about trade federations and senatorial politics. Scenes were tighter. The distracting Jules Verne-like undersea travel sequence was gone. And the film was much better.

New opening text, receding into infinity as before, tells the story:

Anticipating the arrival of the newest Star Wars film, some fans, like myself, were extremely disappointed with the final product.

Being someone of the “George Lucas Generation,” I have re-edited a standard VHS version of “The Phantom Menace” into what I believe is a much stronger film by relieving the viewer of as much story redundancy, pointless Anakin actions and dialog, and Jar Jar Binks as possible.

I created this version to bring new hope to a large group of Star Wars fans that felt unsatisfied by the seemingly misguided theatrical release of “The Phantom Menace.”

To Mr. Lucas and those that I may offend with this re-edit, I am sorry

Soon rumors were circulating through Star Wars circles of an underground “corrector’s edition” that was truer to the Star Wars tradition than the commercial version.

Movies have long been cropped for video and edited for television. Ted Turner gained infamy in the eighties for colorizing MGM classics. Even “fan edits” are nothing new. People have been excerpting films since the sixteen-millimeter era. Fritz Lang’s “Metropolis” is available in color, with a rock-opera soundtrack. However, “The Phantom Edit” is more than just a fan edit. On behalf of the “George Lucas Generation,” the Phantom Editor is asserting the community’s authority over its own canon. He is claiming that he is better than George Lucas at telling the story.

A long time ago in a country far, far away, similar currents surged through a turbulent young community. There another anonymous disciple appropriated the work of others on behalf of needy readers, and fueled a critical fire that rages today more than ever. Visualize the opening words of Luke scrolling into a starry sky:

Anticipating the arrival of a narrative of the events fulfilled among us, some disciples, like myself, were extremely disappointed with the final product.

Being a member of the “apostolic generation,” I have re-edited a standard scroll into what I believe is a much stronger gospel by relieving the reader of as much needlessly complicated staging, awkward Greek, and disconcerting claims about Jesus as possible.

Having followed these things closely for some time, I created this version to bring new hope to people like you, Theophilus, who felt unsatisfied by the seemingly misguided distribution of “The Gospel of Jesus Christ.” To Mark and those I may offend with this re-edit, you had it coming.

Like modern biblical scholars, Star Wars interpreters tend to cluster into several camps over Star Wars’ synoptic problem. One camp vests authority in the author, George Lucas. It affirms the copyright laws that protect intellectual property. It worries that fan edits are altering details that may be significant for episodes 2 and 3. In an article on TheForce.Net, Chris Knight demands that if editors “start tinkering with Anakin’s life journey then I seriously gotta question whether these guys understand Star Wars at all.” Elsewhere Knight defends Anakin’s virginal conception and the pseudoscience of Midichlorians, and even makes a plausible argument for the infuriating Jar Jar.

Purists like Knight would find allies among the biblical critics who have rediscovered the literary genius of Mark, fueling its remarkable comeback after centuries in Matthew’s shadow. When one sees how Matthew and Luke have softened Mark’s hard edges and obscured many of its most compelling features, one can sympathize with George Lucas. “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46) instead of “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me” (Mark 15:34)? Maybe Lucas knows what he’s doing after all.

Another camp vests authority in the community of serious fans. It thinks that the offensive material in “The Phantom Menace” doesn’t fit the authentic Star Wars vision (which it sees embodied in the original episodes IV-VI). It has become cynical about a series that has drifted into kiddie marketing and lost its focus. So it considers the Magisterium morally right to exercise eminent domain, and vindicated when an anonymous vigilante produces an edition at home that fans themselves find superior. As one of my undergraduate viewers puts it, “If Lucas can’t do it, let someone do it who does know Star Wars.”

These radicals are the Star Wars tradition’s true conservatives. The Phantom Editor would find allies among the centuries of faithful readers who preferred Matthew to Mark in its homilies, Luke to Mark in its Church year, and the Longer Ending to Mark’s abrupt original. A Jesus who can do very few miracles in his own country (Mark 6:5)? That doesn’t sound like the Jesus we know (Matt. 13:58).

A third, anarchist camp refuses to vest authority anywhere. It blames Lucas for using his exclusive ownership of the story to destabilize rather than protect his own texts. Several years ago Lucas issued new editions of episodes IV-VI. These were cluttered with digitally introduced creatures, bigger explosions, and new scenes. As fans watched helplessly, he effectively colorized his own films. If Lucas had improved them in the process, his community might be more forgiving. But the gimmicks crowded out the original charm. Jar Jar, clown-diving down the slippery slope, added insult to injury. And Lucas has promised to add more scenes into episodes IV-VI that tie them more firmly into I-III. Someday the USC film school may have to offer courses in source, form, redaction, and text criticism.

But he who lives by the splice will die by the splice. Star Wars fans speak of “canonical” texts, but Lucas’ “original autographs” have not yet been written. No one, not even Lucas, knows the canon’s eschatological boundaries. In response, fan editors mine the existing text to construct new ones. Suddenly The Phantom Menace looks more like a draft of Mark than a first edition, and The Phantom Edit looks more like the Jesus Seminar than Luke. Both groups of editors fabricate for faithfulness, and succeed only when they persuade. The deconstructionist camp would find an ally in the student whose word to me was, “It’s just a movie.” Shall we color that soliloquy red, pink, gray, or black?

When I ask my students whether the fluidity of these authorized and unauthorized editions is confusing them about where the real Star Wars story lies, one shrugs off my concern: “Look at all the editions of the Bible!” The belly laughs all around speak volumes. These postmodern evangelicals are sailing through a sea of biblical fan edits without sinking into anarchism. They understand the mixed motives behind the translations, critical editions, and niche marketed Bibles that all claim to tell the Church’s sacred story. Knowing that gospel writers modified Mark doesn’t send them on frantic quests for the historicist Jesus. They are neither anchored by original autographs nor drowning in chaotic texts. Yet to them Jesus is not “just a movie.” Biblical pluriformity has not weakened their appreciation of the story’s ultimate integrity. In fact, it may have strengthened it. Only an eternal story could shine so brightly through so many centuries of spin.

What happens now? Cut back to last summer, as new edits continued to appear: An “Episode I.II” that digitally garbles Jar Jar’s lines and subtitles them with pithy words of wisdom. A Spanish-language version that rearranges the chronology of battle scenes and changes dialogue. The cat is out of the bag. Next stop, the Gospel of Thomas.

As things got out of hand, the formerly tolerant LucasFilm sent out the word that it would prosecute copyright offenders. This drove the edits off e-Bay and back underground, and won a published apology from the Phantom Editor himself. (He turns out to be Mike Nichols, director of “Wit” and other big budget pictures.) But it did not win over all the fans.

Some have argued that Lucas should buy The Phantom Edit and canonize it. Folk rocker Suzanne Vega reinvigorated her career in the nineties when she endorsed a British twosome’s unauthorized sampling of her a cappella Tom’s Diner. Later Vega even released Tom’s Album, an entire album of originally unauthorized fan edits. My undergraduates favor such an approach. They respect the authority of both Lucas and the community he made. In The Phantom Edit they see a film that reflects Lucas’ own tradition at its best.

The apostolic churches of the Roman Empire, unencumbered by modern copyright laws and notions of intellectual property, followed that logic when, from among the many authorized and unauthorized fan edits of Jesus’ biography, they authorized a set of four reliable gospels. We can thank Mark for writing a gospel so compelling and irritating that it provoked at least two equally canonical responses (three if you also read John as an answer to Mark). We can thank his appropriators for rising to the challenge. We can thank the Church that honored Jesus’ memory by refusing to make us choose between them. And we can thank the Spirit who guided them all.

Telford Work is assistant professor of religious studies at Westmont College. He is the author of Living and Active: Scripture in the Economy of Salvation (Eerdmans).
 

http://www.westmont.edu/~work/articles/synopticstarwars.html

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#175650
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Tartakovsky Directing Dark Crystal Sequel
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From ComingSoon.Net:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=12991

The Jim Henson Co. has set Genndy Tartakovsky to direct Power of the Dark Crystal, a sequel to 1982 fantasy film The Dark Crystal, reports Variety.

Tartakovsky, who created the animated series hits Samurai Jack, Dexter's Laboratory and Star Wars: Clone Wars, will involve his Orphanage Animation Studios to take the lead on the CG animation elements for the puppet-driven film.

Henson will secure a domestic distributor by the time the film begins production in late summer. Annette Duffy and David Odell wrote the script.

Set hundreds of years after the first film, the sequel follows a mysterious girl made of fire who steals a shard of the crystal in hopes of reigniting the dying sun.


Cool! I'm a fan of the original and it sounds like this is in good hands!
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#175648
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ROTS and the Oscars!
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Originally posted by: CO

Now monetarily, I know it is cheaper to use CG, and it would be too expensive to shoot the PT with models and sets, but in saving money they sacrificed in the long term the quality of the shot looking more realistic. The OT really holds its worth by just looking more realistic than the PT, just my opinion.


I agree entirely about the cartoony look of the CGI, but is it REALLY cheaper to use? If you haven't already, watch the 'scene in a minute' docu about part of the Mustaphar duel on the ROTS DVD. Its been discussed in another thread but the sheer number of people involved just to create that short sequence in CGI was ridiculous (and not all of it was- they filmed live volcano elements, still had to do some miniatures to get the lava flow effects exactly correct, etc.). And I have to believe that ALL those people cost a LOT of money. The same script in a more budget constricted production or in the hands of a more adaptive and/or creative filmmaker would have found ways to convey the same ideas without the obsessive attention to details that go by in a matter of seconds. Think of it like watching a play on stage- possibly detailed but sometimes minimal sets but the audience is forced into suspension of disbelief by skilled and powerful actors and script. That's why I still feel the most powerful scene in the PT was the intercut images of Anakin and Padme each pondering their fates with or without each other. The actors and the music told the story- not words or CGI (despite the obligatory Coruscant busy skies in the background).

So yeah I can understand no nominations for visual effects for ROTS. You might as well start handing out Oscars to XBox games. Much in the same way that films like 'Chicken Little' weren't nominated for visual effects. Nor should they have been really.