DominicCobb said:
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ChainsawAsh said:
Makes sense to me that a ship would need to accelerate to the proverbial 88mph to punch a hole through realspace in order to enter hyperspace. *shrug*
This, especially when the visuals of going to hyperspace imply as much.
Also, people seem to think that this means TLJ is portraying hyperspeed is some kinda superpowerful attack method. But the way I saw it, the hyperspeed was just the fastest and most effective way to get the Raddus in contact with the Supremacy.
As long you don’t care about real life physics, which I 1000% don’t (and neither does Star Wars, nor has it ever, unless you’re referring to some EU hard sci-fi mumbo that has no place in this franchise), I’m honestly not sure why it’s an issue. I get if you’re super into science or whatever and you know that going to lightspeed can do all sorts of wacky stuff and that bothers you, but I don’t think it’s that hard to leave that at the door when you go to a fantasy film. As to this breaking established rules of the franchise, I still have yet to see anyone explain how this is the case, when they’ve literally explained next to nothing about how hyperspace works in the films.
But again, if you want to be bothered by something that shouldn’t reasonably be bothersome, go ahead.
I disagree. To me that’s a philosophy, where in fiction anything goes. So, it doesn’t matter, because fantasy doesn’t adhere to the real physics. However, imo to suspend disbelief fiction has to adhere to some set of rules, and be internally consistent. This is where I have a problem with TLJ on many fronts. In this instance, apart from the fact, that accelerating to lightspeed doesn’t make much physical sense,
By your own definition this shouldn’t be an issue. If Star Wars is fantasy, there should be no reason to not roll with the fact that ships need to accelerate into lightspeed, just like the Delorean (note that every time we see a ship go into lightspeed it looks like they are doing exactly this).
the hyperspace kamikaze proofs a hyperspace projectile is a much more powerful weapon than a torpedo, which begs the question why they are not widely used in the GFFA? The fact that any space battle in the GFFA would have been over in minutes with such weaponary, is bothersome to me, since the technology has been available for decades, and then I’ve not even mentioned the fact, that a kamikaze attack is pretty nonsensical in a universe with such advanced AI as the GFFA.
Like I said, I don’t think the hyperspace is the most important part of this equation. Colliding a ship the size of the Raddus would do a lot of damage no matter what, accelerating to hyperspeed was just the fastest and most efficient way to get it in contact with the Supremacy.
When you consider this, there’s not a single other time in these films where this would have been an effective strategy. Not only does the Raddus look like the biggest ship the Rebellion/Resistance has ever had, there was no point where completely wasting a capitol ship that size would have made any significant difference. The Death Star is pretty much the only time(s) they were trying to take down something big like the Supremacy, but the Death Stars were so big that ramming a ship through them at lightspeed wouldn’t do close to the damage shown done to the Supremacy, and I’d imagine the station would probably be back up and running in a week.
You don’t need a ship like the Raddus. An object the size of a football would have the same impact as detonating a nuclear bomb. An unmanned ship or torpedo the size of an X-wing would to tremendous damage equivalent to dropping a thousand nukes. I think the Death Star would be out of commission permanently, especially if such an attack would be directed at the disk.
Weird that apparently like RJ, you’re trying to have your cake and eat it too. So do you care about real life physics in Star Wars, or not? If you actually only care about consistent in-universe logic as you claim, then this is not an issue. Never before have we seen an object collide via hyperspeed in Star Wars.
In my opinion, it is not reasonable to expect Star Wars to follow the actual laws of physics in every regard, so therefore it is not reasonable to expect Star Wars to follow the laws of physics in regard to lightspeed collision (why this and not the other things it gets wrong?).
Considering TLJ is the first instance of a lightspeed collision, this is where Star Wars is establishing its physics for a lightspeed collision. And in its version, a lightspeed collision clearly does not have the power of “a thousand nukes” or maybe even one nuke.
It clearly has the power of conventional GFFA weapons many times over. The Raddus cut through the Supremacy like butter, which is a ship the size of width of 20 km or 1/6 the size of the Death Star. So, the film itself depicts the energy released as equivalent to the power of many conventional weapons, which in themselves seem quite a bit more powerful than the weapons on planet earth. Hence, the only logical conclusion is, that a hyperspace collision in the GFFA as depicted by TLJ has the power of many nukes.
We see it slice through the wing of the Supremacy, but the majority of the ship is left more or less in tact (though probably out of commission). Considering, as you say, the Supremacy is 1/6 the size of the Death Star, it is not unreasonable to suppose that it might not cause a significant enough damage to be viable method of attack on that station.
As for having the greatest power of any GFFA weapon, sure, but again this is a massive ship we’re talking about, the biggest that’s ever been shown in the Rebel fleet. It is not unreasonable to assume that an X-wing kamikaze-ing at lightspeed into the Supremacy wouldn’t have done nearly the same damage.
If we’re going to do the Physics of Light speed collisions based on what we see on screen, it seems like these collisions are high damage, but super precise. Shooting an X-wing sized craft would likely be even more precise, but we can’t say anything about its force. Likely though I assume it’s like comparing a handgun to a rifle. It all depends on how thick our target is, and where we hit.
How deep we can get into the death star? I actually think we can get to the reactor core to start the chain reaction, but the issue then becomes aiming for it. Likely the navi-computer isn’t designed to hit the reactor, but to get near your destination without hitting a star. Anything smaller than a planet is too unlikely to be targettable. Is the targetting computer precise enough? Maybe, but I don’t feel like it is.
Another wrinkle in this discussion though: We assume she was killed in the attack, but was she actually? I assume the novel says yes, she was, but what Ramifications are there if she wasn’t?
(I’m not for one side or the other of the debate, I just love extrapolating physics)
