doubleofive

xhonzi said:

Wait!

Are there any aliens in the Rebellion until Jedi?  I was talking to my friend about the role of "humans" in SciFi.  I offered the opinion that in 90% of SciFi, humans are shown to be technologically inferior, but somehow morally superior.  He responded that in his experience, 90% of SciFi showed humans to be technologically superior.  We both used Star Wars as our argument.  He pointed out that humans run the Empire- humans run the rebellion.  Aliens hang out at bars, are co-pilots, or are criminals.  I pointed out that the Empire is run by humans and for humans, but that the Rebellion was "indiscriminate" and "equal work for equal pay."  But then he pointed out that the Rebellion on Yavin is almost all middle aged white human males, and that Hoth is only a little better (if you count the female radio operator and all of the tauntauns).

So... was this a budget limitation?  Or were aliens intentionally left out of the Rebellion till RotJ.

I agree with your point on humans in sci-fi.  Look at Enterprise and Stargate SG-1, both about humans taking their first steps into a universe already populated by species that have been in space for millennia.  Both involve the humans being simply better than the rest and being able to do things their predecessors (Vulcans/Ancients) were unable/unwilling to do.  I think that's what makes sci-fi, man being down in tech, but their humanity proving to be better than anything (at least in Roddenberry's POV).

hairy_hen said:

I saw the SE's in the theatre when they came out.  I was only 12, and I thought they were really great at the time.  I had seen the original trilogy on vhs many times before that, and was already very familiar with the films, so the changes were kind of startling, but they didn't bother me.  I had no conception that they were ever meant to replace the originals--they were an interesting alternate, which for a while I actually preferred.

My story about the SE is similar, though I was 13.  I liked the idea and didn't mind any of the changes except Luke's pansy scream and Greedo if I really thought about it.  What's funny is I spent most of the time admiring the edges of the screen since it was my first time seeing it letterboxed!  For a while I even considered the SEs a worthy replacement for the originals (if you see my Faces boxed VHS set, say "hi" for me).  Time and this board pointed out that the were going to be a total replacement, and a shoddy one at that thanks to the DVDs.

Modern Lucas would have added an establishing shot from Coruscant of Palpatine's side of the conversation during the hologram scene.  I'm actually surprised they didn't for the DVD.

Does this mean that the Motorola Droid is technically licensed by Lucasfilm, therefore making it officially Star Wars?  Crazy.  Also crazy that you can't abbreviate "Android" (which is the operating system on that and other phones) without contacting Lucas' lawyers.  At least they asked for permission...

Mielr said:

bkev said:
Didn't Alec Guinness convince Lucas to kill off Obi-Wan because he couldn't stand the dialogue? I remember reading that SOMEWHERE...

I heard the exact opposite- that Guinness was so upset that the script was changed and his character was being killed off that he nearly quit the film. Lucas had to talk him down and explain the reasons that Ben's death would benefit the film, and he finally convinced Guinness to go on.

 

This is what that awesome Making of Star Wars released recently said.

You're just peccing on Ric.

(too much?)

Darth Venal said:

shanerjedi said:

 

 Hehe, man of few words Shaner?

I think he bolded your statement on Avatar.  Either he's surprised so much of the movie is CGI or that you've seen that much of the movie.

Gaffer Tape said:

One, could Ben's death have benefitted from more danger?

I'm not sure, Gaffer.  I like the way it goes down currently, not sure if him getting beat down makes Vader more "evil", just makes him seem more powerful.  And I like the idea of an old man still being powerful enough to have to give up in order to be beaten by his apprentice.

Two, did the presence of stormtroopers in that situation increase the level of danger?

I've always thought of them more as a peanut gallery in that particular sequence.  They just want to see a good old fashioned lightsaber fight. :-D

Three, if so, have stormtroopers (and their counterparts) become exponentially more pathetic as time goes on?

Definitely.  Even in the same movie, we go from:

them slaughtering Rebels
being told how precise they are
hiding from them
being cornered by them

to

chasing them
locking doors on them that they can't figure out how to open (twice!)
standing in plain view in front of several of them

This doesn't include the rest of the films or the battle droids (oh, the battle droids).

Four, what happened to stealth?

Admittedly, the Rebels were trying to sneak around Endor, but Han had to go ruin it by wanting to take the first two they saw out directly.

Five, how did the scouts in ROTJ not realize that many of their own men went missing at the same time their speeder bike began to randomly explode in the forest, and did they not manage to put two and two together (maybe slightly justified in that it was a trap all along)?

Probably the knowing its a trap part as they had to keep the Rebels rooting around long enough to bring the fleet in (assuming the Rebels had to send a signal to the fleet, which they didn't).  My favorite part is this is "an entire legion of [the] best troops".  How do they figure that out?  Its comprised of troopers that survived at least one battle somehow?

ron2112 said:

Ithilgore said:

There is no piece of music in the world that is more epic than the Imperial March.

Three words, my friend:  The. Final. Countdown.

'nuff said,
Ron Moses

My ringtone agrees with you.

Darth Venal said:

Yes, talking, if that's what you call it in your house.

I'm fairly certain that Ric doesn't understand or use euphemisms.  It goes against his nature.

xhonzi said:

This is supposed to sarcastic, by the way.  But still- I can't get the image of Luke using R2-D2 as a make shift speeder out of my head.  Why have an X-Wing when your astromech droid can FLY?

That's a pretty funny image!  I suppose its because they can breathe in their x-wings.  Which also brings up the point: why do they wear helmets without facemasks?  I mean, if their cockpit cracks, they're dead!  I guess they have a lot of trust in the glass on their ships.  Maybe the glass is tougher than the rest of the ship, which begs the question of why they wouldn't build the whole ship out of this unbreakable glass...

I tease, of course.

I've got my ANHR covers on the DVD and fanedit.org, but Vincent they are based on the action figures.  I was working on one for each of the movies but I've learned more about Photoshop since then and will be starting over.  Here's what is on the DVD-9:

shanerjedi said:

doubleofive said:

Updated the list with Bungowungo's new guys and a find of mine:

 

The repeated/cropped/alternate/flipped shots of RotJ vs ANH.  ANH has some other shots besides these, but they're not repeated.

RotJ has so much recycled footage even Al Gore would applaud it for using less carbon emissions to create new footage.

There's more, really?  Like what?

Updated the list with Bungowungo's new guys and a find of mine:

The repeated/cropped/alternate/flipped shots of RotJ vs ANH.  ANH has some other shots besides these, but they're not repeated.

Yeah, the lights are pretty far away to be shining on Ackbar, but its a nice effect. I like the copy/paste heads I think it might work.

A new suggestion? Blast it Bangowingu, we were so far off topic!

;-)

Bingowings said:

Siliconmaster482 said:

Bingowings said:

It's Black Pudding (we like to hide the fact it's made from blood, we aren't Klingons).

P'tach!

 

Ric Olie said:

Ric Olie is all redundant, all the time.

I treat it like the Matrix: great first movie, good sequences in the second, confusing and forgettable third. I just ignore the last two, as the first is so well done as anything adding to it decreases its value to me.

Sorry, that's not very helpful to your edit. I really have no ideas on how to completely restructure the last movie.

Nice work. Never seen that poster before, like the styling.

Newsgroups, torrent sites, just search for Adywan.

Someday I'll look through the stuff at my mom's and scan the document I wrote out dated in 2000 when I predicted that Palpatine created Anakin, based on my thoughts on why Lucas would have created midiclorians as a biological component to the Force and the whole "Clone Wars" thing.

Darth Solo said:

Stalkers. Im not laying easy with that. To all other stalkers out there, just sign up and join the crazys.

Double 0, thats neat. Though you should pay a mention to the original artist out of respect though fella ;-)

I'm back. Updated the wishlist and threw this together:



I like the "Revisit the..." idea. Revisit the Hope, Revisit the Strike, Revisit the Return, Revisit the Menace, Revisit the Attack, Revisit the Revenge, etc.

The Revisited Alderaan explosion is from Stargate SG-1, but the planet breaking up in the "deleted scene" is from Enterprise.

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