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#264321
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Global Warming
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Oh My Fucking God. That was one of the stupidest statements I have ever heard. Read the bible you dumbass. If Jesus was here now he would not tolerate the killing of millions of jews and christians by Islam, a fake religion. I am pretty sure he would not of sat down and done nothing about this. Your a fucking stupid individual to think thats what Jesus wanted. You lunatic.


I am not religious whatsoever and I don't know much about religion and the Bible but didn't Jesus said something like "forgive them Father, for they know not what they do". If they hit your on the left side of you face, turn them the right side? I think the Amish people did pretty much what Jezus would have want them to do after the shooting at their school. Forgive the killer, even set up support for his family because they suffer too. No spiral of violence.

Edit: What is fake about their religion? Do you believe every religion except Christianity is fake? I hope not because than you sound like a fundamentalist yourself. And that would clearly show you have no respect for other people's beliefs.




Jesus is well known for His continued emphasis on love, forgiveness, and "turning the other cheek." It is therefore surprising to find Jesus advising the disciples to buy a sword in Luke 22:36: "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one." Did Jesus in this verse advocate the use of a sword for self-defense purposes?

This is an issue over which Christians have vehemently disagreed for many centuries. Following is a summary of the two basic views of how Christians have interpreted Jesus on this issue.

THE PATH OF NONRESISTANCE. Christian pacifists believe it is always wrong to injure other humans, no matter what the circumstances. And the same principles supporting pacifism carry over to nonresistance--the belief that any form of self-defense is wrong. This view is usually based on the exemplary life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

According to Christian pacifist John Yoder, Jesus rejected the existing political state of affairs and taught a form of radical nonviolence. Central to Christ's teaching, Yoder says, is His biblical mandate to "turn the other cheek" when encountering violence (Matthew 5:38-48).

In Yoder's view, the way to victorious living is to refrain from the game of sociopolitical control. Jesus exposed the futility of the violence engrafted in the present world system by resisting its inclinations even to the point of death. Hence, Christians are to refuse the world's violent methods and follow their Savior to the cross (Matthew 26:47-52). When Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword (Luke 22:36), pacifists suggest He was only speaking figuratively.

"TURN THE OTHER CHEEK" ALWAYS? It is true that Jesus said to turn the other cheek in Matthew 5:38-42. However, many scholars do not believe pacifism (or nonresistance) is the essential point of His teaching in this passage. These scholars do not believe Jesus was teaching to "turn the other cheek" in virtually all circumstances. Even Christ did not literally turn the other cheek when smitten by a member of the Sanhedrin (see John 18:22-23).

The backdrop to this teaching is that the Jews considered it an insult to be hit in the face, much in the same way that we would interpret someone spitting in our face. Bible scholar R. C. Sproul comments: "What's interesting in the expression is that Jesus specifically mentions the right side of the face [Matthew 5:39]....If I hit you on your right cheek, the most normal way would be if I did it with the back of my right hand....To the best of our knowledge of the Hebrew language, that expression is a Jewish idiom that describes an insult, similar to the way challenges to duels in the days of King Arthur were made by a backhand slap to the right cheek of your opponent."

The principle taught in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5:38-42 would thus seem to be that Christians should not retaliate when insulted or slandered (see also Romans 12:17-21). Such insults do not threaten a Christian's personal safety. The question of rendering insult for insult, however, is a far cry from defending oneself against a mugger or a rapist.

In terms of following Christ's example, one must remember that His personal nonresistance at the cross was intertwined with His unique calling. He did not evade His arrest because it was God's will for Him to fulfill His prophetic role as the redemptive Lamb of God (Matthew 26:52-56). During His ministry, however, He refused to be arrested because God's timing for His death had not yet come (John 8:59). Thus, Christ's unique nonresistance during the Passion does not mandate against self-protection.

THE BIBLICAL CASE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. It is noteworthy that the Bible records many accounts of fighting and warfare. The providence of God in war is exemplified by His name YHWH Sabaoth ("The LORD of hosts"--Exodus 12:41). God is portrayed as the omnipotent Warrior-Leader of the Israelites. God, the LORD of hosts, raised up warriors among the Israelites called the shophetim (savior-deliverers). Samson, Deborah, Gideon, and others were anointed by the Spirit of God to conduct war. The New Testament commends Old Testament warriors for their military acts of faith (Hebrews 11:30-40). Moreover, it is significant that although given the opportunity to do so, none of the New Testament saints--nor even Jesus--are ever seen informing a military convert that he needed to resign from his line of work (Matthew 8:5-13; Luke 3:14).

Prior to His crucifixion, Jesus revealed to His disciples the future hostility they would face and encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27). Here the "sword" (Greek: maxairan) is a dagger or short sword that belonged to the Jewish traveler's equipment as protection against robbers and wild animals. A plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus approved of self-defense.

Self-defense may actually result in one of the greatest examples of human love. Christ Himself said, "Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:14). When protecting one's family or neighbor, a Christian is unselfishly risking his or her life for the sake of others.

Theologians J. P. Moreland and Norman Geisler say that "to permit murder when one could have prevented it is morally wrong. To allow a rape when one could have hindered it is an evil. To watch an act of cruelty to children without trying to intervene is morally inexcusable. In brief, not resisting evil is an evil of omission, and an evil of omission can be just as evil as an evil of commission. Any man who refuses to protect his wife and children against a violent intruder fails them morally."

Source http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/qselfdefense.html

After my plea to Americans last week to buy firearms as a first step to fighting terrorism, a number of Christians wrote challenging my prescription as unbiblical, unscriptural and ungodly.

Wrong.

The Bible couldn't be clearer on the right – even the duty – we have as believers to self-defense.

Let's start in the Old Testament.

"If a thief be found breaking up, and be smitten that he die, there shall no blood be shed for him," we are told in Exodus 22:2. The next verse says, "If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft."

In other words, it was perfectly OK to kill a thief breaking into your house. That's the ultimate expression of self-defense. It doesn't matter whether the thief is threatening your life or not. You have the right to protect your home, your family and your property, the Bible says.

The Israelites were expected to have their own personal weapons. Every man would be summoned to arms when the nation confronted an enemy. They didn't send in the Marines. The people defended themselves.

In 1 Samuel 25:13, we read: "And David said unto his men, Gird ye on every man his sword. And they girded on every man his sword; and David also girded on his sword: and there went up after David about four hundred men; and two hundred abode by the stuff."

Every man had a sword and every man picked it up when it was required.

Judges 5:8 reminds us of what happens to a foolish nation that chooses to disarm: "They chose new gods; then was war in the gates: was there a shield or spear seen among forty thousand in Israel?"

The answer to the rhetorical question is clear: No. The people had rebelled against God and put away their weapons of self-defense.

"Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight," David writes in Psalms 144:1.

Clearly, this is not a pacifist God we serve. It's God who teaches our hands to war and our fingers to fight. Over and over again throughout the Old Testament, His people are commanded to fight with the best weapons available to them at that time.

And what were those weapons? Swords.

They didn't have firearms, but they had sidearms. In fact, in the New Testament, Jesus commanded His disciples to buy them and strap them on. Don't believe me? Check it out.

Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

I know. I know. You biblically literate skeptics are going to cite Matthew 26:52-54 – how Jesus responded when Peter used his sword to cut off the ear of a servant of the high priest: "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?"

Read those verses in context and they support my position. Jesus told Peter he would be committing suicide to choose a fight in this situation – as well as undermining God's plan to allow Jesus' death on the cross and resurrection.

Jesus told Peter to put his sword in its place – at his side. He didn't say throw it away. After all, He had just ordered the disciples to arm themselves. The reason for the arms was obviously to protect the lives of the disciples, not the life of the Son of God. What Jesus was saying was: "Peter, this is not the right time for a fight."

In the context of America's current battle – as we make plans to rebuild after the devastation of Sept. 11 and defend ourselves at the same time – we should recall Nehemiah, who rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem.

"They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon," we're told in Nehemiah 4:17-18. "For the builders, every one had his sword girded by his side, and so builded."

Any more questions, skeptics? [\i]

Source http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25442

I think these are proof 'nough.
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#264319
Topic
Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264319/action/topic#264319
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Not that I am for taking this thread into the Religion argument but......

The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19); adultery (Leviticus 20:10); homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution (Leviticus 21:9) and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24-25), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, each and every sin we commit should result in the death penalty (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament Law...they truly did not care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God was the One who instituted capital punishment: “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man” (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The Apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-5).

So, basically, we are back to where we started. Yes, God allows capital punishment. But at the same time, God does not always demand the death penalty when it is due. What should a Christian’s view on the death penalty be, then? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard than He or be more kind than He. God has the highest standard of any being since He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.

Second, we must recognize that God has given the government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government’s right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.

Source
http://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html

Not my words, but I don't think I could have written it any better at all! The way I look at killing in cases of War and Punishment is that we are sending them to a higher court, the court of God. If they are allowed to live they will rape, murder, and all that stuff that we don't like.
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#264270
Topic
Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264270/action/topic#264270
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Good points Wedge!

It is this simple, although I value human life, there are some people who just do not need to be breathing our air. auraloffalwaffle will just never understand how badly he has to defend his right to live until he is dead.

Invading Iraq was not a bad thing, it WAS NOT criminal. I doubt he has even talked to any Iraq War veterans. I work with two on a daily basis and I know what is going on in that desert directly from those who have been there. A majority of those people want us there and want freedom.

Here is what some people do not factor in, I could take a video camera to California and video record only the drug ridden and crime laden areas. At the end, I would have hours of video which shows police chases, gunfights, arrests of criminals, gang shootings, murders, etc. Some with a closed mind would look at that and go, "Man that California is a complete hell!" But if you saw the whole picture of California, the wine farms, the wonderful sights, Golden Gate, Hollywood, Bakersfield, and all that Califonia has t offer then you would know that California's crime problem is just not that bad once you see the whole picture. This is what is occuring in Iraq, every news report shows another soldier dieing from an IED, another Iraqi protesting our presence, another terrorist kidnapping a civilian American, the fact that a there are civilian casualties of war. They NEVER show the millions of poeple who appreciate us being there, the houses that American troops are wiring up for electricity, the places where kids are going to school again, and where the women can have a chance to learn. All these things, plus thousands of others, are totally ignored by people who simply want to critiscize the issues instead of make any effort to help.

Life and death is a complicated issue, auraloffalwaffle may understand this, but he simplifies it by saying that ALL human life is precious. I disagree, there are just some people that walk our earth that do not deserve to breath our air. Osama Bin Laden for one, rapists, murderers, and many others. It is a fact of life, live with it.

Unfortunately, I am in a career where I see things first hand that most people cannot even imagine. I've seen dead people, the raped, the drugged up, the murdered, the horrible victims of crimes which should never have been commited.

Some will just never understand until they see things oustide of their comfortable climate controlled homes where there only source of information is the news which has been watered down, changed, and given somebody's perspective about how things are. auraloffalwaffle claims that we are robots who work under command, it is the other way around totally. Every opinion I have is based on personal experience.
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#264166
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why does vader say obi wan has trained u well ?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/264166/action/topic#264166
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Originally posted by: caligulathegod
I always took it that Yoda lived on Dagobah because it was teeming with life which would hide his presence. Obi Wan points out that the Force is created by Life and later Luke makes a point of stating that the life readings were off the chart when he arrives on Dagobah.


EU says that is part of it, the other is that he lived in a force sensitive tree that somehow canceled out the presence of Yoda in the force. Also, he chose to live near a Dark Side cave (the cave that Luke enters) that counteracted his force presence. Plus, Dogabah was deleted from the Jedi archives prior to the Jedi purge and nobody knew about it.
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#263897
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Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263897/action/topic#263897
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This thread has helped my mindset a lot. Reading how many people here agree with each other, except for the occasional nut, I think America will be a good road in about ten to twenty years after we get over this liberal, global warming, politically correct, socialist attitude of our current news media, universities, and glory hound politicians.
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#263860
Topic
Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263860/action/topic#263860
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
Originally posted by: WESHALLPRESERVE
Excuse me for this attack-
HEY RETARD LOOK UP TO MY OTHER POSTS, A FEW POSTS EARLIER ABOUT THE DIFFRENT MUSLIMS. GODDAMN.... READ! WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THAT WHOLE TOPIC! GOD!

Hello, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to ferris209. I thought there was no need to quote when I'm posting right after his message. I know you go to school with them and don't hate them. You sometimes give an answer without quoting after other people already responded. Yet you couldn't figure out I wasn't talking to you without quoting?

EDIT: Besides, what the fuck do you get all mad about man. Calling me a retard... you think you know everything when you are 14? You don't know shit yet about life, about the world. Although everybody at that age thinks he does.

EDIT2: One more thing, Hitler only wanted Europe so why you think the world would speak German if he had it his way is beyond me.


Why do these liberals always like to change the subject, could it be because their argument is usually weak?

This is a perfect example of how closed minded you are. I simply say savages and you quickly asume I am speaking of all Muslims. You are the one with an issue. Although I disaaprove of the Muslim way of NOT speaking out against the radicals within thier community, I did not proclaim, at any point, that they all were terrorists. You did.
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#263814
Topic
Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263814/action/topic#263814
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WESHALLPRESERVE & Cable, it is quite obvious that folks like auraloffalwaffle and Go-mer absolutely refuse to accept that these savages want them dead and that their great country, the UNITED STATES, which allows them to speak freely, is protecting their butts everyday.

I have noticed a distinct pattern with these kinds of individiuals. No matter how many great points, no matter how many facts, and no matter how great an argument we may present, they will always revert to the standard "You brainwashed righties are so closed minded and don't see that those poor torrerists just want to be left alone" type of responses. They never bring any facts, just perceptions.

As I stated earlier, it will probably take another disaster before these kinds of poeple understand just how sacred and important our Freedom is.

This has been brought up a million times, but it sure is a good thing that these lefties didn't have any prominence in WWII or we would all be speaking German and we would never have known any of our Jewish friends.
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#263666
Topic
Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263666/action/topic#263666
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
You say they want us dead, which is why we want them dead.

It's circular logic to justify murder all the way around.

The only way to stop it is to actually stop it.


So, if somebody kills you, because you did not want to kill them first....Did you accomplish your theory of stopping the circle?
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#263650
Topic
Global Warming
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263650/action/topic#263650
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I sure hate to say this, but it is going to take another terrorist attack of mass proportion before these whiney leftist understand how important our security really is. I'm not wished, nor hoping, for such a thing at all. But we have so many of these guys like Go-Mer, Obi Jeewhyen, Adamwan, etc. that are so far out there and think that America is evil. They just won't understand until someone they love has been struck down by the action of the truly evil.

I really like WESHALLPRESERVE, he always makes his point with great clarity and proof. I agree with him 100% on this, both sides of the isle suck right now.

Go-Mer, hopefully it does not take someone you love dieing before you appreciate everything you have been given. Freedom. Saddam would have killed you if he had the chance. Bin-Laden will kill you if he has the chance. They do not care about your speech, your liberty, your children, your wife, your family, your nothing. They want you dead.


*oops, sorry about the double post, I dunno how that happened.
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#263484
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What did the Prequel Trilogy need?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/263484/action/topic#263484
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Originally posted by: Dug
That's how I always felt about Ben's reaction. That life is precious, but I don't think that taking of a life (in the interest of good) should in anyway inhibit a Jedi from action. I know that's not what you're saying, but that's what that could lead to. Jedi, for me, are made for action and shouldn't be resorted to a complete 'do nothing' just because he feels pain everytime he strikes an enemy down. I think Ben only felt that pain because it was a massive number of people, but when it's just one or two at time, it shouldn't be extreme. If it's a loved one, and it has more emotional impact, then maybe it'd be more sharper, which is why an emotional connection would be discouraged?

Although, I really wish that hadn't been established in the PT, that making connections should be discouraged. Really didn't work for me.


I also tend to believe that Jedi's put theirselves in the right "mindset" for battle. Putting themselves in a mindset that would tend to "turn off" or soften their emotional connection to the force in regards to others.

If the Jedi is not on his guard and all of a sudden a planet explodes, yeah I can see it.