Originally posted by: Mikes-Atomic-DustbinDo you know what happend in those 20 odd years between episodes 3 & 4 then?
Serious question is there a book the tells the story of vader from his birth up untill we meet him at the start of ANH cause' if there is id sure like to get my hands on a copy of that, but if there isnt then how can you say he never learnt how to retain his identity in the force, for all we know his master could have taught him that?
Per Lucas' own script for ROTS:
222 INT. POLIS MASSA-OBSERVATION DOME-NIGHT
On the isolated asteroid of Polis Massa, YODA meditates.
YODA: Failed to stop the Sith Lord, I have. Still much to learn, there is ...
QUI -GON: (V.O.) Patience. You will have time. I did not. When I became one with the Force I made a great discovery. With my training, you will be able to merge with the Force at will. Your physical self will fade away, but you will still retain your consciousness. You will become more powerful than any Sith.
YODA: Eternal consciousness.
QUI-GON: (V.O.) The ability to defy oblivion can be achieved, but only for oneself. It was accomplished by a Shaman of the Whills. It is a state acquired through compassion, not greed.
YODA: . . . to become one with the Force, and influence still have . . . A power greater than all, it is.
QUI-GON: (V.O.) You will learn to let go of everything. No attachment, no thought of self. No physical self.
YODA: A great Jedi Master, you have become, Qui-Gon Jinn. Your apprentice I gratefully become.
YODA thinks about this for a minute, then BAIL ORGANA enters the room and breaks his meditation.
BAIL ORGANA: Excuse me, Master Yoda. Obi-Wan Kenobi has made contact.
This would indicate that A) Not every Jedi knew the 'trick' yet B) There's no way in HELL that Anakin would have been able to learn this power prior to the moment of his death (though I can *stretch* logic and think that Ben and Yoda might have mystically had time to teach Anakin's spirit in the few hours between his death and them all showing up at the party and C) that one can infer NOTHING along the lines of the 'way you were when you died as a Jedi/Hayden' bullsh*t.
What actually made it on screen answers absolutely nothing though which leaves the door open for whatever Lucas excuse-du-jour is made up.
Originally posted by: Nanner Split We shouldn't have to turn to books and other resources to find out stuff that we should've learned in the movie itself.
