generalfrevious

We have been suffering ever since Gary Kurtz was kicked out of the franchise; without him there can never be a good Star Wars movie.

If only we were allowed to own the original versions, and if the SE was just a short-lived anomaly, I wouldn’t be acting so unhinged.

Disney has chosen to turn a blind eye to this cultural atrocity by refusing to release the originals when they easily could.

I do not want to accept a reality where in 2037 there is still no OUT legally available, and the entire population accepts the SE as the version that has always existed.

These movies are too important to be given second-class status and be destroyed like the Bamiyan statues.

Possessed said:

Yes and that’s definitely on the same level as the slaughter of innocent people.

I was only referring specifically to ISIS’s destruction of cultural artifacts, and nothing else.

ISIS is definitely worse than Lucasfilm by light-years, obviously, but both are guilty of cultural cleansing.

Possessed said:

generalfrevious said:

ISIS and the Taliban did destroy cultural artifacts when they were in power. Remember that Buddha in Afghanistan that was blown up? Or the countless Mesopotamian artifacts that have been destroyed in the last three years alone?

My comment about cultural destruction isn’t exactly far-fetched then.

You make me embarrassed to like star wars. Equating ISIS and lucasfilm? Fuck you you miserable piece of shit.

It’s still the only movie trilogy where the original versions are actively suppressed. Now the SE has ruled longer than the OUT has, and entire generations have been CUT OFF from their cultural heritage. Lucas was sadistic in forcing his version down our throats, and Disney has actively said they will do nothing to restore the OUT to its rightful place. Decades from now the SE will still remain as the only version people watch.

ISIS and the Taliban did destroy cultural artifacts when they were in power. Remember that Buddha in Afghanistan that was blown up? Or the countless Mesopotamian artifacts that have been destroyed in the last three years alone?

My comment about cultural destruction isn’t exactly far-fetched then.

Amano said:

I still cannot believe that Kennedy buries the original cut of Star Wars while celebrating the 40th anniversary of said cut.

That would be a sad anniversary (with the passing of the jubilarian), indeed.

(My first post btw, I am a very long time lurker in these forums and just found the motivation to register. Living in Austria, Europe. A big hello to everybody.)

That’s Lucasfilm for you: fucking over their benefactors since 1997. They’re no different from ISIS or the Taliban in terms of cultural destruction. Hence the reason I’m angry all the time.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Yeah, no. Frevious has burned one too many bridges with his asinine nonsense over the years for that to ever happen.

It’s all Lucas’s fault. He decided to destroy a film negative that was already falling apart, and then erase history for an entire generation of people and more. As long as the SE stays the official version for decades to come, I’m going to stay angry.

Disco_Lobot said:

You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.

Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also

The OT are not just mere films; they have become far more than that in just a mere four hours of content. So for Lucas to change even ONE thing is the worst act of cultural barbarism in film history. The OT should be kept pure, EXACTLY as it was on the day each film was released. There should be no SE whatsoever; but George’s decision to make it the ONLY version you can watch, why that’s beyond unforgivable. For Disney to continue this shameful reign of terror makes them even guiltier of perpetuating one of the worst cultural erasures of the last 25 years. They are lost films now, I can’t accept a world where the original versions can’t legally exist.

Mike O said:

danny_boy said:

Mike O said:

Fang Zei said:

Mike O said:

JawsTDS said:

Fang Zei said:

Cthulhunicron said:

What exactly does it mean for the negative to be disassembled?

The negative has been conformed to the SE since 1997. George decided to cut the changes directly into the negative because, as far as he was concerned, the SE was the official version of the movie now.

We recently got confirmation from the relevant person at Fox that the pieces of the negative replaced for the SE were indeed put into storage and not discarded.

I think I remember reading on zombie’s website that the negative need not be disassembled to reconstruct the unaltered version. Because a modern restoration would be done digitally anyway, they would simply need to take a scan of the o-neg as it is now, scan in the pieces that got replaced, and rebuild everything in the digital realm.

For further context, the negative is the first-generation source for the footage used in the final cut. They are also without any color timing as that comes later in the process, and unlike a 35mm print, which is a few generations down from the negative, there is only one layer of grain to deal with (this is not the case with SW as there is optical compositing).*

*if I’ve made any mistakes, please correct me.

Would any IPs or separation masters still be usable and around?

Nothing I’m reading here suggests ANY hope for a remastered OOT.

The separation masters are still intact, as are other film elements closer to the o-neg than the theatrical prints.

Robert A. Harris emphasized several years ago that “these assets are well-protected.” If a user on the blu-ray.com forums is to be believed, Disney has been meticulously going through every last piece of Star Wars film material and scanning them in. It’s simply a matter of time … and of timing.

I hate to be eternally negative, but A) why believe this, and B) how much time?! I’m not getting any younger.

Combining the separation masters will not yield the same quality as that which can be derived from a scan (or even a photochemical replication to a first generation interpositive) from the original negative.

A massive chunk of the original negative was lost/damaged beyond repair from the scene where Supes confronts Lex Luther in Superman The Movie.
For the restoration in 1999, they recombined the separation masters to recreate that scene.
But the colors were slightly out of sync and the resolution noticeably compromised.

Lucas has already gone on record saying that the separation masters for Star Wars were not preserved correctly(Fox were to blame).

So the original negative is the only salvation for Star Wars.

So we’re fucked, essentially.

Yes we are. It was such a fucking great idea for George to tamper with the restoration with pointless CGI on films HE DID NOT EVEN MAKE when they were already in such bad conditions.

Possessed said:

I think you lost all credibility for at least this thread for comparing sw fans to slaves.

We’re being treated like ones by Lucasfilm ever since '97. All we ever fucking wanted was the original versions. We have filed TWO petitions on this site, and yet they fell on deaf ears.

TV’s Frink said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

So, when will the ignore feature be back? I am so goddamn tired of frevious’ shit.

There’s only one person here who can answer that and he posts infrequently.

Who decided in 1997 to PERMANENTLY TAKE AWAY the original versions?

I would’ve been a less unhinged person if Lucas didn’t project his irrational hatred onto his fans, the ONLY REASON he isn’t working on his father’s almond ranch for minimum wage.

Did we EVER deserve this abuse?

Again, it’s the carrot and stick approach. Theoretically they can never release the OOT at all, because that’s the only thing the fans want, and Disney knows it.

We are the most mistreated fan base in movie history.

Possessed said:

I still don’t see how an article of how the films were re released in theaters 20 years ago is indicative of anything. Also, fuck you for the slaves comment you miserable piece of shit.

Name me the only two films in the national film registry that do not exist in said registry.

Lucas REFUSED to give the library of congress the original version of SW, and almost forced them to accept the SE instead. The man also told that the films WE enjoyed for twenty YEARS were nothing more than rough drafts. When bootleg sales were cutting into his ten-figure profits, he gave us a substandard non-anamorphic “bonus feature” as a middle finger to his cash cow. When we petitioned again and again to have the original films released, he chose to instead mutilate the films even more with nonsensical changes.

This just scratches the surface of what fans endured. I haven’t mentioned the purging of the real men and women who made SW and Empire the classics they are. Or the prequels. Or the suffering the franchise has taken under Disney’s wing.

Bottom line, we have been treated badly for decades. I wouldn’t be a “miserable piece of shit” if it weren’t for the decades of madness Lucasfilm has inflicted on the public.

joefavs said:

generalfrevious said:
Haitian slaves in 18th century sugar plantations were treated better than Star Wars fans in the last 20 years.

Surely this crosses the line.

As long as Lucasfilm treats us with contempt, the analogy fits. I’m dead serious here; this is not a joke or a troll post to me.

The OT is too important for it to be surpressed like this, for decades, when one of the most profitable movie studios of the 2010s can clear any rights issues and give us the original versions. They should have done it right after they bought the rights in 2012. But no, they chose to drag us through the mud for five more years.

Possessed said:

Just having a article on how they put the films in theater again in 1997 doesn’t man they won’t release the originals at some point.

Yes they can, because everyone who works at Lucasfilm is a fucking moron. Haitian slaves in 18th century sugar plantations were treated better than Star Wars fans in the last 20 years. The SE should be the version that should be erased from existence, not the originals. Kathleen Kennedy is my new enemy for doubling down on the George Lucas bullshit we have had enough of already.

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

I don’t care if I’m repeating myself over and over again.

Too bad. You’re still gonna be called out for it.

If Disney has the OOT preserved, then they shouldn’t keep it shelved for three more years just because they want to focus on making the most money from the new movies.

2020 is not acceptable. Why not just move the goalpost to 2027 while we’re at it? Kennedy is proving to be worse than Lucas ever was.

They have the power to end twenty years of darkness, and they tell us to go see TLJ first, INSTEAD OF GIVING US THE ONLY THING WE HAVE EVER CARED ABOUT. The originals are the only versions that should exist. This needs to be rectified IMMEDIATELY, because the trilogy is too important to exist as a counterfeit version created by a lunatic in the 90s. This is the worst form of cultural erasure in American history, and I don’t care if I’m repeating myself over and over again.

DrDre said:

Fang Zei said:

To add to what crissrudd is saying, I feel like waiting another three years has other advantages for Lucasfilm aside from just the rights issue.

Some people are only just now getting around to buying the 2011 set. I honestly feel like we weren’t going to see a major reissue with actual new content until the time came to put the movies out on the next format. We’re only a year into 4k discs being a thing, and Star Wars has taken a long while to hit each new format.

To me, this is yet another sign pointing to 2020.

Mmm, this sounds awfully familiar. Before celebration the 40th anniversary was the most logical time for a release. Now that it doesn’t seem to pan out, things are pointing to 2020.

I don’t want to pessimistic, but from what we know from Mike Verta’s interactions with Disney, info from Disney’s restoration people, and Pablo Hidalgo, releasing the OOT is not a priority. So, there certainly seem to be no plans for a release in 2020, or otherwise. It appears to simply not be on the agenda, at all.

Hopefully, Mike Verta’s pitch has happened, and has set things in motion. However, I very much doubt Disney and Lucasfilm will have their own plans. There’s a new 4K restoration for ANH for sure, conformed to the SE. So, a new 4K mastered SE release may be pending, with some additional material, such as the Tarkin footage shown at celebration, but an OOT release seems unlikely, unless Mike Verta can convince them of the merits of his restoration.

I have not seen the original versions in almost seven years. There is no way in hell I am waiting another three years AT LEAST to see them again. I would take back everything bad I have said about TFA and RO if Disney releases the originals this year. Otherwise I can’t tolerate this carrot and stick approach any longer.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Indeed, I want the ignore feature back.

I want to have OOT on Blu-ray without having to resort to complicated software hacking, but everything has to be the worst possible scenario imaginable, doesn’t it?

Look at all the passion that went into making ESB; none of that is present in the new movies. It’s all decided in corporate boardrooms and focus groups. It’s all about making a passable product to keep the factory running indefinitely, not for audiences like the OT was, or for one’s ego like the prequels were.

DominicCobb said:

You didn’t need the links, everyone knows your opinions hang entirely on RLM’s every word.

They’re absolutely right about the decline of cinema in this country.

What’s the point of even talking about celebration? We will still be in the same rut we were put in by Lucas in the 90s, and in the last five years of Disney’s regime they have not proved to be the saviors we all hoped. They should give us an official OOT release, they owe it to us after 25 years of naked contempt by Lucasfilm against the fanbase. But what are they going to do? Just distract us with hype for TLJ, which will obviously let us down (something no one in this community wants to hear) and be forgotten a year later.

Factory products never end up in art museums. That’s just a fact.

suspiciouscoffee said:

generalfrevious said:

nickyd47 said:

JawsTDS said:

oojason said:

MisterRey said:

The Star Wars Show again hinted at something huge happening during the 40 Year Anniversary panel today…

Aye, they made a pretty big deal about it…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4FnHBITnTw (about 1m 10s in)

It feels like they’re hinting at a George Lucas appearance, though I doubt he wants anything to do with it now.

That would be awkward considering he called Disney white slavers.

He is kind of right, in a way 😦. They are running the franchise into the ground by just rehashing the good parts from the OT.

generalfrevious said:

To be fair, TFA is tied, maybe even better than Jedi, and light years ahead of the prequels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sExTt4j69zI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl5UH6EZXIM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJD5oAruU_Q

I have a right to change my mind.

Just because Disney is endlessly recycling the same two movies over and over again does not mean TFA and RO are as bad, or even worse than the prequels ever were.

nickyd47 said:

JawsTDS said:

oojason said:

MisterRey said:

The Star Wars Show again hinted at something huge happening during the 40 Year Anniversary panel today…

Aye, they made a pretty big deal about it…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4FnHBITnTw (about 1m 10s in)

It feels like they’re hinting at a George Lucas appearance, though I doubt he wants anything to do with it now.

That would be awkward considering he called Disney white slavers.

He is kind of right, in a way 😦. They are running the franchise into the ground by just rehashing the good parts from the OT.

But if Lucas shows up at Celebration, chances of getting the OUT in our lifetimes are completely fucked.

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Get out of my thread.

generalfrevious:

continues to post

Does this constitute harassment?

So anytime I want to express my opinion on any given topic, I can’t say it?

I’m giving VALID points on why the new Star Wars movies are extremely limited in scope. About why they can never be great again, and the franchise’s reputation will suffer even more than it did under the prequel era.

I have seen the OT before. I can rewatch it again if I want. So why should I spend twelve dollars to see something I have watched a hundred times already?

Disney has failed on this front because they care more about shoving in familiar elements to make money off the public than taking advantage of the SW IP and giving us something new.

You can’t make a movie franchise with no end in sight using elements from two movies made forty years ago. How many X-wing/ Tie Fighter battles can you make without repeating yourself? Does every protagonist in Star Wars from now on have to be a young brunette woman? How many Darth Vader knockoffs can the audience stomach? How can you innovate when you get studio yes men like Abrams and Edwards to direct your films? It’s like trying to build a skyscraper with a small box of toothpicks. It’s going to do more damage to the Star Wars brand than the four-part disappointment Lucasfilm spent over two decades making.

canofhumdingers said:

Star Wars already has more than two good movies.

Ok. At best, we have three.