Hah, as if they would ever make it that easy on us!
I've just updated the post; it appears that chip is only in EU/AU/Asian players. If random websites are to be believed, the C1AB00002379 is the same thing as the Sanyo LV7107. There's a data sheet for that but I don't see anything about comb filtering mentioned.
I also did a bunch of searches and found which Panasonic DVD recorders use which chips. Presumably the ones with matching video processors have the same comb filter performance. If you want to try searching the service manuals and whatnot yourself, they seem to consistently refer to the A/V processing chips as IC3001.
C1AB00000791:
DMR-E20 (3 in)
DMR-E30 (3 in)
DMR-HS2 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-T3030 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-T3040 (HDD, 3 in)
C1AB00001979:
DMR-E65 (3 in)
DMR-E75 (VCR, 2 in)
DMR-E85 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-E95 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-E500 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-EH50 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-EH55 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-EH60 (HDD, 3 in)
DMR-ES10 (3 in)
DMR-ES15 (2 in)
DMR-ES20 (2 in)
DMR-ES25 (2 in)
DMR-EZ17 (2 in)
DMR-EZ27 (2 in)
DMR-T6070 (HDD, 3 in)
C1AB00002083:
DMR-EA38V
DMR-EH75VP
DMR-ES30VP
DMR-ES35V
DMR-ES40VP/VPC
DMR-ES45V (VCR, 2 in)
DMR-ES46V (VCR, 2 in)
DMR-EZ37V
DMR-EZ475V
DMR-EZ47V
DMR-EZ48VP/VPC
DMR-EZ485VP
SA-HT830VP/VPC
SA-HT833V
C1AB00002100 (PAL only?):
DMR-ES10EB/EBL/EC/EG/EP (UK, Ireland, other EU countries)
C1AB00002084 (PAL only?):
DMR-ES30VGN/VEC/VEE (VCR, 2 in)
DMR-ES35VEG/VEC (VCR, 2 in)
DMR-EZ48VEB (VCR, 2 in)
C1AB00002379 (PAL only?):
DMR-EH55EC/EP
DMR-EH56EG
DMR-EH65EE/GC/GCS/GN (Russia, etc.)
DMR-ES15EB/EBL/EP/EC/EG (UK, Ireland, other EU countries)
DMR-EX75EB/EC/EG (UK, other EU countries)
DMR-EX79EG
DMR-EX85EB/EG (UK, Germany)
DMR-EX768EB/EF/EC/EP (UK, France, other EU countries)
Here is a test of the "XCard" PCIe board I mentioned some months back in the cap card thread, put together by a VideoHelp member called danno78. It's based on an AVerMedia mini-PCIe capture card that does 3D Y/C built into some laptops. According to a member who was pissed off at danno78 for obscuring its origins, it uses the SAA7136 v2.
Snell & Wilcox 4:3 Pattern 1 - three tests
Negative effects of DVD recorder passthrough:
Both have added noise and smear the chroma resolution a little.
The EMR-E20 shifts the image <0.5 pixels to the left, and causes the bottom line to jitter.
The DMR-ES15 mattes off ~2.5 pixels along the right edge. Mine brightens the image, which may be fixable by changing the "Lighter/Darker" setting in the Setup menu, but I can't find a universal remote that will give me that button.
I don't know how they affect the left edge of the image, because my DVD players only output black there.
Comb filter comparison:
The DMR-E20 has a small amount of dot crawl in the 1.0 and 1.5 MHz chroma patches. Other than that, the two Panasonic recorders seem to function equivalently.
They both have a small amount of dot crawl near the top of the image not present with the XCard. Meanwhile, the XCard has additional rainbowing in the center third of the moving zone plate (both horizontally and vertically).
All three require the zone plate to be still for 4 frames to be completely clean. The 3rd frame has slightly less rainbowing with the XCard.
Here is a quick comparison of a shot change on an LD to show checkerboarding: DMR-E20 vs XCard. The XCard has a bit less.
Another card that does 3D comb filtering is the GOTVIEW X5 3D Hybrid PCI-E (the one without "3D" in the name does too, but uses a hardware MPEG-2 encoder). Some PAL testing of that hardware encoder was done by PCtuner.ru, without the SW plate. The ADC is CX23887, also used in the Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1250 (software) and WinTV-HVR-1800 (hardware). But Hauppauge's comparison table claims that the HVR-1250 doesn't have a 3D comb filter. I guess they forced it into 2D mode...?
AntcuFaalb said:
Can you think of another test for bad AGCs?
Not something that can be distributed online. Jagabo was able to trigger his 650 USB with VHS and a cable box but not test patterns: http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/331817-Best-MPEG-2-Capture-Device?p=2057256&viewfull=1#post2057256
Maybe if the test pattern were recorded to VHS? Dunno.
All of the links in althor1138's post are dead, but I have his MP4 downloaded and I'm not convinced that this digital PLUGE Pulse would actually trigger bad AGCs. I seem to recall playing it through the USB stick without it freaking out.
Your PM box is full BTW.
No '90s player* has a comb filter worth using, so go for the TVW750PCIE if you are more interested in capturing LD than native S-Video, YPbPr, or digital formats.
*I would just say "no LD player" but I don't know anything about the units made in the '00s when good 3D Y/C tech could have been incorporated.
By the way AnctuFaalb, when you get a chance could you edit this post to note that you're referring to the different USB version? Or have you seen AGC problems with both TVW750USB (no 3DYC) and TVW750PCIE (has 3DYC)?
Your URL didn't work for me but I searched for the item number. The current auction price of $79.50 with shipping doesn't seem that amazing to me..?
Note that if you're uploading to MySpleen, you need to ignore the file that you uploaded to the tracker and instead download the .torrent file from the page after you've uploaded it, then seed from that. It's because they add your user hash to the end of the announce URL.
Wikipedia claims that all decks should be able to play the small tapes. Also see the photo.
What do you mean by reliable? I haven't heard good things about the BMIP and VHS signals.
I'm not aware of any problems with Mac doing resampling of SPDIF capture. Just idiotic PC hardware makers.
Why do you want to spend money when you've already found a working solution?
The answer depends on what comb filter your capture device uses.
Doctor M said:
"In fact, Sleeping Beauty, was the second film in history to undergo this extensive computer restoration process." (The first being the 1994 release of Snow White.)
Maybe not entirely... but 'extensive' is a troubling word.
Edit: I think the point they are making is the restoration was DONE for the 1994 release, not started in 1994.
I found the press release from June 24, 1993 (20 years ago to the day!):
Disney Classic 'Snow White' Undergoes Complete Digital Restoration at Kodak Facility
Nearly 120,000 frames of 35 mm motion picture film were restored. Each frame contained approximately 40 megabytes of digital data, roughly the entire storage capacity of some desktop computers.
In the course of searching I also came across an article that said the scanner ran at 3 seconds per frame, so that would be 100 hours of ingest time alone.
FremenDar007 said:
Nothing will be changed to the video concerning film grain, just retiming the color. Should be easy.
What makes you say that? In addition to the literal hue change, there are huge changes in contrast to the point of clipping, as well as edge enhancement to give a "bolder" look.
penguinofgreatness said:
you would need to crop the HDTV to get it back to its original aspect ratio
See my screenshots on the previous page; the open matte is a little cropped on the sides throughout. The amount it's opened up on the top vs the bottom probably varies a bit as well.
There is dot crawl along the right edge of the second source, so it's from a composite source regardless of whether it's LD or a crappy DVD.
Snell & Wilcox 4:3 Pattern 1: Sony DVP-NS50P -> Panasonic DMR-ES15 -> Diamond VC500
It looks virtually identical to the performance of the DMR-ES10, unsurprisingly.
For quick comparison:
V1 = AVISource("Comb Filter - Panasonic DMR-ES10.avi").AssumeTFF().Bob()
V2 = AVISource("Comb Filter - Panasonic DMR-ES15 to Diamond VC500 [128-128-128-140-0].avi").CropPad(8,0,0,0).Trim(0,30).AssumeTFF().Bob()
Interleave(V1,V2).Histogram()
function CropPad(clip c, int x1, int y1, int x2, int y2, int "color") {
color = Default(color,color_white)
c.Crop(x1,y1,-x2,-y2).AddBorders(x2,y2,x1,y1,color)
}
Snell & Wilcox 4:3 Pattern 2: Sony DVP-NS50P -> Panasonic DMR-ES15 -> Diamond VC500
Right now I am using a BlackMagic HyperDeck Shuttle 2 with a 256GB SSD because I don't have a desktop PC. It supports 16-channel audio... and records extra space-wasting blank audio channels all the time if the source is less than that. Argh.
Vudu's Death Becomes Her looks maybe a little better than the broadcast screens above, based on the 2-minute preview. If you want it I'll accept a donation...
It is also on my cable provider's VOD but the compression is MPEG-2. If you have access to it, there's a 12.71Mbps h264.
Suppose we figured out the best 3D comb filter and then captured everything with the best 3D comb and a second time with the best 5-line 2D comb.
Could we come up with an algorithm to pick the best frame?
A couple of the shot-on-HD titles were captured to MPEG-2 a few years back but with one exception they seem to have stayed within the private Russian torrent scene.
It's always been said these HD video titles look better than the '90s telecines, so adjust movie expectations accordingly.
http://forum.lddb.com/viewtopic.php?p=34938#p34938
I'm interested in T2 and some of the test discs but only if a group-buy or your "buy + resell + compensation" scheme can be arranged.
AntcuFaalb said:
Even if we can get a lossless compression algorithm that reduces the size by a factor of three, then we still need a medium on which to store ~222GB movies!
Compression ratios are higher for HD than SD. I've done YUY2 720p and 1080i video game captures with lossless compression ratios of 4:1.
If there are ever 8-layer Blu-rays Discs...
AntcuFaalb said:
The NXP SAA7164's 3D comb filter is way too strong. There's significant checkerboarding and ghosting at sharp shot-changes!
... and by "ghosting" I mean real temporal-NR-looking ghosts.
How can you tell that it's a result of the comb filter vs. an actual noise reduction filter feature of the chip?
Howso?
48bit colour? Seems like way overkill.
