Wait, I thought the scene with Finn and the one storm trooper was in the film. Or do they just mean they shortened it down?
By one stormtrooper do you mean Phasma?
Nono, it was before they were caught, but I think after BB-H8 noticed them.
Wait, I thought the scene with Finn and the one storm trooper was in the film. Or do they just mean they shortened it down?
Technically nothing, as my google doesn’t have that property. However, the last thing I searched was “Ordinaries”.
For TLJ I also remember a trailer for this film I think was called A wrinkle in time or something. All I remember is it had dramatic slowed down “Sweet dreams are made of these…”
I find it funny how many people bash TLJ for having so many women in prominent roles, when if anything, I felt they were under utilized. It felt like almost none of them had an arc of their own, instead serving as supports for the arcs of the men.
Maybe I’m the only person here who is very interested in seeing the extra Canto Bight material. That part really suffered from overediting.
It sounds interesting. Maybe there’s more involving Rose there, to really help tie her arc together.
So, on some other communities I’m in, we brought up the question of what the other of the transformation of the Freighter into the falcon is.
How likely is the first thing that’s going to go is the light above the table?
‘Bruce Lee Lightsabers Scene Recreation’…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQC29joihwU
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The Lightsabre Nunchuk is probably one of the more dangerous variations of Light weapons known to the Galaxy. It was known to have been used by only a few Force Users; the Jedi Council quickly outlawed them after a number of padawans were maimed or killed when they accidentally hit themselves
Main theme. It was written to be his motif, and it’s used a lot in Star Wars to represent him.
flametitan said:
Take it with a grain of salt though; at least once did I catch false information (saying that some versions of the 1977 film didn’t have the scene with Chewie and the Mouse Droid.)That’s half true. Marcia Lucas thought the moment was nice and apparently fought to keep it in the movie. I don’t think that it was released without that moment, though.
It almost certainly wouldn’t have been released without it. Adding it would’ve required reassembling the negative, adding its sound to every version of the film (with a crew burdened by just getting the Mono mix put together), actually composing the music for it (As I recall, John Williams was composing for a completed assembly, not snippets of film)…
Big collection of alternate takes, deleted scenes, and even some behind the scenes stuff like David Prowse being dressed as Vader
Take it with a grain of salt though; at least once did I catch false information (saying that some versions of the 1977 film didn’t have the scene with Chewie and the Mouse Droid.)
This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.
There’s a difference between piloting a speeder and an aircraft. A speeder is more like a car, while an aircraft is like an aircraft. I don’t think it’s hard to imagine that Finn knew how to operate speeders (in fact he does so in one of the TFA deleted scenes).
Hmm… I can see that argument, but I didn’t get the impression that the Sandskimmer had more in common with a speeder than with an aircraft. That said, the sand skimmers were in such a dilapidated state that it’s hard to say for sure if they’re aircraft like the snowspeeders from Empire, or just hoverspeeders.
Still, it’s a nitpick, not an actual flaw of the movie.
This isn’t a criticism of the film, but kind of a Fridge moment for me: How does Finn know how to pilot a sandskimmer? (Vaguely; he forgets to engage a certain stabilization thing but seems to have no issues after that) Wasn’t the whole reason he teamed up with Poe in TFA because he didn’t know how to pilot aircraft? I don’t think it has to do with being unfamiliar with a TIE and familiar with the sandskimmer. After all, Star wars seems to imply that piloting experience is a transferable skill; piloting one ship means you’re good at piloting them all. Nevermind that the Sandskimmer seems like it’s supposed to be a vehicle that was outdated before Finn was born, so he’d likely never be trained to pilot one.
I started thinking about Rogue One again, and I started to realize more about my problem with the Resistance in TLJ. Aside from it being the organization the protagonists work for, why do we care about them? Especially when the film tries to set up a very grey world, blurring the lines between good and evil. Yes, they’re fighting the fascist regime, but the film doesn’t really make an effort to set up the First Order as an oppressive force on the Galaxy they conquered, either.
We can argue the quality of the characters and the structure, but Rogue One showed off just what was at stake in the film. The Empire was shown as a nearly omnipresent and oppressive force, willing to level a city (and pretty much the surrounding continent) to deal with some insurgents giving them trouble and test out a new toy. We’re shown the importance of the Macguffin and why it matters that the characters obtain it.
In TLJ, we’re more told about how bad the First Order ruling the galaxy is; the only times we’re given a real reason as to believe how terrible it is is when they destroy the Hosnian System and brainwash children into being stormtroopers in TFA. Otherwise, we’re got really given a reason as to why we should give a damn who’s in charge.
How is this any different than the OT?
In the OT:
In Star Wars we give a damn because the empire destroyed the legendary the Jedi Knights, killed Luke’s family and apparently his father, swept away any symbol of democracy the Senate represented, and blew up a civilian planet to find rebels. As the force that opposes this empire, we’re given reason to root for them.
In ESB we’re not really given a reason to give a damn, but the film doesn’t even really pretend they’re important; as soon as the Battle of Hoth ends they dispense of the rebellion almost entirely until the very last scene where Luke gets his robo hand. That said, they keep on showing why we should care that the Empire’s in charge with Darth Vader’s lack of concern for human life and lying to Lando by ordering the capture and lockdown of Bespin despite already getting what he came for.
In RotJ admittedly it relies on the momentum of the first film as to why we should care, but it gives us the return of the planet cracking Death Star, and if I recall implied that they abused the ewoks.
In the Last Jedi we’re relying on momentum from Starkiller Base and Finn’s chilhood to establish that they’re evil. The film doesn’t do much on its own to make us really concerned that they’re in charge. They use “They’re connected to the First Order” to make the casino a bad place, only to undermine it by having the resistance buy from them too. If anything, the implied abuse of the CGI horse-goats does a better job of selling us that this is a scummy planet than it being connected to the FO does.
EDIT: Oh, and TLJ tries to simultaneously make us want to care about the near destruction of the resistance while also trying (and not really doing a good job of it imo) to paint them as a grey, less than good organization. The OT never tried to have us care for the rebellion and paint them grey.
I started thinking about Rogue One again, and I started to realize more about my problem with the Resistance in TLJ. Aside from it being the organization the protagonists work for, why do we care about them? Especially when the film tries to set up a very grey world, blurring the lines between good and evil. Yes, they’re fighting the fascist regime, but the film doesn’t really make an effort to set up the First Order as an oppressive force on the Galaxy they conquered, either.
We can argue the quality of the characters and the structure, but Rogue One showed off just what was at stake in the film. The Empire was shown as a nearly omnipresent and oppressive force, willing to level a city (and pretty much the surrounding continent) to deal with some insurgents giving them trouble and test out a new toy. We’re shown the importance of the Macguffin and why it matters that the characters obtain it.
In TLJ, we’re more told about how bad the First Order ruling the galaxy is; the only times we’re given a real reason as to believe how terrible it is is when they destroy the Hosnian System and brainwash children into being stormtroopers in TFA. Otherwise, we’re got really given a reason as to why we should give a damn who’s in charge.
Aside from hugging for a few seconds during Yub Nub, there are no other scenes with Luke and Leia together between this one and when Luke goes off to hide and die on a remote planet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYX_PgorRY
That’s a really wide gulf story-wise with no explanation except gee I’m a bad teacher and I tried to kill one of my students and then he burned down my temple.
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Did they ever say how long Luke had been hiding for?
After TFA, I had thought that Luke might have been on that planet for like a couple of decades. But after seeing TLJ with Luke trying to kill an “older” looking Kylo. I’m thinking he might have just been hiding for a couple of years.
No hard dates, but Bloodline, which subtly implies from a lack of contact between Luke and Leia that this is right as the turn happens, is about 6 years before TFA.
I will say this as a positive about TLJ: At least the capital ships aren’t seemingly useless like in almost every other SW film.
I’ve only seen one screening, but how did DJ know to recommend running a scanning operation? I don’t believe the reveal about that detail happened until after they were on the Star Destroyer/bomber I forget the name of.
If it wasn’t a fake out scene, it’d be an… interesting take on the lesson of “You can’t save everyone.”
For some reason I feel like reiterating that my problems with the film was more editing/lack of pay-off for some set ups than story (though story wise I think reducing the resistance to whatever could fit on the Falcon was a tad overkill, and you could have the same story without it.)
I think what is throwing some people off is this movie goes against expectations. It was a huge gamble to go against the grain and go darker than ESB ever dreamed of being. The Rebels were on the run in ESB, but never did we see them decimated like this, literally down to one command ship and enough people to fit in the Falcon. And the last sliver of hope allies will come and save the day is met with radio silence. Things have never been this bad for the good guys.
Luke has felt the burden of being the hero of legend and a few seconds of fear and indecision has cost everyone dearly. We are light years from that night on Endor with our heroes surrounded by happy Ewoks.
I honestly don’t know where the next film will take us, because a lot of this felt like what should have been saved for it.
There is a power vacuum in the First Order now, and I doubt Kylo is going to be able to throw everyone who disagrees with him into a wall. Someone even worse than Snoke could be waiting in the wings seizing the opportunity to take control.
This is something I loved about TLJ, it didn’t take the middle movie safe route any more than ESB, and like you said, went even further. Can’t wait to see where Kylo goes from here.
I’m actually curious about that direction too. Of all the things TLJ made interesting for me, it was the way it subverted Kylo Ren’s possible redemption. I’m more annoyed that it was a little too hamfisted in how “failure is the best teacher,” as it feels like nobody won at the end.
I’d give it a C+ personally. It’s weird that it’s fun in the moment, but it feels worse in my head once I leave the cinema.
Just a random suggestion I heard, but it’d be great in something like “The last ridiculous” if someone tried to make one: What if that’s not salt on Crait, but coke?
Hardcore Legend said:
They’ve still yet to make Ben a convincing foe for Rey or the Rebels. They’ve also still failed to have Rey earn anything in this trilogy. I still think that JJ will reveal that Rey IS a Skywalker and the main struggle in the 3rd film will be that she must decide whether to kill her brother/cousin or not. Otherwise, what’s the point? It is just random force user goes to kill evil force user she is already more powerful than.
I’m curious what they’ll try to do with the last film more out of “what can they do from here?” than really wanting to see the characters evolve. I don’t have the same problems with Rey that others seem to, but I will admit that TLJ doesn’t leave a lot of doors open on character development for her.
Thinking about it more, I guess my like of Canto Blight was letting the Goat/Horse things free was alright, while I laughed a little at BB-8 being armed with excessive coinage (though I did start wondering how he stored it all), but I’m thinking nothing else really sung out to me. (and again it was a bit too “almost nothing worked out”)
Though I will say the scene with R2-D2 and Luke was probably one of the better way to use a Nostalgia callback compared to TFA.