gizzy2000

thedaner said:

Sorry if I'm repeating news but I noticed that the SW 4K restoration has been pulled from the Reliance Projects page.

 I think it got pulled down after several sites started commenting on it and speculating about it. I wonder what that was all about. Maybe the 4k restoration is for a future release that they don't want anyone to know about yet, (fingers crossed for OUT, but not too sure if that's likely), or maybe they saw that a lot of people thought it was for the OUT and it isn't, so they were asked to take it down so people don't get their hopes up for something they aren't getting. Still though, i'm guessing it was taken down at the request of Lucasfilm since it wouldn't make sense for RMW to not want it on their projects list anymore, I mean, restoring Star Wars is a big thing to have on your company's resume.

Baronlando said:

They're just showing off the fancy mixing room for some overseas journalist. The Jedi speeder bike scene is probably one of their go-to demo scenes.

 did they say this in an announcement?

If Kathleen Kennedy is there supervising then that's a big thing. I doubt she'd show up for a completely pointless interview for "first timers" or whatever. Then again I don't know all the facts, so I shouldn't make assumptions

perhaps, but what interview would require them to do sound work on Return of the Jedi? and if they weren't doing work on ROTJ anyway then why would they be interviewed about that specifically? Idk, it just doesn't make much sense to me

I don't buy that what's going on in this photo is not for any kind of release. Why bring in cameras and professionals to clearly work on something for no reason what-so-ever? I'm also not even sure his tweet denouncing any future release is in English, it didn't really make much sense.

Did he mean that it was all a show for people touring the studio? If that's the case then that really makes no sense

I just highly doubt they'll be re-releasing the SE with the promise of, "NEW SOUND!" or "BETTER COLORS!". I just don't think that's enough to get people to double dip. I mean, a lot of people (even those less passionate of SW than us) are getting tired of not having the OUT. There were a lot of criticisms of the blu ray when it came out, not just on sites like this either but on real mainstream news sites too.

Could be more work for the rumored digital release in November.

dan76 said:

With Disney now owning Lucasfilm does that now mean they own all original footage? Can they re cut the original films? Theoretically you would think so, but it wouldn't surprise me that Lucas has clauses within the contract so they can't do that.

Again, I hope he's just let it all go, but being it's his life's work I doubt it.

Edit: don't know why this damn text is so small...

 Well, yes Disney does own Lucasfilm in it's entirety, so I'm 99.99% positive that they have every right legally to re cut and release the unaltered films, but I suppose there is a chance that they agreed to never release the OUT again but I find that incredibly unlikely for multiple reasons. 

1. Disney plans on milking Star Wars for decades to come, and they don't want to be beholden to George's ever changing nondescript "true vision", especially given how unpopular the Special Editions are. And for the amount of money they paid, I doubt Lucas held onto anything.

2. Even if the unaltered films aren't a huge gold mine, I doubt Disney would agree to buy Star Wars without getting something as basic as the original films for some of the most successful movies in human history.

3. I've heard that apparently Lucas considered walking away from the deal just because Disney wanted to purchase EVERYTHING Lucasfilm related, obviously he didn't walk away though; I must stress that this 3rd point isn't any confirmed information but it's just stuff I've read that seems believable enough, but definitely take it with a grain of salt.

unamochilla2 said:

How does this person know they were restored?  Did they say so or did they just "look" restored? 

 He said they were restored, but unless they announced it or someone who knew told him, he'd have no way of knowing they were actually restored or not.

Ryan McAvoy said:

CO said:

dan76 said:

I'm not sure about that. I could well imagine part of the deal involved not releasing the OUT. Lucas is fanatical about this, he's spent a lot of time and energy trying to erase the original versions.

I guess it depends how much he still cares. Hopefully he has just let go.

 Disney paid 4 billion to Lucas, so I am 99.9% sure they can do whatever they want with the franchise at this point. 

They could have paid Lucas 4 Trillion dollars, but if he doesn't own the rights the ball is still in Fox's court.

 Well, yes Fox could prevent Disney from releasing any of the existing movies (except for I think the Clone Wars movie? but who really cares about that), but why would Fox block Lucasfilm now just because it's owned by Disney? From my understanding, Fox is just in control of distribution rights; they don't own anything other than that.

unamochilla2 said:

Fang Zei said:

It's Comic Con.

They were probably just showing it just to have something to show on the big projectors in the background while everyone partied it up on the convention floor.

 That makes more sense than having an event that "debuts" these remastered trailers.

 From the sounds of the guy's tweet though he made it seem like they were restored trailers. Would they restore trailers just to have in the background?

I think if we had a little more context it would make more sense.

It could also be a way to promote the new digital release, but if that's the case then why didn't they show the prequels since those are supposedly going to be released digitally too

Well, playing the Original Trilogy original trailers implies a release of the OT (SE or not). Especially since they were so focused on Rebels.

Fang Zei said:

He has to mean restored trailers. We would've definitely heard something within seconds if was an announcement of a restored original trilogy.

I know, I was referring to the trailers. I meant, could restoring the trailers be a clue that they're going to release the OUT? 

doubleofive said:

http://twitter.com/oshanruiz/status/494128216349487104

He says they were restored original trailers. Interesting.

 Maybe this could be a clue! Actually it is pretty interesting, I was under the impression that comic con was supposed to focus on Rebels this year, and not the movies.

dan76 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

My point was that Lucas isn't in control anymore. Lucas owned Lucasfilm, which produced the movies, and Disney bought Lucasfilm. Yes Disney is still beholden to previous contracts and deals, i.e. Fox distribution rights, but I doubt Disney has any requirement to put up with George's "true vision" nonsense

I'm not sure about that. I could well imagine part of the deal involved not releasing the OUT. Lucas is fanatical about this, he's spent a lot of time and energy trying to erase the original versions.

I guess it depends how much he still cares. Hopefully he has just let go.

From what I've read though (and again that's mostly just speculation), Disney made sure to get everything from Lucas. Disney bought Lucasfilm, and Star Wars is owned by Lucasfilm. I have a hard time believing Disney would give a man 4 billion dollars and then continue to allow him to make business decisions for them. George is also a businessman, and I would hope he isn't naive enough to think you can sell someone something as valuable as Star Wars and then tell them what to do with it after you don't own it anymore. Basically, I just doubt Disney would sign a contract that specifically prevented them from releasing something of what would soon be their own property

DarthShackleford said:

The only changes I would keep: 

SW 

• cell block corridor 
• tractor beam language 
• "Close the blast doors" 
• Biggs scene 

ESB

• Emperor's new face 

ROTJ 

• victory celebration 

I'm really not opposed to a fully specialized edition being officially available, but only if it's done correctly and the OUT is given equal or greater attention. Neither of those are the case, currently.

 I agree; I wouldn't have nearly as big a problem with the SE if we had the OUT available. I like the Biggs scene too but I think it'd work better if they restored and included the original Tosche Station scene at the beginning as well.

Harmy said:

gizzy2000 said:

Harmy said:

Well, all they need as a selling point for the next release is what they already have in the restoration that is the topic of this thread - Star Wars Trilogy Mastered in 4K - I recently re-bought Spider Man on BD, because Sony's Mastered in 4K version is far superior, and if I already had Men in Black, I'd re-buy those in the Mastered in 4K edition as well (check out the links to see why) and many people did so and so they will for Star Wars, especially if they make a point about the colors being fixed as well, since that is a well known issue among even the SE fans and they may not care so much but I'm sure they'd still jump at the opportunity to buy it with fixxed collars.

 Would that be as popular of a gimmick as an OOT blu ray release? I mean, you can fix the colors in the SE but I just don't think that's enough to justify a re-release. I mean, you have to advertise a re-release and give people a reason to buy what they already own, and I just don't see them saying, "the colors are much better than the first time," maybe they would but I just don't see it. I'd take an OOT release with bad colors than an SE with perfect colors, and I doubt i'm the only one. As for the 4K scan, I'm no expert on the subject, and I'm not going to pretend to know what they have planned for that now that 3D has been canceled, or postponed indefinitely. Could they use it for an OUT release, or is that out of the question?

 Well, like I said, it was popular enough of a gimmick for Spider Man, Men In Black, Ghostbusters and many others. Really check out those links to see the difference that a new 4K master can make to a movie - and considering the shoddiness of the current Star Wars BD master, I'm sure the 4K re-master would make at least as much of a difference it does for Spider Man, if not as much as Men In Black. And I'm not saying Disne, won't release the OOT, but it may not be needed as aselling point for the nearest release. In fact, it would make financial sense for them to release this new re-master of the SE first and then make us tripple dipp with the OOT a couple of years later.

That is true, and the new MIB and Spidey blu rays do look great, but I think releasing the OOT is important before Episode VII in order to show everyone that they aren't George Lucas. I just think that people were getting to a point where they were willing to put up with George not giving us the OOT because he was so weird and crazy (I do think he may have released it eventually but that's besides the point now), but I doubt people will be as forgiving with Disney because they truly have no reason not to make it available. As for a 4K scan being a selling point, it works with MIB and Spiderman because it's an upgrade to the movie. A 4K release of just the SE would be an upgrade to a sub-par version of the movie. I don't know that a higher quality SE release is as big of a selling point for people as a release of the OOT would be. I just think it'd be a poor move for Disney to release the SE without the real versions for the next release because they'll come off as total assholes, and they really need to regain the consumers' trust and let them know they aren't going to be as insulting as George was when it comes to Star Wars

Harmy said:

Well, all they need as a selling point for the next release is what they already have in the restoration that is the topic of this thread - Star Wars Trilogy Mastered in 4K - I recently re-bought Spider Man on BD, because Sony's Mastered in 4K version is far superior, and if I already had Men in Black, I'd re-buy those in the Mastered in 4K edition as well (check out the links to see why) and many people did so and so they will for Star Wars, especially if they make a point about the colors being fixed as well, since that is a well known issue among even the SE fans and they may not care so much but I'm sure they'd still jump at the opportunity to buy it with fixxed collars.

 Would that be as popular of a gimmick as an OOT blu ray release? I mean, you can fix the colors in the SE but I just don't think that's enough to justify a re-release. I mean, you have to advertise a re-release and give people a reason to buy what they already own, and I just don't see them saying, "the colors are much better than the first time," maybe they would but I just don't see it. I'd take an OOT release with bad colors than an SE with perfect colors, and I doubt i'm the only one. As for the 4K scan, I'm no expert on the subject, and I'm not going to pretend to know what they have planned for that now that 3D has been canceled, or postponed indefinitely. Could they use it for an OUT release, or is that out of the question?

moviefreakedmind said:

Something I think we can all agree will happen for certain, is that Disney WILL re-release the OT (whether unaltered or SE) in the lead up to episode VII. Even if they don't release them again before EVII they will definitely release them on home video eventually (the fox distribution rights are nothing new), and when that happens they want their new release to sell well, and including the OUT will do that. It's not a big investment from what I've heard to restore the OUT, so there's no way they'll lose money on it, or even make significantly less, plus it gives them an excuse to sell the Trilogy again. Every release of SW since the first DVD release has been criticized for not including the OUT, so I really can't see Disney just ignoring the OUT and pretending it doesn't exist. Also, there is a definite market out there for it, just look at how excited people on the internet got when the bleeding cool rumor surfaced a couple months back. Just because not everyone complains about the SE's all the time doesn't mean they don't want the OOT again. Remember, if they do release the SE's again without including the OUT they'll have to give an answer as to why not, and they really don't have an answer since there's no artistic reason for holding the original films back. That's just my take on the whole thing.

EDIT: Also, there was enough demand that even George allowed the release of the GOUT (as pathetic as it was), and if George of all people will allow a release of the OUT, then Disney sure as hell will

 I agree 100%, Disney will continue to release the Original Trilogy, and the best way to get people to re-buy the films is to include extra things not available on previous releases, and what's the biggest feature we haven't gotten yet? The original movies! I seem to remember Michael Kaminski (Secret History of Star Wars) saying that restoring the entire unaltered trilogy shouldn't cost more than a million dollars, and that's a very small fraction of potential sales. 

Beatleboy99 said:

I don't George Lucas has to worry about anything being too expensive.

 Of course not, and neither does Disney

Fang Zei said:

To a pretty big chunk of the audience, the ones above a certain age anyway, there's the true OOT and then there's the SE.

 I think there's also a lot of people who have never seen the OOT who would love to watch it. Star Wars fans are pretty notorious for buying the same movies over and over again, and if LFL released the OOT then there'd actually be a reason to re-buy. Someone who says that there's no market for the OOT just doesn't want to get their hopes up (which I can understand after all these years). Also, whenever George said it was going to cost too much or it would be too difficult, he was just lying because he was tired of people being angry at the SE. I'd go so far as to say that a proper restoration and well advertised release of the OUT could be one of the best-selling Star Wars home video releases ever

Baronlando said:

GlastoEls said:

Great point above - I also would feel much more generous to the prequels if I had a quality OUT Blu-Ray.

 Yeah me too. But I really can't see Disney releasing any version of their own making. anything they put out will be either 2011, or '97, or original (ideally), or maybe some final cut that George signed off on.

 I don't think they'll do a final George approved version, at least not before Episode VII because even the biggest SE apologists don't approve of things like Vader saying NOOO or the extra rock in front of R2, and by 2011 it had gotten to the point where that was all Lucas was interested in changing. I think it'd be a huge PR mistake for Disney to release ANY future OT release without at least including an acceptable quality OUT. There's been more outcry from the fans with each SE release, so much so that there's even a critically acclaimed documentary (People vs. G.L.) about how SW fans have gotten the short end of the stick, Disney has to know about stuff like that. As for how the 4K restoration relates to an OUT release I really have no idea, but hopefully the real OT is right around the corner

I think what Disney should do, is release the OOT in all it's unaltered glory in HD; and go into the SE and keep the changes like updated Death Star battle, celebration in Jedi, ect. ect. but change back the really stupid things no one likes such as Han shooting second, Vader saying "NOOOOOOOO", rock in front of R2, and just get rid of the really really ridiculous things and release it that way. I doubt they'd do that but I think that would be the best way of selling the SE. I do agree with moviefreakedmind (that's a cool username by the way) that the SE's will probably be included, but won't be the main selling point of the hopefully inevitable OUT release and more of a bonus feature instead. As for Disney hiding the SE in a basement and never letting anyone see it again, I don't think we have to worry about that, this isn't Lucas we're dealing with.

GlastoEls said:

Great point above - I also would feel much more generous to the prequels if I had a quality OUT Blu-Ray.

 Exactly, sometimes when I would complain about specific SE changes to people they'd say, "well, then don't watch it, just watch the originals" (I don't watch the SE anymore thanks to people like Harmy & dark_jedi) but that's the thing, the reason I complained about the SE's was because I was stuck with them and COULDN'T watch a decent quality copy of the real OT. I guess it's mostly in the past now, but hopefully Disney will release the OUT. The "Despecialized Editions" are great but IDK how to put them on a disc, and I'd love to have a BD release of the OUT with all the bonus features that came with the SE blu ray release. The special features in the '11 box set looked interesting, but I swore back in '04 that i'd never buy the SE again, and no amount of bonus features is worth purchasing anything SE related, at least not for me.