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DuracellEnergizer said:

Frankly, I wish the powers-that-be would just leave it up to the individual fans to decide for themselves which versions of the films are canon. Forcing "official" versions on everyone is just elitist bullshit that serves only to alienate fans.

 I agree with you. I think that, especially with the prequels and SE's, just let people make up their own mind. I can't blame Disney though for wanting to retcon the EU since it gives them a lot more freedom with making their movies. I just make up my own canon and backstories, and ignore the ones I don't like; honestly, I wouldn't have anything bad to say about the prequels or SE's if I just had the OUT available in HD. All of my hate for the SE came from the fact that I couldn't have the OUT on anything but 20 year old vhs tapes.

I like the old emperor scene better, but I can understand why Lucas would want to put Ian McDiarmid in there for ESB special edition. If he wouldn't have ruined the dialogue in the dvd then I'd have been able to accept it, but the new dialogue was poor so the change ended up being completely ruined

To me, the real versions will always be canon, and the SE's will always be the versions George Lucas shat on. If the only way to get HD releases of the original trilogy is to say the SE is canon, then that's fine with me. I'll watch the OUT and be happy, and I'll never say anything about the SE again; and people who want the SE can watch that, and everyone can happily watch Star Wars again, with both versions happily coexisting on the same disc.

GlastoEls said:

But if they DO include the unaltered films - what would be the canon version?

 I don't think they'll comment on the canon version. It doesn't even matter really, who cares if it's canon whether or not the wolf man was in the cantina or not. As long as they include the unaltered films in high quality, I'll be happy

Fang Zei said:

The o-neg, in its current conformation, is still 85 to 90 percent of the OOT. With today's digital technology it would be relatively straightforward to use a new scan as a starting point and then just scan in the missing pieces and put it all together.

 Well, hopefully that's what they'd do. Especially if you're right about there being an OOT release before Ep. VII, and I think you probably are since it's the most likely time for another home video release, and I doubt they'd not include the unaltered films

If this scan was originally for a 3D re-release, then it's certain that GL would've added all his Special Edition crap. So, when Disney inherited this project, would it have been possible (or convenient) for them to turn the project around for an OUT restoration? Or is that an unlikely thing for them to do?  

pittrek said:

Seriously guys, HOW could this have ANYTHING to do with the 3D release? Were not the changes planned to the 3D releases put into the 2011 BD? And wasn't this scan done in 2012?

 I've just assumed it was for 3D because they wanted a new scan for the movies being in cinemas since the old Lowry work wasn't going to cut it, and it started before the Disney deal, so it was a Lucas approved project, and it happened around the time of the whole 3D things. Again, we really don't know anything, this scan could be for a release of the unadulterated trilogy for all we know; this thread is just speculation

moviefreakedmind said:

Fang Zei said:

As for the OUT, I'll be surprised if not shocked if they don't put it out on blu-ray by the end of next year. If they look as good as the archival versions of Blade Runner I'll be happy. Just don't botch them like Paramount did with most of the Trek films. Now that was the blu-ray equivalent of the GOUT.

 Honestly, I'd be surprised if they ever release Star Wars again WITHOUT including the OUT. I must stress that I can't say whether or not it will be a satisfactory restoration, but Disney knows that releasing the movies without the OUT is just alienating some of their potential customers, and they're smarter than that. 

you may be right. I think Disney knows that there is a significant percentage of their customers that will not buy an OT release if it doesn't have the OUT. I do think they're smart enough to know the best (maybe even the only) way to get people to double dip and re-buy SW on blu ray is to include the OOT.

One of the biggest problems with the prequels in my opinion was how Lucas handled the Clone Wars. Now, I've never read a Star Wars book so this could've been explained decades ago, but I always thought of the Clone Wars as just some event from the distant past that was shrouded in mystery, and nobody was really too familiar with it except for people who were involved, and they were all in their 70's by the time ANH started. I liked how mysterious it was and it kind of added mythology within the movie or whatever. In the prequels they made all the stormtroopers clones and it killed all the tension because it was just clones vs robots. In Star Wars battles were intense because you knew when someone like Porkins got killed that a Rebel pilot died trying to fight for freedom. In the prequels it's just like, oh another clone died... Plus all the politics behind it were just boring and completely confusing. What did you all imagine the clone wars being when you first saw Star Wars? 

Fang Zei said:

Right, but also I was thinking about how '97 was the last time we got any kind of re-release coinciding with an anniversary. They don't seem to care about that kind of thing anymore when it comes to re-releases of the actual movies.

 That's true, there was no 30th anniversary thing either. Plus, I bet the only reason we got 20th anniversary stuff was because GL wanted to use it as a gimmick to sell the SE. Hopefully we'll get the OUT before Episode VII, by 2015 we'll be overdo for an SW re-release.  Seriously I can't remember the last time we went more than 4 or 5 years without a release of the OT, it was even more often when leading up to the PT. We got the OT released in '95, then the SE in '97, and then another SE in 2000 with the only difference being that Episode IV, V, and VI were added to the box art.

Yes Star Trek was very half-assed. And I think you're right about the lead up to Episode VII, and I doubt Disney would muck it up like the GOUT. They'll at least make it look acceptable in HD. I always said that if George ever released the OUT again, it would've been the 40th anniversary/20th anniversary of the SE. I sometimes forget he's not in charge anymore

I think Star Wars (77) alone would make at least double what TPM made if it were released in 3D. Phantom Menace is considered a joke even amongst people who don't care about Star Wars, at least amongst everyone I know. I stand by what I thought earlier though; which is that next time the OT is released on Blu ray/DVD (40th anniversary?) it will include the OUT, even if it is just a GOUT type thing (although I doubt it would be anywhere near as much of a half-assed after thought as the GOUT was).

ObiWanKennerobi said:

I wonder if fans will be super pissed when 20k comes out and all that's available is 4k OT.

 I don't know. Honestly, I won't be because I have no desire to ever buy a better tv again, so if the OOT looks good on my current TV then i'm fine

I think as far as the RMW scan goes, I think it was a G. Lucas approved project for the 3D release. I guess there's hope that maybe Disney inherited this and turned things around for an OUT release but we really just have to wait and see, I guess. I hope it's an OUT release, but I think my desire for the OT to be sold in stores again is so strong that it clouds my judgement.

I could be totally wrong here (I don't know all the facts), but some people online seem to blow the whole Fox owning distribution rights thing a bit out of proportion. I highly doubt that they're going to just not release the original movies again until 2020, and why would Fox be such a huge stumbling block all of a sudden? Before Disney bought them they were just the distributor, and they got their percentage of the profits and everyone was happy (except the fans of course, but remember I'm just talking about the corporations). I'm not saying they won't present any problem at all, but I just don't see Fox refusing to allow Star Wars to ever be sold on DVD/Blu Ray again as long as they own it. In fact, I'd imagine they'd WANT the movies to be released a couple times so they can make money before they eventually lose the rights.

Darth Id said:

I can't see why they wouldn't release the OUT eventually.

Unfortunately, I fear impossibility is a real...possibility.

Especially since unlike many directors interested in preserving their legacy, Georgie is likely to be uncooperative in any earnest restoration/recreation project.

 You're absolutely right that George won't help them with it, but he also can't stop them from doing it either. If Disney wants to do something, they're going to do it. I'm not overly hopeful about seeing the OUT in blu ray, but I do think it is going to happen eventually. Honestly, I'd be surprised if we don't see some kind of release of the OUT whenever the next home video release of Star Wars is, even if it is just a half-assed bonus feature like the GOUT (although I doubt Disney would risk pissing us off like that). 

I imagined a 40th Anniversary set as well. I can't see why they wouldn't release the OUT eventually. I think Disney releasing the real movies is a lot more likely than it was for George to release the GOUT. Seriously, as shitty as the GOUT was I'm still shocked he allowed it to happen. Disney has no reason to oppose a release of the OUT, and the demand for it hasn't really gone down at all, so we'll see. As for Fox, I don't see them as a problem. I bet they'll want to milk the movies as much as possible before 2020, so why would they oppose getting a % of sales?

Fang Zei said:

I just remembered, we first got a glimpse of the cgi Yoda replacement of CPY in the supplemental material for the RotS dvd and it was another six years before we saw that version of TPM officially released.

From what these RMW resumés are saying, this 4k master could've been done years ago.

All I'm saying is that stranger things have indeed happened.

 I think earlier in the thread someone shared a link to a resume that indicated this RMW project started back in late 2010

I forgot about that digital release. When I first heard about that I assumed it would be the special editions. I still think they would be the SE's but who knows. I just think that the OUT would be released on disc. I hope they are at least; I don't like paying full price just for a digital download, but I guess a digital release of the OOT would be better than nothing at all

moviefreakedmind said:

Would an OUT blu ray be something they would announce at Comic con?

 I almost forgot about that. Most of the people who would go to comic con would get a real kick out of hearing that the OUT was on it's way. I guess if the OUT is on Disney's agenda then they could announce it then

DuracellEnergizer said:

^Of course, that scene fails to work on any level without any of the Biggs scenes on Tatooine accompanying it.

 Oh I agree, I never understood why they didn't restore both and include them. I don't really care about the SE's, I never watch them anymore. I just thought it was kind of cool to see another scene with those actors back in 1997, that was before I realized that these versions were replacing the real movies. I just thought it was, well, a Special Edition; something that would be released once just to celebrate the anniversary, so at the time I wasn't angry about anything yet. 

darklordoftech said:

Why not use it in place of the existing Blu-Ray versions in future SE releases?

 I suppose they will. I just kind of assumed when they bought Lucasfilm that they wouldn't want to keep releasing the SE without the OUT. Probably just getting my hopes too high, but I figured they'd want to get the original films out there so fans would stop being angry with the OT's lack of availability. 

Harmy said:

We do know, that those aren't the original sabers in that video, which means, that it isn't the '97SE either and apart from color, they look an awful lot like the 2004SE sabers. But since evidence points towards this new transfer having been done in 2012, which would co-inside with the time the 3D releases were still part of the plan, Disney may have nothing to do with it and since Lucas was still running things, they probably would have bothered to add all the other changes for a Lucas-sanctioned 3D re-release.

 Thank you. So Disney will probably just kind of abandon this restoration since there isn't a plan for Star Wars 3D anymore, unless they release it before Episode VII. It's disappointing this won't be for an OUT release, I got my hopes up again dammit, you'd think after nearly 20 years I'd have learned not to have high expectations when it comes to Star Wars

Sorry if I'm repeating things a bit, but I want to get my facts straight on this. So, if this is a new scan of the negative (now the '97 versions) that means no changes from '04 and '11 are included, that means RMW would have to re-add all those future changes? Is this something Disney would bother doing? My main question is, is this new restoration likely to be for an OUT release, why or why not? I've heard a lot of people who think it is for an OT release, and a lot of people who just think it's something left over from when Lucas was in charge.

monkeyjb1988 said:

msycamore said:

ComputerGeek said:

If this release does happen, I don't mind if they keep some of the enhanced visuals (Cloud City, new shots in the Battle of Yavin, etc) but remove the story-related changes (Jabba in the original movie, Greedo shooting first, Hayden Christensen in ROTJ).

just a note, if Jedi Rocks isn't removed, the entire thing would almost not be worth buying...

Yeah, maybe they should release a "do it yourself kit" so that everyone can finally watch their tailor made version of the film.

 That made me smile. Probably be the best way to release the films other than the OOT. 

It'd be great if this 4K scan means the OOT. I'll keep hope :)

 If this 4k project from RMW actually is a new scan, then they would have to have gone back and scanned the original negative (which may or may not be the SE), right?