doubleofive

Monroville said:

Unless Skywalker was a common name, you think for as smart as Vader supposedly is, it would ring some bells.  20 some-odd years is not long enough to forget your entire first 20 years of existence, especially when it was defined by being pronounced the "chosen one" and finding the love of your life.  You would think Vader would at least check it out... it's not like he had anything better to do, other than stand around making Tarkin look good.

If I also recall, didn't Shmi (or whatever Anakin's mothers name was) mention that Owen was her brother, and that is why Obi Wan gave Owen Luke to begin with?  Of course, this conflicts with the ANH original story line that Owen was Kenobi's brother (King Arthur connection - Arthur was given to Kay's dad [can't remember his name] to take care of.  At his coming of age, Arthur finds out that his "dad" is a surrogate and he is the true son of Uther Pendragon, who in the STAR WARS universe is still very much alive).

And now I've gone cross-eyed... 

It has been a long time since you watched the prequels...  Shmi married Owen's dad, making Owen and Anakin brothers.  Uncle Owen is actually Luke's uncle, not "Uncle" Owen as had been assumed.

One of the fun things I do in light of the prequels and RotJ is watch ANH and ESB and yell out "LIE" every time Obi-Wan tells a lie or half-truth (depending on your point of view; I'm sure he was telling the truth in the script, but later revelations show him to be lying).

Well, its fun for me...

C3PX said:

From what I read while trying to look into this, Kenner was in charge of naming many of the background characters that got figures, so if that is the case, and the names came from them and not anywhere else, then I concede that the original names they gave them were initially correct and the change may have been made retroactively.

That would change everything!  If the script and novelization call the humanoid "Tuckuss" and the toys call him "4-LOM" and the droid "Zuckuss" and Kenner came up with the name "Zuckuss" than TUCKUSS is the canon name and Kenner messed it up by calling him "4-LOM"!

So many layers!  I just go with my gut, and my gut says Kenner got a picture of the line up that said "here are the guys" and they either made up names for those that had none, or the names were given backwards, or somewhere down the line from toy design to packaging someone got the names crossed.  They would look very similar if the toy wasn't painted.

To me, 4-LOM is the droid and Zuckuss is the humanoid.  It just makes sense.

I pray he was joking.  Well, I guess this isn't strictly for Adywan, so theoretically someone who makes another version of ESB with green lasers would want to have them match in RotJ.  But that would make it an ESB suggestion, not a RotJ one.

But seriously, I like the idea of cutting the name out the first time.

Vaderisnothayden said:

doubleofive said:

I did some research (I searched the Googles), and there was no front of card with Zuckuss or 4-LOM listed.  One of "IG-88 and Boba Fett", but the other card is just the line up of bounty hunters.  I couldn't find the back of the card though to see if it ran down the list on there.  Anyone have the cards handy?

So maybe the question is whether the card back listed the names and applied them in the same arrangement that was embraced 1989 onwards.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at.  The problem is that we don't know where any of the companies got their name information.  Who's to say that Kenner didn't give the names to Topps, or if there was one master document that got sent to all of the companies that had that typo?

I did some research (I searched the Googles), and there was no front of card with Zuckuss or 4-LOM listed.  One of "IG-88 and Boba Fett", but the other card is just the line up of bounty hunters.  I couldn't find the back of the card though to see if it ran down the list on there.  Anyone have the cards handy?

Wookieepedia:

In the fifth draft of Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back, Zuckuss's name is misspelled as "Tuckuss" and he is described as a "Human-type" bounty hunter. This error was also carried over into the novelization.

If we're making typos "canon", what's REALLY his name? ;-)

4-LOM isn't in the novelization, and it sounds like he's not mentioned outside of the toys until 1989, where the Galaxy Guide add-on to the RPG gives the correct names for him and Zuckuss.

It seems to me that the only source for their names were the toys (which were incorrect even in 1985) until 1989, where the names were "corrected" from that point on.

TMBTM said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Oh, I definitely hear it.  The main melodies are exactly the same.  One is sung by a dark, creepy church choir, while the other is sung by overenthusiastic children.  Other than that, they're the same.  (The "celebration" music around the kids singing is quite different, but that's not what we're talking about.)

 

Damn, I hear it too now... NEVER tought of it. I guess I learned something today.

Wow.  I thought Anakin's theme having traces of the Imperial March gave me shivers.  That just blows my mind.

If my 5 year old self could figure out that 4-LOM was the droid and Zuckuss was the alien, I'm pretty sure that it was a mistake on Kenner's part.

I knew I should have offered to actually beta test! :-P

I'm not off work yet!  Darn you people on the other side of the world!

My appropriate response should have been: "You worry about those fighters, I'll worry about the tower."

The ships are already on the list, bongowingowongo.

HotRod, you have to remember that Fishman is the guy who thought he could remove all of the music from the movies and leave the dialog and effects intact.  This is his thing.

You'll get no complaints from me, just trying to help you work out the bugs!

vaderios said:

i want something awesome from you hotrod :D

 

-Angel

Are you calling HotRod out on calling out the guy you've been calling a troll?  I'm calling YOU out! :-P

Don't know if you've been keeping up with it, so here's the wishlist in case you want to have way too many suggestions.

fishmanlee said:

than lets hope they release more good stuff on the soundboards.

The whole saga?  That I very much doubt.

Sound effects, dialog, these are things we need in order to "rescore" anything.  If you're making another silent film version, that's all well and good, but what you really want to do is impossible unless we had access to the Lucas Archives.

"The Beginning" was the best part of any prequel DVD, I agree.  I was really disappointed that the other two films didn't continue in that fashion.  AotC had "From Puppets to Pixels" and "Films Aren't Released; They Escape", and RotS had "Within a Minute".  They were alright, but "The Beginning" was so all-encompassing, like "Empire of Dreams" without the ability to reflect on it.

C3PX said:

But those guys were the finest bounty hunters the galaxy had to offer. With names like, Boba, 4-LOM Zuckuss, Zuckuss 4-LOM, and Dengar*, you know these guys are HARDCORE. Poor ol' Greedo was just small time. 

Kenner correction department here.

TV's Frink said:

The different editors confuse me, but aren't you supposed to do this (from the help page):

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actually you start with [url=.... but when I typed that, it showed up as a link like it is supposed to LOL.

Yes, Jay that's what I'm doing because when I edit or quote a post in plain text that has a link, it parses it down to the html for the link, then if I post it it appears broken.  I haven't tried using the [ url= yet, thanks Frink.

However if I paste the same thing into the WYSIWYG editor, it resolves itself and shows up like this:

Sounds good DuTwan!  Hopefully the lips and timing would match.  Wish we could get BRIAN BLESSED to redo the voice. ;-)

Alright, this is related, so I'll throw it here. I've been trying to use the plain text editor all the time, but it doesn't seem to work properly. If I type the following in the plain text editor (which I'm using now), it shows up like this:

Sounds good DuTwan! Hopefully the lips and timing would match. Wish we could get <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitleijqobqvle9an?from=Main.BRIANBLESSED">BRIAN BLESSED</a> to redo the voice. ;-)