doubleofive

adywan said:

TV's Frink said:

doubleofive said:

It's interesting that if we complain long enough about something, you post a new picture to refute it.  BTW, I hate what you're doing with the Wampa.  It's going to look stupid.  I don't trust your creative decisions.

LOL.  I think everything on ESB:R is wrong ;-)

ha ha. nice try you two. But i haven't shown anything new because the exact same shot with the colouring has already been seen on my AVCHD version of ESB

BLAST! ;-)

Ady, didn't you get the memo?  Lucas was going back to the original script with a blue Yoda on the DVD release.  It was his vision all along!  How dare you change it for "consistency" or "returning to the original"!  :-P

It's interesting that if we complain long enough about something, you post a new picture to refute it.  BTW, I hate what you're doing with the Wampa.  It's going to look stupid.  I don't trust your creative decisions.

I am so kidding, you know that, right?

Darth Lars said:

Ghost said:

Does anyone think that Vader's entrance in the Hoth battle is weak?  He comes out of nowhere.

I agree to a bit. I think this was discussed very briefly a long time ago in this thread, or in the "wish list" thread. One suggestion, as I remember it was that there would be a shot where the AT-ATs were followed by a landing shuttle or star destroyer emerging from the cloudy sky. (or is it just in my head?)

We did discuss it on one of the threads, but any addition would destroy the pacing and is really unnecessary, much like the "how did Vader get back to his Star Destroyer, show us his ship landing George!" scene in the SE.

Your family sounds awesome.  Does your 6 year old truly understand the whole "Luke's vision of his own face under the mask of the phantom Darth Vader" or does he think he just isn't wearing a mask? ;-)  Would love to see pictures, especially of Baby Yoda LOL

We're wearing our Ren Faire costumes my wife made over the summer (a preview pic from the faire we made it for):

It Won't Shrink!

We spent a lot of time and money on making those outfits to not wear them!

We've done Star Wars in the past, in fast shortly after we started dating (2004):

corellian77 said:

Ric Olie said:

"And look over there.  Senator Palpatine is waiting for us."

I hope you enjoyed this sample of my spoken word album, "The Shield Generator's Been Hit And Other Powerful Observations."

LOL.  This book really should--nay, MUST--be written!

On a similar off-topic topic, does anyone know if there is a video on the net of all of Ric Olie's dialogue assembled into one moving and powerful montage?  If so, I'd love to see that.

Someone posted this the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meemZeaKtRQ

I help:

 I know what you mean, but I kind of like it.  Brings a new level of lifelessness and sterility.

Darth Venal said:

Bingowings said:

It is a bit of an odd way to bump your own ideas but who I am I to talk I used to deliberately wear odd socks in the eighties?

Adding a few new skiffs and maybe a second smaller barge would make the party seem more like a decadent joyride (the palace seems to hold a lot of people some of which may not be important enough to travel with Jabba or might want to show off their own ships). Having more people there could crank up the threat when Luke turns on the Jedi charm.

Though as always it would be a lot of work integrating it into the existing elements in a convincing way.

 Regarding the hordes of others that might want to attend, I thought of actually adding a spectator stand, like from the Mos Espa arena. After all, these are public executions and Tatooine isn't the most progressive planet on that front. I'd love to see a crowd cheering on the executions, and then even Luke and co when the tide turns.

Heck, it could be the Mos Espa arena.  It's not really the sort of thing most people would do, but I'll put it on the list.

Darth Venal said:

Ghost said:

I wish there was a way to change the story around and make it more epic.  Not just on a Sail Barge.

 Your right, but it could be alot better.

 Why are you replying to your own post as if it were someone else?

Ghost has gone (more) mad.  Or he wasn't paying attention.  Either way. ;-)

xhonzi said:

Ah-hah, but he brought up the Original Star Trek...  Where man travels from planet to planet in their fancy spaceship and mostly visit non-space-faring peoples.  He also brought up Babylon 5 where they are middle of the road or slightly higher.

I, of course, fell back on every alien invasion story where they come to Earth.

I was going to bring up the original Star Trek also, but in the sense that its all about the morality.  Kirk went to several planets where it wasn't the tech, but his morality that changed them.  The one that sticks out in my mind is "The Apple" where he introduces both love and murder to a culture, but you have to take the bad with the good because that's the human way!

IMO, most of sci-fi comes down to moral humans > any alien.  Of course, no one goes to a movie and roots for the aliens to win (unless it's Aliens vs Predator, of course. Or District 9).

xhonzi said:

Wait!

Are there any aliens in the Rebellion until Jedi?  I was talking to my friend about the role of "humans" in SciFi.  I offered the opinion that in 90% of SciFi, humans are shown to be technologically inferior, but somehow morally superior.  He responded that in his experience, 90% of SciFi showed humans to be technologically superior.  We both used Star Wars as our argument.  He pointed out that humans run the Empire- humans run the rebellion.  Aliens hang out at bars, are co-pilots, or are criminals.  I pointed out that the Empire is run by humans and for humans, but that the Rebellion was "indiscriminate" and "equal work for equal pay."  But then he pointed out that the Rebellion on Yavin is almost all middle aged white human males, and that Hoth is only a little better (if you count the female radio operator and all of the tauntauns).

So... was this a budget limitation?  Or were aliens intentionally left out of the Rebellion till RotJ.

I agree with your point on humans in sci-fi.  Look at Enterprise and Stargate SG-1, both about humans taking their first steps into a universe already populated by species that have been in space for millennia.  Both involve the humans being simply better than the rest and being able to do things their predecessors (Vulcans/Ancients) were unable/unwilling to do.  I think that's what makes sci-fi, man being down in tech, but their humanity proving to be better than anything (at least in Roddenberry's POV).

hairy_hen said:

I saw the SE's in the theatre when they came out.  I was only 12, and I thought they were really great at the time.  I had seen the original trilogy on vhs many times before that, and was already very familiar with the films, so the changes were kind of startling, but they didn't bother me.  I had no conception that they were ever meant to replace the originals--they were an interesting alternate, which for a while I actually preferred.

My story about the SE is similar, though I was 13.  I liked the idea and didn't mind any of the changes except Luke's pansy scream and Greedo if I really thought about it.  What's funny is I spent most of the time admiring the edges of the screen since it was my first time seeing it letterboxed!  For a while I even considered the SEs a worthy replacement for the originals (if you see my Faces boxed VHS set, say "hi" for me).  Time and this board pointed out that the were going to be a total replacement, and a shoddy one at that thanks to the DVDs.

Modern Lucas would have added an establishing shot from Coruscant of Palpatine's side of the conversation during the hologram scene.  I'm actually surprised they didn't for the DVD.

Does this mean that the Motorola Droid is technically licensed by Lucasfilm, therefore making it officially Star Wars?  Crazy.  Also crazy that you can't abbreviate "Android" (which is the operating system on that and other phones) without contacting Lucas' lawyers.  At least they asked for permission...

Mielr said:

bkev said:
Didn't Alec Guinness convince Lucas to kill off Obi-Wan because he couldn't stand the dialogue? I remember reading that SOMEWHERE...

I heard the exact opposite- that Guinness was so upset that the script was changed and his character was being killed off that he nearly quit the film. Lucas had to talk him down and explain the reasons that Ben's death would benefit the film, and he finally convinced Guinness to go on.

 

This is what that awesome Making of Star Wars released recently said.

You're just peccing on Ric.

(too much?)

Darth Venal said:

shanerjedi said:

 

 Hehe, man of few words Shaner?

I think he bolded your statement on Avatar.  Either he's surprised so much of the movie is CGI or that you've seen that much of the movie.

Gaffer Tape said:

One, could Ben's death have benefitted from more danger?

I'm not sure, Gaffer.  I like the way it goes down currently, not sure if him getting beat down makes Vader more "evil", just makes him seem more powerful.  And I like the idea of an old man still being powerful enough to have to give up in order to be beaten by his apprentice.

Two, did the presence of stormtroopers in that situation increase the level of danger?

I've always thought of them more as a peanut gallery in that particular sequence.  They just want to see a good old fashioned lightsaber fight. :-D

Three, if so, have stormtroopers (and their counterparts) become exponentially more pathetic as time goes on?

Definitely.  Even in the same movie, we go from:

them slaughtering Rebels
being told how precise they are
hiding from them
being cornered by them

to

chasing them
locking doors on them that they can't figure out how to open (twice!)
standing in plain view in front of several of them

This doesn't include the rest of the films or the battle droids (oh, the battle droids).

Four, what happened to stealth?

Admittedly, the Rebels were trying to sneak around Endor, but Han had to go ruin it by wanting to take the first two they saw out directly.

Five, how did the scouts in ROTJ not realize that many of their own men went missing at the same time their speeder bike began to randomly explode in the forest, and did they not manage to put two and two together (maybe slightly justified in that it was a trap all along)?

Probably the knowing its a trap part as they had to keep the Rebels rooting around long enough to bring the fleet in (assuming the Rebels had to send a signal to the fleet, which they didn't).  My favorite part is this is "an entire legion of [the] best troops".  How do they figure that out?  Its comprised of troopers that survived at least one battle somehow?

ron2112 said:

Ithilgore said:

There is no piece of music in the world that is more epic than the Imperial March.

Three words, my friend:  The. Final. Countdown.

'nuff said,
Ron Moses

My ringtone agrees with you.

Darth Venal said:

Yes, talking, if that's what you call it in your house.

I'm fairly certain that Ric doesn't understand or use euphemisms.  It goes against his nature.

xhonzi said:

This is supposed to sarcastic, by the way.  But still- I can't get the image of Luke using R2-D2 as a make shift speeder out of my head.  Why have an X-Wing when your astromech droid can FLY?

That's a pretty funny image!  I suppose its because they can breathe in their x-wings.  Which also brings up the point: why do they wear helmets without facemasks?  I mean, if their cockpit cracks, they're dead!  I guess they have a lot of trust in the glass on their ships.  Maybe the glass is tougher than the rest of the ship, which begs the question of why they wouldn't build the whole ship out of this unbreakable glass...

I tease, of course.

I've got my ANHR covers on the DVD and fanedit.org, but Vincent they are based on the action figures.  I was working on one for each of the movies but I've learned more about Photoshop since then and will be starting over.  Here's what is on the DVD-9:

shanerjedi said:

doubleofive said:

Updated the list with Bungowungo's new guys and a find of mine:

 

The repeated/cropped/alternate/flipped shots of RotJ vs ANH.  ANH has some other shots besides these, but they're not repeated.

RotJ has so much recycled footage even Al Gore would applaud it for using less carbon emissions to create new footage.

There's more, really?  Like what?

Updated the list with Bungowungo's new guys and a find of mine:

The repeated/cropped/alternate/flipped shots of RotJ vs ANH.  ANH has some other shots besides these, but they're not repeated.

Yeah, the lights are pretty far away to be shining on Ackbar, but its a nice effect. I like the copy/paste heads I think it might work.

A new suggestion? Blast it Bangowingu, we were so far off topic!

;-)