georgec

Mr. Bungle said:

Wexter said:

kenkraly2007 said:

georgec said:

We still talking about kenkraly?

Guy is either a troll, a child, or a mentally disturbed individual. Just read his posts - incoherent, repetitive, and unsubstantial.

He told everyone about an email from LFL saying all color issues were corrected. Nobody else received such an email. I called him out back then and later again when the images/videos began to leak.

Ignore him.

Georgec I am not all those things you just called me so why don't you just take back everything you said.

What are you then? A person? A cup? A lasersword? A colar? All those things? I'm dying to know.

 "Are you an angel?"

He's a person and his name is kenkraly2007!

J/k. Ken, I'm sure you're a good lad in person, but your posting history and behavior don't do you any good. Nor does the fake LFL e-mail that I'm surprised so many people took as truth.

Best to just wipe your slate clean and forget about. As Frink would say, "For Ric Olie's sake."

We still talking about kenkraly?

Guy is either a troll, a child, or a mentally disturbed individual. Just read his posts - incoherent, repetitive, and unsubstantial.

He told everyone about an email from LFL saying all color issues were corrected. Nobody else received such an email. I called him out back then and later again when the images/videos began to leak.

Ignore him.

canofhumdingers said:

I'm not entirely sure that's true... If it's on the National Film Registry I think they might be allowed to duplicate/preserve it without the copyright owner's permission. But don't quote me on that as I'm not 100% positive.

Of course, if they can legally preserve/duplicate it, they still wouldn't be allowed to make copies for distribution.

I do know for certain that they are legally allowed to screen anything in their collection publicly, copyright or not, so long as it's screened for free at the LoC's theater facilities.

 

I can see it now. A newly organized movement begins to preserve and release the UOT. The internet is abuzz for months. Thousands of SW fans head to DC to attend a planned screening of SW and ESB in their unaltered glory by the LoC. People like Gary Kurtz, Paul Hirsch, and Lawrence Kasdan attend the screening to show their support. The event sends ripples throughout the film community. It's a huge hit. Pressure on LFL to properly restore and release the UOT increases. After months and maybe a year or more, LFL consents and the fans get what they've wanted for so long. The excitement and happiness mirror the celebration on Endor at the end of ROTJ. The internet arguments dwindle. Everyone is happy with his/her preferred versions of SW. New generations experience the OT as their ancestors did in the 70s and 80s. Lucas admits he was wrong to change the movies repeatedly. Over time the special editions become a blip in the rich history of SW. The UOT lives on in all its glory!

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The UOT was dead; its body, with a broken neck, swung gently from side to side beneath the timbers of Skywalker Ranch.

Side note - found this today at HBP (that place is a treasure trove). Looks to be a very interesting read with various interviews and coverage from pre- to post-production.

This kid's reaction to Vader being Luke's pop is hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbV5hn_ET0U

althor1138 said:

I hope this isn't a repost but this is how I pretty much feel so I thought I'd post it here.

Here is the clip.

It's Patton Oswalt doing standup and pondering what he would do with a time machine.

Haha I just revisited that yesterday. Really funny - love Patton Oswalt's humor.

You have to give Lucas credit for sticking to his guns amidst all the demand from SW fans, critics, and even the NFR/LoC. That man has conviction.

TK-949 said:

I heard the rumor, that when the complete Box is sold out, it's gone. No re-release. Just the trilogy-boxsets will be re-released. Can anyone approve this?

Lucas has made that threat before.

1995 - "final home video release"

1997 - "SE only out in theaters"

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Geez, that's like saying if Leonardo DaVinci didn't paint the Mona Lisa, somebody else would have.  You can't really believe this, can you?

No, but someone else would have painted an equally admired piece of work to stand the test of time. Or, in the absence of one piece of art another would naturally take its place in terms of importance and reverence.

If SW didn't exist people wouldn't be able to miss it. Something else would be as widely loved in its place.

Harmy said:

Nobody is arguing that he did, man ;-)

What I'm saying is that without those franchises created specifically by Lucas we'd probably have equally entertaining films perhaps comparable in subject matter.

Another way to think of it is if Edison didn't invent the light bulb, someone else probably would have done so later on. :)

In an alternate reality without SW and Indiana Jones, we wouldn't know about their lack of existence and hence be unable to compare life without them to life with them.

Just saying...

Still, Lucas had some great ideas in his prime. He envisioned two of the most entertaining blockbuster franchises in movie history. However, he alone didn't make those movies successful.

The funny thing about Lucas is that when he talks about SW he seems bored. It's just a money making machine to him. He's made a fortune off taking sole credit for the work of many people. He's a greedy egomaniac. The quote in my signature encapsulates his arrogance and disconnect from reality. He sees himself as a tortured artist...

Lucas became interested in revisiting SW in the early 90s. I think a big part of this was the growing popularity with EU stuff, especially the Zahn trilogy. It's my unfounded opinion that Lucas wanted to re-establish himself as the de facto head honcho of Star Wars, but of course by that point he had cut ties with the other creative minds that made the OT so amazing. He set out to write and produce the new films on his own, and we all know how that turned out...

darth_ender said:

What's this whole argument about?  I don't even know what's going on.

"It's so dense. In every post there's so much going on..."

none said:

georgec wrote: I wonder what Katie Lucas' twitter looks like right now...

You should start a thread for your talk about her account. She is very far removed from this topic and will mostly likely never speak about it.

 

It's just a joke. :)

I don't think anyone should talk to her on Twitter. She doesn't make these decisions and attacking her doesn't help anybody.

msycamore said:

As Toht once said, "The man is nefarious."

This really proves what a fucking asshole this man has become. 

I wonder if life will imitate art. Right now Lucas is like Vader at his lowest point.

I believe there is still good in him. He can be turned back to the good side.

We wait...and hope...

Not surprising but saddening nonetheless.

George, why?

"Because fuck you, that's why."

We have the preservations, despecialized, revisited, etc. versions plus the 2006 LD transfers. I guess that'll have to be good enough.

I wonder what Katie Lucas' twitter looks like right now...

Luke and Leia weren't meant to be siblings - that was forced into the script. I believe Gary Kurtz gave an interview last year explaining some of the reasons he left during pre-production:

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/08/12/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/

Here's another one where Kurtz details the original nine episode arc:

http://www.theforce.net/latestnews/story/gary_kurtz_reveals_original_plans_for_episodes_19_80270.asp

Not turning this into a bash Lucas thread. While ROTJ has faults and the criticism in the OP is valid, it's still a very good movie worthy of the OT and vastly superior to the awful prequels.

I owned:

Zahn Trilogy

Empire's End

Tales of the Jedi - Golden Age of the Sith

Vader's Quest

Phantom Menace

and a few other random ones I'm forgetting

Blu-ray.com has either some of the most impressive trolls or the most stupid people I've ever met on the internet.

It's best to take those posts with a lump of salt.

Happy birthday Col. Christopher Blair!

Huh? There was another doc that Within a Minute replaced?

Lots of great lists in this thread. I can't say if SW is in my top ten anymore, but it's close.

The more movies I watch the less of a top list I have, but I'll say the one constant movie at the top is Blade Runner.

xhonzi said:

georgec said:

I'm genuinely confused. Is the OP saying secondhand purchases do or don't create profit for Lucas? I guess the other posts suggest that xhonzi advocates not buying the BR at all if one does not agree with its quality/content.

Not buying from amazon or similar retailers means they might order fewer copies in the future to match lowered demand. Buying from ebay might work differently, though. I'm not sure what the "end result" is but each item ultimately was purchased from LFL and 20th Century Fox.

My point was that buying it used still participates in the market forces for the item.  So buying it used isn't some magic bullet that keeps the sale from making LFL some money.  (I think I used the magic bullet analogy incorrectly)

Even clearer: Buying it used will still give LFL some money.

Sure, buying it used will probably result in  less effect... so if you have to buy them... I guess buy them used.  But time and purchase cost are probably more critical factors than new/used.  i.e. it's probably better to buy them new on sale later than buying them used at full price now.

Yea, that's what I thought you meant, and I agree 100%.

Someone, somewhere, had to buy a new copy and that profits LFL. Buying it used isn't "sticking it to the man."

When I saw this thread title, my first thought was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMvadAFqLQ#t=02m13s

Honestly, it's just one awful mix of bad writing, poor directing, and uninteresting characters.

I'm genuinely confused. Is the OP saying secondhand purchases do or don't create profit for Lucas? I guess the other posts suggest that xhonzi advocates not buying the BR at all if one does not agree with its quality/content.

Not buying from amazon or similar retailers means they might order fewer copies in the future to match lowered demand. Buying from ebay might work differently, though. I'm not sure what the "end result" is but each item ultimately was purchased from LFL and 20th Century Fox.