generalfrevious

There are only absolutes in this debate. Either hellfire or misogyny; my salvation hinges on rape victims being forced to carry their rapists' children to term, because you are still killing an innocent being, no excuses. For persons to spread STDs/HIV to their partners (even in church approved sex) because contraception is such a grievous moral transgression against God that giving your loved ones a possible fatal disease is the real ticket to heaven now. To accept the Humanae Vitae as a document written in stone and never wrong, and to disagree with it in the slightest iota is considered spitting in the face of Jesus (no matter that the Church has been wrong about other things, but they weren't sex related like this issue). To accept any fact of contraception and abortion rates in this country that does not come from church sancioned publications as outright pro-abortion lies straight from the devil's mouth, and for women to never listen to their doctors if they have any medical reason to take the pill other than sex-related issues. To define the truth as whatever the Catholic clergy says instead of your own opinion and empirical facts. Someone has to suffer horribly in this situation, it is our unpleasant task to decide who gets the axe.

We live in an age of extremes. You cannot have a reasonable position on any issue anymore. I don't know how to look for the good in things; can anyone help me?

We live in a really sick world. How is that I end up a member of the worst religion in the worst country among the worst species the earth has ever seen? How can any human being murder another human being that can survive outside the mother? It makes me want to throw up.

I wish I could just go back in time and stop that decision from ever being made. There is no safe stance on this issue anymore. The church will rant and rant forever about abortion, and in the end it will be an either/ or situation: the mother or the child. The church says our country permits abortion up until birth; the law says up until viability. The church says that rape victims have no choice but to carry to term. I don't what is true anymore. It has become more important in Roman Catholicism than Jesus himself. Middle grounds don't exist anymore: you always have to choose between one of several unpleasant and reprehensible extremes. I hate Christianity and want to kill myself.

Plus they see Roe v Wade as a death sentence on all unborn (a second genocide showing our country's grave moral lapse of judgement), as if they can be aborted at any moment during pregnancy, and that even children born to any mother are 'survivors' of that unjust law. I just fucking hate their obstinate, hypocritical, regressive ways so much I feel like walking out of mass sometimes and never bother going to church again. I understand their teaching on abortion, but don't have to shove down my throat every fucking week.

DuracellEnergizer said:

generalfrevious said:

Had the fourth pro-life sermon in a row at church today. It makes me very upset.   Under the Catholic church, abortion is never permissible, and you cannot be Catholic and be pro-choice at the same time. If you don't act to end abortion in my country (US), you will go to hell. There are no gray areas in this debate for catholics; even contraception is a sin, so you can have sex only in the most narrow definition, and that to have children only. According to Christianity, society must conform to the church, and any disagreement with the church catechism is disagreeing with God. So I have to either to reject the religion I was born with, or blindly accept all dogma regardless of how I feel about.

And all this time I thought Christianity consisted of a large number of different denominations, each with members holding to varying theological, philosophical, political, etc. points of view ...

 It does, but in Catholicism any opinions contrary to church teachings is heresy. It considers itself the only true church. Unfortunately it sees any sex outside of procreative marriage as a moral sin, and to not criminalize abortion is failing Jesus Christ. Even your own body does not belong to you.

Then I would be rejecting part of myself. It's a hard choice for me, because I personally don't like abortion, but it is such a minefield I don't really state an actual position. And I don't agree with atheism either or want to convert to another religion in all honesty.

Had the fourth pro-life sermon in a row at church today. It makes me very upset.   Under the Catholic church, abortion is never permissible, and you cannot be Catholic and be pro-choice at the same time. If you don't act to end abortion in my country (US), you will go to hell. There are no gray areas in this debate for catholics; even contraception is a sin, so you can have sex only in the most narrow definition, and that to have children only. According to Christianity, society must conform to the church, and any disagreement with the church catechism is disagreeing with God. So I have to either to reject the religion I was born with, or blindly accept all dogma regardless of how I feel about.

The Arlington theatre is still standing (though I don't know if it counts since the I saw the SE first in 1997), and I saw all six films there.

I haven't watched the show in ten years, but it still stays on. Does Fox create viewers out of thin air?

m_s0 said:

generalfrevious said:

Someone should start a petition to end the show for the legacy's sake.

 Too late for that. Probably around 20 years too late.

 How about two and a half men then? That shows has had 15 seasons more than it deserves. (I know it has only 11 so far)

Because it is a cash cow for Fox. As long as they continue to make money, it will stay on the air for decades to come.

Someone should start a petition to end the show for the legacy's sake.

Although something is very wrong with society if the personal life of a celebrity is a bigger news story than something like the NSA violating civil liberties.

RicOlie_2 said:

generalfrevious said:

What would be the worst era in human history? Would it be the present, WWII, the Middle Ages, the stone age, or some other time period I haven't mentioned? 

For me, I would say WWII (use of nuclear weapons in war, genocide, tens of millions dying, etc.) or the present (us political polarization, climate change wiping out all life by 2100, the rise of police states in the western world)

 WRONG THREAD!!

You should have posted this in the historical discussion thread. I made that thread for a reason you know, not as a thread that people could ignore so they could make their own, plagiaristic threads. My thread is all-encompassing so we don't need more than one thread about history. 

 Ok, I honestly didn't know there was a historical discussion thread here. And I wasn't trying to plagiarize anyone when I made this thread. That was not my intention; my intention was to see if the early 21st century really was the worst era in human history. I am very afraid that the human race will go extinct in my own lifetime due to climate change, and I think that was unfair. And with the political polarization in my country , and the sociopath that we call the president making things worse all the time, I felt depressed.

timdiggerm said:

January 24th, 2014

 Why that date? Can a single day be considered an era?

Guys, I'm trying to have a serious discussion here.

This is why I rather not get into this thread.

But bush was elected six years before that date, and the SE nine years before that.

Yeah, I don't agree with the Catholic Church about their position that much. To be honest I'm sick of my priest talking about the issue seemingly every week.

I apologize.

What would be the worst era in human history? Would it be the present, WWII, the Middle Ages, the stone age, or some other time period I haven't mentioned? 

For me, I would say WWII (use of nuclear weapons in war, genocide, tens of millions dying, etc.) or the present (us political polarization, climate change wiping out all life by 2100, the rise of police states in the western world)

Abortion should be considered first degree murder. The moment a mother is pregnant she surrenders all her rights to her baby. maybe the woman should have been more fucking careful.

Roe v wade opened up a whole can of worms on American society, and gave a horrendous verdict on all unborn children. You will burn in hell if you are pro-choice. It's not a matter if opinion, because in the cathechesism of the Catholic Church you cannot disagree with God's teachings. We must oppose abortion at all costs; it it the most important belief of Roman Catholicism.

Five words: George Lucas is a sadist.

Or someone with nothing but contempt for the fanbase for nearly 20 years. I declare DVD a total failure because we never really got the OT on the format, which IMO is the whole reason the format existed. I mean we have received nothing but abuse since 1997, and we do not deserve this.

I disagree. My opinion is that Lucas took all the credit for the OT, and lived as a fraud until the Phantom Menace ended the charade.

darklordoftech said:

generalfrevious said:

Plus, why should I be mad at George if Disney owns the Sw franchise? It's a buried hatchet.

I can't wait for the rise of the Disney bashers. If Disney doesn't ever release the OOT, it's bound to happen.

 Disney has plenty of fuel for bashers, even without the OOT