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You_Too said:

TServo2049 said:

I was trying to match the warm, muted look of this picture Mike Verta took from that private IB Technicolor print screening he attended

Good job! On the other hand, I remember Mike saying those photos from the screening only had the correct hue. I don't think they have the correct saturation and luminance, so maybe they actually looked as saturated as the Senator screening. Though, the Senator pics are photos from a camera as well.

I think it was the right hue but the 70s hot bulb put it in a golden light ->

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Is this more on track (V3 = 0.98, 1.04, 353, 0.87, 0.82)

Yes I see now I pushed too far away from the subtle pinks of flesh tone (and into waxy yellow) both you guys managed to hold onto it by dialing down the red. Colour correction can't really be done incrementally with the VLC image adjust - I was aiming to tackle some of the scenes where the faces really burn like ben and luke @ the sandcrawler. A VLC adjust is really just to get a playing copy I can live with or inspire others through a beginners attempt (or annoy others through my attempt might be more accurate in some cases)

I think I made the mistake of not shifting the hue enough before here is another stab:

V2 = 0.98, 1.04, 347, 1.04, 0.82

also on the approach to the death star the tie fighter buzzes the falcon - and the falcon doesnt catch up to it before the tractor beam - the tie fighters must be pretty fast in non hyper space

How about this : "Sentry ships engage the Falcon but don't destroy it - we'll be right there with back up soon... any minute now... nearly there..."

Bingowings said:

There is an even better explanation in the plot of the first film.

THE HOMING BEACON.

There would be very little point sticking one on the Falcon if the Empire intended to shoot and kill the escaping Rebels.

As Leia said, "It's the only explanation for the ease of our escape".

Why they are such lousy shots in the later films is where you need fancy theories.

That makes senses except for the stormtroopers in the sentry ships - would they have been briefed to attack and get blown up or not briefed and their ships handicapped in some way?

This point has probably been made before but doesnt the force protect luke and leia from being shot like Vader can't get a fix on Luke in the trench run

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msycamore said:

You're welcome, Baronlando. :) Unfortunately my capture of it is quite crude; the recorder captured it with a too low gamma, and I must admit that I did a quite lousy job when I set the contrast, combine that with the already wildly inconsistent contrast of the LD itself and you get a quite murky transfer. Don't know if it's something that can be partly corrected when playing with your TV-settings.

It's actually the above reasons that makes this transfer to look oversaturated and yellow, when corrected it's easier to see that it's mostly red/pink - shifted instead.

Thanks for capturing this LD msycamore (which I tracked down today), I played with the levels in image adjust on VLC in preparation to watch the whole film with just a little more contrast and lift the colours a tiny bit, this is solely based on how it improves it subjectivily via my laptop (it may look terrible for any other viewer). Here are the settings if any one wants to give them a go or tweak them further.

contrast 1.02, brightness 1.07, hue 0, saturation 1.04, gamma 0.72

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Damn, well you're info on the TV broadcast versions now has pretty much killed my interest. I was looking at other photos from Tunsia locations just before the sun sets and combining that with what you pointed to about the different limitations of different capture methods, filtering etc. and when I look at a sunset like the following which contains so many different colours and brings out so many colours I don't see how the matter of the binary sunset can ever be settled definitely,

(more blue, more purple, more yellow, more sandy, more light, are too vague here + how is an early tv/vhs/laserdisc going to capture this complexity)

 I thought colour correction might be a miracle restorative but the more I understand it the information in these sources is not deep enough to stand much boosting without destroying the picture

TServo2049 (or anyone) this is bugging me and probably has something to do with the complexities of color transfer but why does this 82 LD have so much extra colour in the bottom half of the picture? Here it is without my adjustment

Here is a shot from the actual location from an online site

I don't understand if the skies sort of match why the bottom half doesnt? Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've probably posted enough of them already one more isnt going to hurt

I was trying out adding an opaque layer on top of a picture to see if I could add some colour back in and push what was there with that colour.

An auto-white correct on the 82 LD and I can start to dig some more light blue out, but this daylighty can't be correct either

Now if I could just get you to calibrate my monitor I might be able to keep up with this subject matter better..

Re: the blue question

82 LD with adjusted VLC settings:

Derann:

82 LD w adj

No blue!

this is the link i got the still from via an earlier helpful link

http://passionesuper8.blogspot.com/2011/09/star-wars-episode-iva-new-hope.html

and before that also

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/566665/#TopicPost566665

I'm not exactly sure what I mean by 'draining out' now I've read your explanation. Maybe incorrectly balanced or compressed on other transfers perhaps?

Do 8mm, 16mm and 35mm all 'hold' colour differently? I mean can you only fit a certain amount from a big colour cup into a small colour cup so to speak? If so, supposedly certain subtle tones will get shaved off and then if you add print fade and other adjustments on top of that when converting down to whatever your small format is then... = bad end result?