generalfrevious

There are no words to express how insane LFL is. WE are seriously up shit creek without a paddle. Either we watch the most off-colored DVD in history, or a negative effort LD transfer to watch SW. No film transfer will ever be as bad as these two examples, EVER.

There is no hope.

There will probably be more sequels in the vein of the PT; the OOT as we know it will probably no longer exist, and nearly everyone will believe the 04 versions are the originals. Historically SW will be seen as the first link in the long collapse of American cinema, where the multiplexes are full of remakes of remakes of obscure horror movies and TV shows. Lucas will still be alive thanks to medical advances and control every aspect of LFL and sink into nadirs unimaginable to the present day. 

If you really look at history, it's just a downward spiral in a bottomless pit.

Being a fan on the OOT though, that is a cross to bear. Most of the time people don't know what you are talking about.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

On blu-ray.com, I'm quite curious how it is that posts that just say things like "saga for me!!" and "whoopee! pre-ordered it!" get so many thumbs-up clicks, whereas posts that contain actual content all get so many thumbs-down that they end up getting hidden?  Seriously, the only interesting posts are the ones you have to click to view.  Are there people that actually spend the time going through and clicking thumbs-up on all the "yahooey!" posts?  Does LFL have all their workers go through and do that?  Or does he pay someone there make a bunch of fake accounts just to go through and make sure the substantive posts get hidden while all the vapid "yippees!" get 10 stars?!

It's hard to imagine that Star Wars is the only movie in the world for which the majority of people DON'T want the theatrical version released!!??  But that's the way it looks.  How sad!

It's also paradoxical that the less involved the creator of the series is involved, the better the product is. Usually it's the reverse.

Why release the OT as a separate box set if the originals are not going to be there? It is a box set that appeals to no one. All you get is just the 04 DVDs upgraded to BD for twice the money. It is just an overpriced counterfeit product that is passed off as the real version.

dark_jedi said:

generalfrevious said:

I know this may sound tasteless, but maybe GL should have died in that car accident back in '62. We wouldn't have Jar-Jar if that happened.

Now this goes well beyond what I was mentioning earlier in this thread about people complaining just to complain, you are an ASS! unfrigginbelievable, at least there are a few that agree with me on this.

Look, we're still not getting the originals on BD, and every action GL has done in the last 30 years has been more bad than good. There is no hope in the future that GL/LFL will reconsider releasing the originals again. The failure releasing the OOT on DVD has ruined the entire format's reason for existence. Now the cycle is starting all over again on BD, with the added note that we won't even see the OOT. 

If you want to call me an ass, that's fine. But that doesn't erase that fact that the PTSE ideology is here to stay, and not even a few crumbs are going to be thrown to the OOT fans. The man has created more harm than good in this world.

Maybe we wouldn't have a bad reputation if some guy up in Marin county didn't have a few marbles loose in his head...

In the end, it's all pointless. We are being sold a product that does not contain the product itself. 

The only reason we consider the OT good is because we are viewing with nostalgia-colored lenses. If you objectively look at the franchise, SW gets an F based on the PT alone. If you look at the OT itself, it ranges from B+ to D+, depending on your view of ROTJ. LFL is being run by people who should be in a mental hospital; nowadays any DVD they put out is absolute shit. The GOUT is the undisputed champion in having the worst transfer in video history.

I know this may sound tasteless, but maybe GL should have died in that car accident back in '62. We wouldn't have Jar-Jar if that happened.

What a miserable era we live in. Soon enough people are going to be nostalgic for the 04 DVDs like they do now for the 97SE's. 

And I bet the LOC print of ESB is the SE too. Should of put that and ROTJ in the LOC before 97.

Which proves my point that Lucas was a fraud all along, and should have been some tobacco businessman, and left SW to other people. The prequels only confirmed his fraudulence, not his genius.

Still, we shouldn't make fun of him for misspelling liar as lair. That's just being unfair. Any other inaccuracies you can take.

adywan said:

generalfrevious said:

And don't think your two million restorations matter; even at their best, the preservations made on this website are already 20 years out of date. There is no point in going on with your worthless preservations. You should just follow my advice and accept the loss of these films and move on. Why should we preserve these films?

Is this a joke? If not then why the hell are you even here? Why the hell should we accept the loss of the films like the GL fanboys have? Sorry, but i for one will never roll over and accept it. That's one of the problems with today's society in that no one fights for anything any more but just "accepts it".  And i for one don't think the preservations done here are worthless. They're much better than the garbage we were given with the GOUT

No, this is not a joke. We fought the battle and people are in denial that we lost. The GL fanboys don't even realize that the OT is lost because they are too young to realize there wasn't 90s era CGI back in 1977. They can't tell the difference between the SE and the OOT. I don't want to admit we lost, but we did, and we can do nothing about it. And even if you claim the preservations are better than the GOUT, they will never match present-day video standards because the master was made in 1993, and you can't make a '93 master look like a present day master. Besides, GL released the GOUT to counter bootlegs, not because he was swayed by petitions like LFL claims.

Frink, don't ever compare me to kenkraly and haljordan. They don't know what they are talking about.

adywan said:

 

 

Thanks to people like him who will suck up anything that is Star Wars, no matter how bad it is, i worry about what we will get for the Blu-Rays for the OT. More changes/fuck ups that will only widen the rift between fans of the OT and the fans of the PT. Come on George you can stop this in one move: Release the original versions of the OT restored for the fans that enabled you to do your movies in the first place and peace will be restored. You can do whatever you want with the SE and we won't care because we will have our preferred version in perfect quality. Don't forget George, if it wasn't for us you would never have been able to make your beloved prequels and SE's. When the teenybopper prequel fans grow up you won't have your fan base to sell all your toys and videos

But GL will never listen to anyone who could criticize him. Fifteen years later we will still be begging him to release the originals, and he will still not listen to you. Lucas was a fraud all along as a filmmaker, and he will sink the franchise to deeper and more atrocious levels than any sane human being could imagine. Do you think some message boards on some obscure website will change anyone's mind to release the originals? Not within your lifetime, not in my lifetime, nor in anyone else's lifetime. The only way any person will be able to see the originals is through bootlegs, and that is a sad fact. In LFL's mind, the OT has been restored (when in reality they have been destroyed beyond all hope). There's no reason they're going to hunt down some not battered negatives in someone's basement, to them it's a pointless exercise. And don't think your two million restorations matter; even at their best, the preservations made on this website are already 20 years out of date. There is no point in going on with your worthless preservations. You should just follow my advice and accept the loss of these films and move on. Why should we preserve these films? Without SW, there would be no Michael Bay, Jerry Bruckheimer, Roland Emmerich, and other business hacks disguised as cinematic auteurs.

GL should have stayed on the walnut farm. He makes more money than he deserves.

Didn't Kurtz get fired midway through production of ESB and replaced by Howard Kazanjian (who also did ROTJ)? Maybe we should change the name of this website to originalduology.com if people hate ROTJ so much.

Anyways, onto the topic. Even though I prefer SW, and I can see the appeal of Star Trek. TOS and TNG seem to be very enjoyable shows that have a few great episodes in them. DS9 I heard has a strong cult following, and Voyager and Enterprise are shows to be avoided. 

They have us by the jugular. They can fuck up the OT as much as they can.

Leonardo said:

gf, all this talk about "we shouldn't have loved it in the first place", isn't it a bit late for this? not to mention it's completely illogical to say it, you can't go back and change history, unless you personally know Doc E. L. Brown (if you do, please let me know)

and furthermore, you make it sound like it's the fan's fault, this way. and it's not, IMHO.

I never intended the words to mean it was the fan's fault. But with the advent of the PTSE and GL's refusal to properly restore the OOT, it seems like being a SW fan was a bad bargain in the end.

The problem also, 15 years ago the negatives for the OOT were in appalling shape, and Lucas chose to bastardize it by making it into the SE instead of just simply restoring it. And we honestly don't know if the OOT was made into other film elements. It seems like time travel is the only way to preserve the OOT nowadays.

kenkraly2007 said:

generalfrevious your right about that as fans of  SW their is nothing we can do to change LFL's mind on the issue of the OT. The only thing we can keep doing is to send letters and e-mail's to LFL about this issue but it will still get us no where.

Which is why we should have never becomes SW fans in the first place. Or better yet, Lucas should have never set foot in film school, and should have gone to business school. He would still become a billionaire anyway.

Better to have never known and hate than loved and lost.

kenkraly2007 said:

I am still a huge fan of star wars and I allways will be. No matter if the oot is released in it's original form or not. I like both versions of the ot , the oot and the upgraded SE's of the Ot.

You have the right to your opinion, but Lucas wants to make the choice for us on what version we can watch. And he has checkmated us with the release of the GOUT. There may be an astronomical demand for the OOT, but LFL is deaf to the public. I assure you all, the release of the GOUT is the absolute last time we will see the originals released in any legal form. By 2035, these discs will rot and the loss of the films will be complete. It is set in stone and no matter what we think we could do to stop it, we cannot reverse LFL's decision.

kenkraly2007 said:

See the reason I ask is because other film studios don't recycle the same hd master for their films release on blu-ray ( with robocop being the one execption their are others but that's the only one I've heard about) I can't see LFL doing that with the star wars films on BD but we shall see.

Well, the problem is that LFL is not a rational company anymore. They don't realize that recycling a master (because the boss thinks its perfect) would ultimately mean a poor quality Blu-ray. Plus, they have done it before for the GOUT, by using the 93 masters, and that was done with zero effort. They weren't focused on making a good product of the GOUT, they were trying to undercut bootleg sales.

On a side note, in the end the OT, plus THX and Graffitti, are lost forever. The only thing we can honestly do is accept the loss, however unjust it is, and move on with our lives. The SW franchise was noting more than an elaborate bear trap created by Lucas and we should have never have become fans of the films in the first place. They caused more pain than happiness.

Sorry, but I have a hard time telling the difference between the two shots. I would have never noticed it unless someone told me it was changed.

But on the BDs, from what I have picked up is that the transfer may be 1080p, but the scan is lower than 2k or 4k, whatever that means. Apparently LFL likes recycling masters to minimize costs on production.

Bottom line, the BDs except for TPM is going to suck because of Lucas' inability to see anything wrong with the 04 transfers.

Lucasfilm: making the worst possible product since 1999.

And when the reviews for the BD come out, you know they are going to overpraise the quality.

Wow. These plot holes do more damage to SW than the PT. We must be crazy to like this trilogy...

I agree with that point. It was worth risking the Rebellion if it meant destroying the Death Star.