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Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

No where in Star Trek 2009 does it say that the Narada went to a different universe, it just went back in time and changed history.

SPOCK: You are assuming that Nero knows how events are predicted to unfold. To the contrary, Nero’s very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.
UHURA: An alternate reality?
SPOCK: Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed.

If the writers meant for it to wipe out the Prime timeline (which they specifically say they didn’t), they would not have had them describe it IN THE MOVIE as an alternate reality. There are enough changes in the prologue of the movie to show that it might be a completely alternate universe, like another Mirror Universe.

Me, right now

As for Discovery, it takes place in the Prime timeline. Nothing about the content of the plot has contradicted anything in the timeline that I can see. The visual changes should not be explained away in-universe, like Enterprise tried to do with the Augment Virus. This is how it looks in a show made in 2017, just as it should. As fun as the fan films are with their 100% accurate sets and makeup, that isn’t want a modern trek should be. It SHOULD be pushing the envelope for effects and prosthetics and telling stories that are relevant to today, and you know what, Discovery is doing exactly that.

I disagree. If you want it to be “how it looks in a show made in 2017”, then call it a total reboot, totally having nothing to do with the original cannon. But if you are going to put it in the original cannon, it should look like it.

Do you have this problem with Enterprise? Do you accept that the Refit Enterprise in TMP is the same ship as the original, even though every detail of her is different? How do you feel about Cardassians and Trill changing between TNG and DS9? They’re all in the Prime universe, but each one has a different spin on how things look because that’s how you make television.

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

As for Discovery, it takes place in the Prime timeline. Nothing about the content of the plot has contradicted anything in the timeline that I can see. The visual changes should not be explained away in-universe, like Enterprise tried to do with the Augment Virus. This is how it looks in a show made in 2017, just as it should. As fun as the fan films are with their 100% accurate sets and makeup, that isn’t want a modern trek should be. It SHOULD be pushing the envelope for effects and prosthetics and telling stories that are relevant to today, and you know what, Discovery is doing exactly that.

Tobar said:

You guys are starting to sound like the prequel apologist crowd coming up with your own head canon (ring theory) justifications for awful decisions.

We’re not trying to justify writing here, we’re justifying why some ships are different colors.

Tobar said:

You guys are starting to sound like the prequel apologist crowd coming up with your own head canon (ring theory) justifications for awful decisions.

We’re not trying to justify writing here, we’re justifying why some ships are different colors.

This week’s episode had a fancy new Klingon ship identified as a D7, which is the classic TOS model. This goes with my friend’s headcanon that Star Trek has been like a historical record for future people who live in the Trek universe, so the effects are limited by the budget in-universe. Each visual change in more recent series are more representative of how they actually looked, or the recreation of this particular series took an artistic choice.

Adding this layer of fiction within the fiction helps smooth over any changes for me.

I’ve got it: cut the entire Sail Barge Battle. Make mind tricks work, then we’re done! 😉

Right, it’s one thing to hear stories about 10,000 people who had magic powers who were wiped out 20 years ago and to actually experience it yourself.

Tobar said:

dahmage said:

Why on earth does captain Lorca have a Tribble on his desk?

Yeah, that almost bugged me as much as Scotty already having one in his ice base in the Kelvin timeline.

Lorca may have one to root out Klingon spies. He might already know they don’t like Klingons, which may come in handy after this week’s episode.

Adywan’s Internet is being shitty, so this is why he’s been radio silent recently.

I would hope he fixes the reflection under the troopers as its still a wall…

ChainsawAsh said:

Haven’t finished reading the book yet, but each story is meant to be told from the POV of a different character and they’re all unreliable narrators, so inconsistencies are to be expected.

This is true. Hell, the Cantina Band story is an excerpt from an autobiography, so the details it has that doesn’t add up with Greedo’s story may be explained away with it being exaggerated for the autobiography reader. Taking that and removing one of the pilot stories completely, the rest of my “canon” inconsistencies mostly go away.

fishmanlee said:

Did Adywan ever fix the continuity error with Leia’s belt in the Trash Compactor scene?

No. What error?

Oh god, I want to talk about Movies Anywhere, the new digital movie locker, but there are literally 100 movie threads now.

So now I’ve necrobumped this thread.

Finished FACPOV. Overall, I’ll say I enjoyed it. There were a couple clunkers, but that’s to be expected. There were a few stories that established things and the next story established the opposite, which is odd. Were there too many pilots on Yavin, or not enough? Other than things like that, it was a good mix of drama and humor.

Alright then, Section 31 kept it a secret. 😉

That or it all ends with Discovery’s atoms spread across the universe.

Bingowings said:

RE :Self Reporting, I’m pretty sure if you sent a PM to a moderator requesting to be banned your wishes would be granted 😃

Any Hooo…
This is as much for AR:SE as for ROTJ:R, what with Rogue One having very polished reflective floors in key rooms is it possible or desirable to do something similar for Death Star interiors in other films?
The floors are quite reflective in both films but not to the same mirror effect of Rogue One and I quite liked the effect. It makes the rooms look other worldly and obsessively sterile and buffed. So many OT Death Star sets have dents and scratches and scuff marks. Jedi has some very tatty cobbled together sets which are kind of forgivable for the Rebels but not so much for the Empire.

Wouldn’t we need actual reflections of EVERYTHING to make the floor reflective?

I’m saying that they probably designed the animation to fit into the 16:9 frame since it was primarily distributed in that format (action safe areas, etc). I’m sure there’s some bonus feature that refutes that. I really just wanted to make the Cartoon Network OAR joke.

HotRod said:

Is there a version under 2gig available - All I want to do is watch it thru the PS4

I used Handbrake to make a smaller version for my Apple TV, you can do the same to encode something that can play on your PS4.

joefavs said:

I feel like a curmudgeon saying so because I’ve seen a lot of folks citing it as one of their favorites, but I thought that Aunt Beru story in FaCPoV was fucking awful. Took me right out of it. The only saving grace was the fact that it was only three pages long. One clunker in the first nine stories is still an excellent ratio though. Here’s hoping this was the only hiccup.

It certainly was one of the more pointless stories.

TCW was always “shot” for 16:9, I’m sure. Technically, if Cartoon Network counts as first release, 16:9 is the OAR. 😉

The point of DSC S1E4 was to show that in order to use the instant travel drive it required the subjection and torture of an alien creature which goes against Federation principles and will probably end disastrously. It wouldn’t be the first time a ship has encountered a new way to travel that they then ignored in the future, or turned out to be evil. There’s a VGR 2-parter that also has a Federation ship using creatures to improve their speed and no one followed up on it either.

Either way, why would Discovery use the drive to explore the galaxy when they’re breaking every law to appease a Captain hell-bent on ending a war using a teleporting ship? Lorca seems upset that he HAS a science vessel, he’s not going to let them actually explore. And I have a feeling Burnham isn’t going to let them use the drive very often as it obviously hurts RIPR.

That’s what I’m talking about!!!

Handman said:

I’m not used to seeing so many bans. Why has the moderation seem to have gotten a bit more strict?

OOJASON HAS BROUGHT ORDER TO THE GALAXY

Mike O said:

His writing has actually not been too bad. It’s weird, it’s like he wanted to write a straight-up Star Trek series, Fox asked for a standard McFarlane show with dick and weed jokes, and he put them into his first script and Fox approved it. It’s bizarre.

I think this too. Either that or he can’t help himself and adds dick jokes because it’s a compulsion.

TV’s Frink said:

SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

I think you’ve confused Muppets with puppets.

And a Star Wars puppet making an appearance on The Muppets doesn’t count!

So did Clerks. 😉

And when did Yoda do the Muppet Show?

Beats me, I was kinda just assuming.

There was a Muppet Christmas special where Yoda shows up. Or so I’ve heard.

But we digress.