drngr

Doctor M said:

I've found several other HDTV releases around the net.  Has anyone checked them for edits?

I've now found:

Qui veut la peau de Roger Rabbit (the one we're talking about).  1080p that fits on a DVD5 (eek). Full frame.

16:9 with 1.85:1 letterbox.

VLC sort of works but plays insanely slowly.

BlackMagic support got back to me with instructions on how to download the codec by installing the drivers for a different device. Makes perfect sense.

TServo2049 said:

Wow, I had no idea that scene was real. I knew about the other two, but I thought Betty Boop's nipples were just an urban legend. Apparently I was wrong.

Does the "For a good time, call Allison Wonderland" graffiti in the Toontown bathroom have that alleged one-frame subliminal phone number? Supposedly, it was Michael Eisner's phone number, but even if it wasn't, I'm assuming it was removed because it was a real number (like the 1-800-SPANK-ME dialogue that has been expunged from The Santa Clause since the late 90s).

Who exactly is the source of this rumor, a projectionist? An insider? No one else would be able to read a "one-frame" phone number.

No it isn't.

ilovewaterslides said:

drngr said:

Any interest in this still?

 

BTTF is DNR-free on Shaw on Demand and I can record it over HDMI, but I'm not sure if it will be better or worse than the H264 Russian capture. This is just MPEG-2 source.

 

 So, did you have the chance to capture it recently?

I need some tech support before I can.

The device I am using is the BlackMagic Design HyperDeck Shuttle 2. The damned 10-bit uncompressed QuickTime files won't play on Windows for me. Error message about a component missing.

I posted a screenshot showing his extended middle finger... on the DVD the finger is painted out altogether, according to the Movie-Censorship shots.

There’s a French HDTV encode that is easy to find on Usenet. No need to settle for old LaserDisc captures for this one!

Someone just needs to synch up the English audio track.

I wonder if any other overseas HD outlets are airing the uncensored version? Movie-Censorship’s source is a SuperRTL airing from 2010, but it’s the fullscreen SD version (probably still better than LD though, I expect).

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=545028 (one problem with this source: they think Jessica Rabbit isn’t wearing undies when she flies out of the car even though she is)

Screenshots:

http://imgbox.com/g/Nmwt14Bf4B

http://i.imgbox.com/adht7fA8.png
http://i.imgbox.com/adqx7e7k.png
http://i.imgbox.com/abmK7NLk.png
http://i.imgbox.com/abbyVOiW.png
http://i.imgbox.com/abk6DVjl.png

Mod Edit: a project release can be found on MySpleen & on some public torrent sites (some info on Page 7+ of this thread).

digitalfreaknyc said:

13mbps is MORE than enough to capture broadcast signals. Remember, broadcast is mpeg-2 but it's being re-compressed in AVC, which is MUCH more efficient.

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And, again, the Hauppauge is the only viable and realistic option for getting phenomenal results with 5.1 sound.

The best features of AVC aren't employed by realtime capture devices, since they would require additional processing time and buffering.

There are some other options for 5.1 sound, but I understand why you are saying "realistic".

^ The problem is that you can't set it to a high enough bitrate because it is locked to a 13Mbps maximum. If it could be unlocked somehow, great.

You mention a splitter that I already listed as one of two options in my original post...

To answer your question of what I capture: kids' shows; most of them seem to be produced in 5.1 but aren't aired or streamed as such.

Plus I prefer Dolby Surround tracks on older movies to a 5.1 upmix.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I want to buy a capture card with a better comb filter than mine's...

I got a PCIe card put together by danno78 on VideoHelp. It's supposed to have a 3D comb filter but I didn't get a chance to test that, and probably won't for many months. I did confirm his claim that it has TBC functionality for VHS captures.

It's actually some AVerMedia model that was apparently only put into laptops. danno78 hooked up the mini-PCIe card to a PCIe adapter card.

An $150 card that can only capture unencrypted HDMI or analog YPbPr to 13Mbps H.264 with no option for uncompressed 2-channel audio (forced AAC)

vs.

A $110 card that can capture any HDMI or YPbPr to uncompressed/lossless with uncompressed 2-channel audio

Not drinking that Hauppauge Kool-Aid.

With Alien 3, State Fair, and Visions of Light all containing a sound check + color bars with tone after the movie, it seems to be a common feature among mid-late '90s FOX discs.

Here is another with the same patterns: http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/06720/8901-85/Mighty-Morphin-Power-Rangers:-The-Movie-%281995%29

Moth3r said:

Jetrell Fo said:

 

The link is a little visual of the GGV1069 for NTSC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSGKAPwnOTI

That's not the actual image on the disc! It looks like that is the composite video voltage (IRE) trace from a set of color bars when displayed on an oscilloscope.

I thought that's what he meant; the color bars on that disc run into a waveform monitor to show the technical quality.

Note:

• (Almost) none of these cards will record more than 2 channels of audio. If your source playback device allows you to output uncompressed multichannel PCM and you don't mind recompressing, the cheapest option I'm aware of allowing more than 2 channels is the BlackMagic Decklink Mini Recorder card paired with an HDCP stripper (as of Sept '13). Options for capturing compressed audio directly are more limited. I personally use an old PC with an audio card that has an optical TOSLINK input (Mad Dog Entertainer, VIA Envy24 chip) which ignores the SCMS copy protection bit. That isn't really feasible for most people. I've yet to find a cheap device that strips SCMS, even though it is way simpler to build than an HDCP stripper. You could sync the audio from another source if it's available, of course. Apart from that the only SCMS-ignoring capture card I know of is the Hauppauge Colossus, which compresses its video input to H.264 and doesn't allow lossless capture. So for the best results you would have to capture to both cards at the same time (splitter) and combine the best video with the best audio...

Prereq:

• Windows PC with maximum ~5-year-old processor (desktop highly preferable, but laptop okay)
• Desktop: available PCIe x1/x4/x16 slot (the faster, the better for reliability) / Laptop: available Expresscard slot or USB 3.0 port
• Separate SATA hard disk drive with a fast write speed (2TB / 3TB / 4TB; I use Seagate 5400RPM and they are fast enough) -or- a giant SSD -- DO NOT CAPTURE TO YOUR OS DRIVE!
• Tons of free HDD space (100GB/hr you record, before compressing to your output i.e. x264)
• HDMI cables long enough to reach from your PC to your AV source (2)

Budget:

• $66-250 USD

Cheapest solution available:

• Timeleak HD72A ($55, down from $66 in Oct 2013) [This card mattes 4~6px to black on the edges of HDMI captures.]

Recommended hardware:

• The HDCP-Ignoring Method: Any active (powered) HDMI splitter ($18) + Timeleak HD72A ($55)
• The HDCP Stripper Method: "ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D" ($23) + any HDMI capture device ($???, preferably capable of lossless capture)

The generic HDMI splitter mentioned above strips HDCP, for whatever reason. There is one cheaper stripping splitter that I've been told works well.

For a few years now, China has been producing their own cheap capture card models that "secretly" ignore copy protection. Only recently, the HDMI boards have started showing up on eBay instead of just the import sites.

Unless otherwise noted, all of these cards max out at 720p60 and 1080i60. That's all you need for HDTV capturing, but for recording movies from Netflix, Vudu, and other web sources it is preferable to go for a 1080p24 or 1080p30 card.

Hardware list

Desktops

Timeleak HD72A (1080p24)
$66 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Video-Capture-PCI-E-Card-1080i-1080P-For-Camcorder-DVD-DVR-PS3-XBOX-360-/181185928232 [black borders]

Timeleak HD70A
$110 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-input-PCI-E-High-Def-HD-video-grabber-capture-card-720P-1080i-fr-XP-Vista-7-/251215742547

If you won't do eBay or the sellers won't ship to you, you can buy it for a markup: http://dx.com/p/hdmi-1-3-pci-express-high-definition-video-capture-card-72046 ($138.60 worldwide)

Timeleak HD72B (1080p30, HDMI OUTPUT)
$125 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HDMI-Output-HDMI-Input-Blu-ray-HD-Video-Capture-Card-grabber-Converter-PCI-E-/370738348664 [black borders]

Mine HD887 (1080p30)
$133 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PCI-E-1080P-30Hz-HDMI-Capture-Card-Real-Time-Supports-Blue-Ray-/280993117951

Timeleak HD75A
$140 - HD 75A (1080p24) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blu-ray-1080P-HDMI-Video-Converter-PCI-E-Video-Capture-Card-/261110211878 [black borders]

Skydigital SKYHD Capture X HDMI SKY-CXHDMI (HDCP STRIPPER REQUIRED unless you find the details of a supposed "trick", supports AC3/DTS, Korean rather than Chinese)
~$200 with middleman fees / JPY 11,272 - http://www.ecj.jp/U1301.doit?goods=836943&mk=1
JPY 12,684 - http://www.amazon.co.jp/???????????-HDMI?????????-SKYHD-Capture-SKY-CXHDMI/dp/B004CCQVHS/

Laptops

Timeleak HD80E
$110 - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Laptop-HDMI-Express-HD-Video-Capture-Card-Fr-PS3-XBOX360-720P-1080i-XP-Vista-7-/370739470361

Skydigital SKY-CXHDMIU3 (HDCP STRIPPER REQUIRED (possibly?), 1080p30, supports AC3/DTS, Korean rather than Chinese)
$197 + unknown shipping - http://www.gooddigitalshop.com/skydigital-captureu3.0-hdmi-1080p-external-video-capture-card.html
$233 -  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Skydigital-CaptureU3-0-HDMI-1080p-External-Video-Capture-Card-/261132234216

How to capture video with the card

• All of the devices listed above are DirectShow compatible, and so you should be able to capture using any program of your choice. Recommendations are VirtualDub and AmaRecTV.
• Install Ut Video Codec for the best-performing, best-compressing lossless codec. It is better than the multi-threaded version of Huffyuv. For regular HD content it gives a 4:1 compression ratio, which means a 1-hour 720p or 1080i recording takes up 100GB instead of 398GB/447GB.
• As noted above, your audio will be limited to 48kHz 2.0 PCM unless you get one of the cards that supports AC3/DTS. Devices that record more LPCM channels are hard to come by; BlackMagic seems to be the only one with a reasonable price in the Decklink Mini Recorder.

Example video

YouTube example using the HD72A to capture "The Dark Knight" Blu-ray from PS3 at 1080p24: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1wezhH63Ow

Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography contains a speaker test and then color bars with tone after the film.

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/05617/5993-85/Visions-of-Light-%281992%29

Got mine for $5 + shipping. The NTSC DVD sells for considerably more, being OOP.

Is there an H264 source for Bttf2 as well? Cause if not I would capture that instead.

Any interest in this still?

BTTF is DNR-free on Shaw on Demand and I can record it over HDMI, but I'm not sure if it will be better or worse than the H264 Russian capture. This is just MPEG-2 source.

I am able to capture from Vudu lossless via HDMI, but sadly I don't have access to my setup. It sounds like you don't want anything from there anyway?