georgec

Nooo...NOOOOOOOOO!!!

This guy's not too happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfqIZoFftLg&feature=player_embedded

walking_carpet said:

when obi-wan said "you were right about one thing master...the negotiations were short"

no one in the theatre even chuckled.

overall,  its hard to pinpoint exact lines but it was irritating to constantly here panaka talk about how something wouldn't work or he doesn't agree  and also the number of times qui-gon tell someone to 'trust my judgment'.  im sure in reality it only occured a few times each, but it seems like thats what these characters were doing most of the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7thq-84O7A&feature=related

The worst scene in TPM was the one that took place after the title crawl until right before the end credits.

The main theories I understand to pertain to George's commitment to changing the movies and not releasing the UOT are:

1. His vision is changing constantly.

2. Changing the movies renews the copyright.

3. He doesn't owe as many royalties to other producers/writers/editors/etc. if he only releases the "Special Editions."

4. Bitterness over his divorce led him to change the movies and diminish Marcia's presence in them.

I don't know how these all fit together, but it's a combination of things. It seems that during the build of Skywalker Ranch George's priorities changed. That affected his marriage, and it's all presumption after that.

fishmanlee said:

From Star Wars to Jedi is on the Blu, correct? is it in 5.1? or is it a straight rip/pull from the VHS/laserdisc?

That doc is not on the BD set, but it's on youtube somewhere...

Oh, I don't want to know about Marcia and George's personal lives.

I'm just interested in the creative process behind SW. Zombie84 has covered much of it in his book/site, but it would be interesting to get all those people in a room and hear them reminisce about their time on the SW trilogy.

I'd love to see a table sit-down discussion among Marcia, Kurtz, Kasdan, Kazanjian, and the other producers/writers/editors on the OT that were so crucial to its success.

Though I wonder if they felt strongly enough about making the behind the scenes truths known they would speak out more. Maybe they've just moved on. Last year Kurtz talked about his departure and the disagreement over ROTJ's storyline. I'd love to hear more about that, not because I desire fuel for the Lucas hate, but it's simply really interesting.

I figured the deleted scenes wouldn't last long on youtube. There's some interesting stuff there, no doubt. I liked Jerjerrod's conflict and the Luke/Leia scene in Empire before Han walks in. I'm not turning this into a prequel hate thread, but those OT deleted scenes really portray character relationships and struggles much better than the PT does. We see those expressions in their faces and nuances that tell us so much about what the characters are thinking, like Vader turning against the Emperor which suffers from the "Nooo!"

I figure it's only a matter of time before some fans edit in the deleted scenes to the OT to make unofficial "extended cuts."

CWBorne said:

I think Palpatine (specifically him and not Sidious) is the only one who's lines don't make me cringe because at least he's consistent and McDiarmid manages to find his way around the crappy dialogue. 

For the most part I agree with you but this scene was awful and hilarious at the same time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9KVIfpNG4w

For every fan that boycotts there are probably two or three younger fans who are just coming around to SW. If we look at the bigger picture the UOT purists like ourselves are probably a dying breed. The blu-ray changes brought many of us out of the woodwork and maybe some other people converted to the cause, but compared to the newer generations it's nothing.

Lucas has a very secure fanbase that doesn't care about the change for a long time to come.

theprequelsrule said:

Jair Crawford said:

- While I'm on the acting... I don't know what it was but Natalie Portman sure had a rough time with this film. She looked confused in like, every single scene she was in. lol

Natalie Portman was fucking awful in all the prequels. Some of the shittiest acting I've ever seen. They had to bring in an acting coach for her in Ep III.

I have never doubted that she took the part only for the fame it would bring her. There were a lot of rumours that she was difficult to work with on "set".

Everybody seems disinterested, especially Portman and Jackson. They're both very talented and accomplished, but it's as though they both read the dialogue and said, "Ahh, I'll just wing it."

Christensen tries but again the dialogue is awful. McGregor gives the best performance in the prequels.

MJPollard said:

TV's Frink said:

georgec said:

MJPollard said:

I take back what I said before. Bill Hunt isn't a whore. Harry Knowles is a whore, an "it's Star Wars on Blu-ray!" whore. But then, I expected nothing less from the juvenile frat boys at Ain't It Cool News.

Of course I was right about virtually every reviewer out there using that false argument. And I was attacked for pointing this out...

Oh for Ric Olie's sake, let it go man!

I was going to say something similar to him, but in the end it was easier just to plonk him. I have no time to waste on people who are so thin-skinned that they get their pwecious widdle fee-fees hurt so easily.

My skin is as thick as that of a Wookie!

Seriously, though, it seems that most people are pretty happy with the blu-rays from what I can tell, and not just because of the "SW on blu" thing. There's no doubt that the image is sharp and better than anything before, but some of us have been disappointed in the use of the Lowry transfers which had those color problems. It also appears that what people love most about the set is the new sound mix.

I wonder how much of an impact all the pre-order cancellations and boycotts had?

All we can hope for now is that the 3D conversions are abandoned and Lucas works on restoring the UOT for an eventual BD release.

Did a proper method of protecting one's likeness exist at the time? Before I flame on Lucas for cutting people out of their piece of the pie, it seems that nobody could have predicted the merchandising empire that became SW.

MJPollard said:

I take back what I said before. Bill Hunt isn't a whore. Harry Knowles is a whore, an "it's Star Wars on Blu-ray!" whore. But then, I expected nothing less from the juvenile frat boys at Ain't It Cool News.

Of course I was right about virtually every reviewer out there using that false argument. And I was attacked for pointing this out...

"...and they blow you up. Boom!"

Adium said:

So sad to see so many people breaking down and buying this garbage.

"I'm such a hypocrite. Just bought the set"

"I couldn't take it any longer. IT'S STAR WARS ON BLU RAY."

 

That's funny, I said that same thing and received negative responses for that "tired" phrase, even though people are saying it and ironically validating the satire. You say it and people agree. Guess this newb has a lot to learn...

You know, maybe Bill Hunt gets too much flack around the web. I liked the comments in his review and thought he was pretty balanced. I also enjoyed this part at the end and felt it was a rational proposal.

Bill Hunt said:

I want to add one last comment here, because it just needs saying: Given the current state of the digital masters, this Blu-ray set is really the best these films can ever look from now on... unless Lucas takes steps ASAP to correct that. Frankly, he should just forget this idea of converting the Star Wars films to 3D, and use the money he would have spent doing that to instead rebuild the digital masters of the Episodes IV-VI and Episode I from the best available negative elements or film sources in higher resolution - at least 4K. It can absolutely be done - film restoration expert Robert Harris has worked miracles with far less that original camera negative sources on such films as The Godfather. Surely the Episode I effects can be re-rendered at a higher resolution if need be. And once the original films have been preserved at a higher resolution, THEN the 3D process might actually be worthwhile. Not to mention which, the films will be better preserved for the future. As for Episodes II and III, it's true that Lucas is stuck with the fact that he shot them natively on video at just HD resolution. But again, the visual effects could all be re-rendered at a higher resolution. And given the advances of computer imaging software, I have little doubt that there will eventually be a software process that allows you to take a lower resolution source, do a deep evaluation/analysis on the image, upconvert it to higher resolution and "estimate and render" the missing detail to create something better. That capability might be 5 years away, it might be 15, but I suspect it will happen one day. In the meantime, the films shot on actual film should be re-scanned and preserved at higher resolution as soon as possible. And when and if that's done, why not also preserve the films in their original theatrical form too, if only out of respect for all those talented artists and technicians who helped Lucas make the films in the first place? Just a thought.

What's the overlap on deleted scenes from the prequel dvds and those on the blu-rays? Is all the old stuff included with additional new deleted scenes/animatics?

doubleofive said:

Tim Pelan from Culture Deluxe pointed out to Jambe on Twitter that all of the Stormtroopers are left-handed.

Wow.

Maybe that's why their aim stinks.

Bingowings said:

Oldees and newbies alike, fisticuffs are off topic and are much more amusing over there.

Disagree by all means but if you can't be fun about it please take your aggression to another place.

That's fine - I just don't think it's healthy for posters to lash out and assume that all "newbs" have the same viewpoint. I spoke out against any discussion of Lucas passing away in that other thread, so projecting anger from those other posts at me in here is a bit counterproductive. My posts are far from radical.

dark_jedi said:

georgec said:

Here come the attacks and cussing again. And saying people should get in line or GTFO - sounds familiar....

No one is saying "get in line" but some of the crap that spews from your fingers & others is pretty damn dumb to say the least.

Please elaborate what crap I've spewed. Honestly, I don't understand your hate for my posting. You're basing that off my joke about "SW on blu ray" (because I'm the only person who's said that) and my joke about this place being like blu-ray.com or TF.N.

No, your "use" of the blu-rays doesn't bother me. I asked in order to change the subject in a polite way. Nice assumption and effort to cause argument, though!

Here come the attacks and cussing again. And saying people should get in line or GTFO - sounds familiar....

I'll just get a grip, then.

Dark Jedi, did you use the blu-rays yet? How are they?

Lestrade said:

Disappointing that Bill Hunt gave the movie a big shrug and a, "Well, it's Star Wars on Blu-Ray" like everyone else. From everything we've seen, read and heard, this release sounds objectively off-putting (SE changes or no). I can't imagine anything other than Star Wars being given such a lazy pass, considering all the quality inconsistencies and missing bits this set seems to have.

That phrase is as tired as the complaints about how tired it is. ;)

It's funny how people buying the set become defensive when others mention boycotting or just not buying it. It's like they're conflicted and have to rationalize the purchase to themselves by attacking other people. Shit, this place is starting to feel like blu-ray.com or TF.N.

Lucas really has the SW fans by the nuts. They will always cave in. Nobody who buys this blu-ray has a right to complain about anything Lucas does in the future (or has done in the past).

To be honest I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Everyone has an opinion about this release. Some will buy, others won't. Those who don't buy it have different reasons. You assume that those boycotting are trying to change Lucas' mind - what if they're simply satisfied with what they have? I didn't say people will be in the store handing out stickers and flyers, and I'm not sure where you gathered that idea.

You confuse "keyboard courage" with people simply having different opinions. I think that's allowed. I don't feel like splitting hairs on "enjoy" vs. "use" the discs. Is that worth arguing about? I've indicated that everyone has the right to buy/enjoy/use/etc. the discs. But you keep asking me if I have a problem...It seems you're angry that I have an opinion about this blu-ray release that differs from yours. Maybe the problem isn't mine...?

Oh, and don't worry, I have many alternatives (VHS, LD, certain someone's rips, LE 2006 dvds...). I haven't actually sat down and watched these movies in a few years, but having physical copies is good insurance.

Lastly, I've moved on from hoping for a UOT release a long time ago. Again, saying I should accept reality is a reach. What's unrealistic about someone saying, "I have enough versions of SW - I don't need this one." I am not the only person to express this viewpoint on this site and am confused as to why you're taking issue with me.

I've enjoyed posting on here and don't want to have the same divisive conversations that plague other sites. Aside from my "tired" joke with which you took issue, I've responded to you rationally and politely. Let's just keep it amicable.