Hmmm, while you did a great job removing the blanket yellow tint the movie now seems to have a purple cast, and from what I can see from various film cells the movie should have a cyan cast.
Apologies in advance for bumping this thread, but it’s been a year and a half since scoodidabop last posted here. I checked up his user profile and it says his last activity was 15-Dec-2017. It’s real shame nobody has his scan of Jurassic Park which I prefer to MrNiceGuy’s because of the more vivid colours.
I find Giacchino to be pretty meh, the one composer I’d love to see return to the SW franchise is Joel McNeely. Seriously, check out his Shadows of the Empire, it captures the spirit of SW music.
People that say he won’t kill characters he cares about: He has written two shows that have been wedged up against main film continuity. He has used characters from the main film continuity and is unable to kill them.
So, basically, the only characters he is free to kill is the ones he creates as the main characters of his stories. That’s depressing.
Yes, and the worst part of it is that he doesn’t have the balls to kill his characters when the story demands it, letting them hang around past the point of logic. If his characters were part of stories unrelated to the main saga then fine, but no, they will keep popping up throughout the expanded material playing illogical pivotal roles despite there being absolutely no trace of them in the main saga.
My problem with Filoni is his tendency to shoehorn characters into pre-existing continuities (Ahsoka) and have them survive way beyond the point of logic. Seriously, he rarely has the balls to kill characters that for all intents and purposes should be dead.
I know that by posting this some of you will accuse me of being a horny teenager.
Is it me or is Governor Pryce kinda top heavy, if you know what I mean?
I never said the Jedi would be extinct.
I think this is the best place to post this, but there’s a rumour that Disney is planning to end their deal with EA regarding the SW licence.
I’ve been thinking about why the idea, that TLJ didn’t answer questions like “where does Snoke come from?” is important to me in the overall appreciation, or lack thereof of the ST to me, and possibly others. My answer is, that providing answers like that provides meaning both in the context of what came before, but perhaps even more importantly to the future final installment of the nine part saga. What do I mean by this? Let me explain…
The ST is a soft reboot of sorts. ROTJ ended with a seemingly final victory at the battle of Endor, where freedom is restored to the galaxy, Anakin Skywalker is redeemed, and Luke is to pass on what he has learned. In TFA and particulary in TLJ that hard fought victory is mostly undone both on a personal and on a large scale level. In of itself this is not necessarily an issue, although the fact that the galaxy at large regresses back to an OT type conflict between a small rebel force and a large tyranny does not provide an original and/or natural progression of the story in my view, but that’s not the issue, I want to address here. The issue I want to raise, is one of meaning. What is the meaning of the victory at Endor, and by extension what will the meaning be of the supposed final victory at the end of the future episode IX? If the victory at the end of episode IX is to have any meaning for me, I need to get a sense of why our classic heroes failed to deliver a lasting peace, and why I should have faith in a positive outcome this time around. For this scenario to work in my mind, Snoke needs to be an anomaly, a unique individual, who through his great talents and power combined with some unique circumstances was able to destroy everything our heroes fought for, and corrupt their off-spring. It’s not enough for Snoke to be some random Force user who just happens to undo the outcome of the OT for the purpose of franchise extension. If that’s the case, what’s to stop some other powerful Force user from just undoing the victory of the next generation of heroes? If a major victory is to have any meaning, it should not just be wiped out of existence mostly off-screen with the explanation, that some random evil dude was somehow able to reverse three films worth of plot development, and secure the services of Darth Vader Jr. For me that does not provide a convincing overarching narrative. In my view it not only weakens the journey of the heroes of the OT, but the journey of the ST characters as well. Johnson has stated about Snoke:
“What I knew was that in this film, similar to with the Emperor in the original trilogy, it’s just not what this story is about. And the Emperor in the original trilogy, you know nothing about him. Because you don’t have to! It’s not what it’s about.”
This argument would be fine, if the ST stood on its own, and was presented as largely being simply a reimagening of the OT, a remake of sorts, but it is not. It is meant to be a continuation of a larger story, where Snoke is apparently the linchpin between the alleged victory at the end of the OT, and the tragedy witnessed in the ST. After seeing TLJ that linchpin turns out to be little more than Scotch tape.
You are touching on the issues I have with the First Order. IMO the First Order should’ve been portrayed as using deception, guerilla tactics, infiltration and so on, after all they only possess a fraction of the power the Empire possessed, and instead of being lead by a random Force-wielder (in this case Snoke) it should have been lead by a Council of former high-ranking Imperial leaders, both military and political, who have been forced to adapt to fight under their apparent weak state, with ties to New Republic senators who are subtly using their influence to provide them with intel and resources, and they have been slowly gaining a foothold by conquering seemingly unimportant worlds without drawing suspicion. If Snoke needed to be present at all it should have been in an advisory role of sorts, not as “Supreme Leader”, because like I posted earlier, it doesn’t make sense that the imperial remnant would pledge their loyalty to some random Force wielder with no previous ties to the Empire. Instead, we have a First Order with fleets of Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters and even more bafflingly, the resources to build A THIRD DEATH STAR, about ten times the size of the original. WTF?
Here’s another idea I have in mind. A SW story that takes place in the distant future, the state of the Galaxy, wether it’s being ruled by an evil Empire or the Republic managed to pull through is kept deliberately vague, the Jedi are but a rumour, and it’s unclear if Rey’s efforts to restore the Jedi Order were successful or not, thus many Force-wielders are largely self-taught, with some using the Force to help others much in the same spirit the ancient Jedi used to do and others for self-gain, managing to become rulers of planets and even entire star systems. The knowledge of lightsaber construction has been lost for the most part, thus making them a rare sight in the Galaxy.
And here I’d introduce a bounty hunter as the progatonist who is secretely a Force wielder, alternating between the light and the dark.
I must applaud Filoni for finally having the balls to…
kill a major character.
Edited by a mod to put a spoiler in. I hadn’t watched that yet - so thanks. I think DC below sends his regards too.
OK, when I first gave my opinion on TLJ I only described in one word as perfect. This was mostly due to me being without any internet connection whatsoever meaning I had to be brief, but now that I got my Internet back I’ll give a more in-depth review of the movie. OK here it goes:
Back in December 2015 when I saw TFA with my father we both came out disappointed because the movie was essentially the first SW movie and as time passes I must say the only two scenes I like about that movie are the one where Chewie rips Unkar Plott’s arm off (which was inexplicably deleted) and the lightsaber duel between Kylo Ren and Finn/Rey, other than that TFA has earned the distinction of being the first of the main SW movies that I didn’t like, and to this day I find it incredibly baffling that the movie has gotten so much praise and talk about how engaging the story and characters were. Huh? Anyway, back to this movie. Even though I greatly enjoyed Rogue One despite telling a story that really didn’t need telling I was still very pessimistic about TLJ, and the cynic in me was totally expecting TLJ to be a remake of TESB in the same way TFA is a remake of the first SW, especially after reading an interview with Adam Driver in which he stated TLJ was a lot like TESB which was the biggest possible red flag, and even though the trailers were pretty awesome I still kept my guard up, so I decided to wait for a friend of mine who got opening day tickets to tell me if the movie really was its own story or just The First Order Strikes Back, and after confirming through text message that indeed the movie told its own story I felt my expectations go from zero to 100 instantly, so there I went four days later to the cinema and as soon as soon as the opening crawl started rolling to the tune of the main SW theme blasting I felt a rush of emotion like never before, because I knew that at last I was watching the movie I expected TFA to be, a movie that breaks way from the crutches of the OT and forges its own path. Rian Johnson takes all of Abrams’ and Kasdan’s dumb ideas and tosses them down the garbage chute. Who is Snoke? DEAD! I always found it strange that the remnants of the Empire which would later become the First Order would pledge themselves to a random Force wielder with no previous ties to the Empire. Who are Rey’s parents? A couple of assholes who sold her and fucked off Jakku, excellent because that was another pet peeve I had with TFA, that I consider the whole mystery around Rey’s origins to be utterly pointless. Luke being a hermit who has no interest in training a new generation of Jedi? Actually that part is true to what Gary Kurtz had in mind when pre-production for ROTJ started, as he wanted the movie to end on a bittersweet note with Han dead, Leia having to deal with her new role as leader and Luke walking away from everything instead of the happy ending with everybody celebrating on Endor, so in a way Johnson is honoring Kurtz’s wishes which is really sweet (I don’t know if Kurtz has seen TLJ but if he has I would love to know what he thought). I really liked Luke’s mindset at the start of the movie which is basically “if you’re Force-sensitive then feel free to use the Force in whichever way you see fit, why bother being a Jedi?”, of course Yoda’s ghost later changes his mind but that’s OK with me, because his friends still need him. After dealing with the Praetorian Guards I must say if I were Rey I would have taken up Kylo’s offer of joining forces with him. Can you imagine that alliance? Kylo Ren representing the Dark and Rey representing the Light, a genuine balance in the Force, but Rey refused and I’m fine with that because that would have made the movie too awesome. One part of the TLJ that has been strongly criticised is the whole Canto Bight subplot with Finn and Rose, but personally I had no problem with their little andventure, in fact I enjoyed it as much as the rest of the movie. Basically I loved every single second of TLJ, but knowing episode IX will be directed by Abrams I’m afraid this will be the only good movie in the sequel trilogy, and even though it’s not the official title the final installment of the main saga will be Return of the Fan Service, which is real shame. It’s not all doom and gloom though, because after writing and directing such a fantastic movie I must say I’m really looking forward to Rian Johnson’s SW trilogy, a story that will take place in a different part of the Galaxy and will have no connection to the Republic/Empire/First Order saga.
I must conclude by stating that I’m really sursprised by all the backlash TLJ is getting. What were you guys expecting? That all your fan speculations would come true? It doesn’t work that way, people.
My final rating of Star Wars: The Last Jedi - 10/10.
P.S.: Apologies for the wall of text, I really appreciate it if you read it all the way through.
About a year ago a friend of mine informed me of a patch that restored much of the cut content…
Was this ever officially released?
The mod was first released in 2014 and it’s completely fan-made, but totally worth it.
When I first played Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II - The Sith Lords I was pretty underwhelmed by it, because as we all know Lucasarts rushed the production forcing Obsidian to release an incomplete game and it showed when I played it. About a year ago a friend of mine informed me of a patch that restored much of the cut content which I was completely unaware of until then. Sure enough I searched and found this thing called The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod (TSLRCM for short), so I dusted off KOTOR II, installed the mod and you know what? I think KOTOR II + TSLRCM = One of the greatest RPGs of all time, and dare I say I even think it blows the first KOTOR out of the water. Seriously, it’s a real shame I had to wait ten years to discover the absolute gem this game is, and like much of the work discussed on these forums it was all thanks to the effort of dedicated fans. Kreia/Darth Traya is hands down the greatest character ever written for Star Wars, and I doubt we will ever get a villain this complex in SW ever again, plus I like how the Jedi are given a less than flattering portrayal as overly cautious fools who decide the Exile must be evil and therefore stripped of the Force due to the uniqueness of her/his powers which greatly angers Kreia. I also like Kreia’s statement that it is a far greater victory to make your enemy see things your way and and weaken their beliefs than to outright kill them, she also strongly disapproves of petty acts of evil like killing innocent people for no reason whilst praising manipulation, deception, and committing acts with far-reaching consequences. Another thing I think is made far better by TSLRCM is the dark side ending, which in the cut version of the games feels very empty, you become the ruler of a graveyard planet, but the restored content makes it clear the Exile will go to join Revan in his fight against the secret Empire in the Unknown Regions with Visas waiting at the Trayus Academy to train anyone who travels to Malachor V to prepare for the war against the mysterious Empire. It’s real shame we never got KOTOR III and instead were given the SWTOR MMO, I hate MMORPGs with a passion.
I would like to add that I think Disney made a huge mistake in shutting down LucasArts and licensing the Star Wars games to EA, seeing as are now getting a load of mediocre SW games.
Thanks for the info.
It would be interesting to see the Old Republic used almost like the MCU, with a seemingly endless amount of films taking place around the same time each building off each other in characters and plots. For example, introducing a Jedi Knight and having a series of films where s/he becomes older and wiser, a film about Republic commandos, a bounty hunter movie, and a movie about a Sith Lord during the same 5 year period. Then they could have a major event such as the arrival of Revan or the Vong, where all the characters team up to stop a common enemy.
I don’t know if I want this though, MCU movies have lost all novelty now and I’d hate to see the same for Star Wars. At the same time this would be the best way imo to keep the franchise alive for decades (which Disney seems to be planning).
The problem I’m currently having with the MCU is that the movies are becoming indistinguishable from one another, which is why the DC movies are becoming more and more appealing to me, because as messy as they may be they are so radically different from one another and as the saying goes “variety is the spice of life”.
I’d like to make a request regarding Bernardo Bertolucci’s classic. Is it possible to find a 35mm print of the movie? As we all know the blu-ray has the aspect ratio cropped to 2:1 instead of the original 2.39:1, all of this because cinematographer Vittorio Storaro has it in his head that this should be the standard format for all movies, but I personally want to see the movie in it’s original aspect ratio (OAR), which I never had the chance to since the movie’s theatrical run was a year before I was born. On a larger scale of things I also think the OAR should be preserved. Shouldn’t we have a right to choose which version we want to watch?
It’s been almost a year. Any news on a wider release?
The title of this thread is pretty self explanatory. Personally I would love to see a Force wielder who practices the dark side but isn’t necessarily evil, whether it’s an individual or a group, I think it would be interesting to see that not all darksiders are interested in conquest and destruction. I would also like to see orange lightsabers introduced in the new SW canon.
Looking amazing Williarob. Let’s hope you eventually find a 35mm print of GoldenEye in excellent condition, which is IMO the worst looking of all the James Bond movies.
As someone who absolutely loved TLJ I must say I’m amazed at the hatred this movie is getting. What did you want? The First Order Strikes Back? Don’t worry, episode IX will be Return of the Fan Service with none other than JJ Abrams on the helm.
OK I just finished watching the movie and here’s my verdict:
PERFECT.
While I like the idea of having all SW movies under one roof and finally incorporating the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men into the MCU, I think you guys should watch John Oliver’s video on corporate consolidation to understand why Disney buying Fox scares me. I personally don’t like the idea of one company owning such a huge chunk of the entertainment industry, plus it would leave us with only five major movie studios: Disney, Paramount, Sony, Universal and Warner Brothers.
Abrams has no vision of his own, all of his movies have been recreations of the pop culture he enjoyed as a kid. This is the worst possible choice, we already had a remake of the first SW, and the last thing we need is a remake of ROTJ. I still don’t know why so many consider him a good director. Seriously, fuck JJ Abrams.
Now that we’re talking about her, am I the only one who thinks she’s hot? (I have a thing for older women BTW).