doubleofive

I wish someone had just told me the truth right up front, as soon as I was old enough to understand it. I wish someone had just said: “Here’s the deal, Wade. You’re something called a ‘human being.’ That’s a really smart kind of animal. Like every other animal on this planet, we’re descended from a single-celled organism that lived millions of years ago. This happened by a process called evolution, and you’ll learn more about it But trust me, that’s really how we all got here. There’s proof of it everywhere, buried in the rocks. That story you heard? About how we were all created by a super-powerful dude named God who lives up in the sky? Total bullshit. The whole God thing is actually an ancient fairy tale that people have been telling one another for thousands of years. We made it all up. Like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. “Oh, and by the way … there’s no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny. Also bullshit. Sorry, kid Deal with it."

Cheery shit, in the middle of a book about a kid memorizing Holy Grail to win a contest.

moviefreakedmind said:

I’m curious what the context of that sentence is. There’s a tragic irony to being unable to believe in a philosophy that assigns meaning to life when you hate life.

The context is that his neighbor, who is the only person in real life who treats him kindly, believes in God. The speech is him telling the reader that he doesn’t have the heart to tell her that God is a myth perpetuated for generations and that he’s so much better off. And it’s at least a couple paragraphs long, just ranting to the reader about how enlightened he is and how dumb his kind neighbor is.

ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

ChainsawAsh said:

The Dark Tower, while far from perfect, is one of my favorite book series of all time. I’m so gutted at how they ruined the film adaptation. I’ve read the 2014 draft of the script and, while it wasn’t amazing, I wouldn’t have hated it and it would’ve been an okay foundation for a film series that followed books 2+ more closely.

But no, they cut that script to the bone and butchered both Roland’s motivation and the ending.

Here’s hoping the TV series that’s supposedly still going ahead is, in fact, a complete reboot as has been suggested instead of taking place within the universe of the film…

Has King complained about Dark Tower the way he does about Kubrick’s version of The Shining? 😉

No, he’s cooled off on complaining about adaptations and has become warmer about Kubrick’s film in recent years, too.

Besides, he was hyping up the DT movie during the run-up to its release, so if he does have a problem with it it’ll probably be a while before he’ll open up about it.

I hope he feels the same way about it that I do. A straight adaptation would have been a disaster. Take the base elements of the universe and make a movie out of it, not an adaptation of the books.

suspiciouscoffee said:

chyron8472 said:

doubleofive said:

Finished Ready Player One for the podcast “book club” 372 Pages We’ll Never Get Back (from a couple of the RiffTrax guys). Holy shit, that book is the absolute worst. Badly written, poorly plotted, the main character has no redeeming qualities and spends 371 pages bragging about how much stuff he has memorized.

As a gamer, I was intrigued by this book so I bought the audiobook from Audible. I couldn’t even get past the first few chapters. Somewhere early on, the main character thinks about how smart he is for realizing there is no God, then almost immediately afterward he goes back to watching episodes of Family Ties and thinks about how pointless life is.

So… Rick and Morty?

Rick and Morty if the creators meant for Rick to be someone to emulate.

I also forgot the extended section on how much smarter he is than anyone else because atheism is the best, and the section on how everyone masturbates. Cool, definitely worthy of being heralded as the best book of the year and worth millions of dollars in movie rights.

Finished Ready Player One for the podcast “book club” 372 Pages We’ll Never Get Back (from a couple of the RiffTrax guys). Holy shit, that book is the absolute worst. Badly written, poorly plotted, the main character has no redeeming qualities and spends 371 pages bragging about how much stuff he has memorized. The “exciting” parts of the book are people playing arcade games inside a VR game or actually just quoting the entirety of Monty Python And The Holy Grail.

It can’t even be interpreted as a deconstruction of nostalgia culture, or a morality tale about how pop culture shouldn’t be your obsession. There’s literally half a paragraph where someone says “I realized on my death bed that there’s more to life than video games”, then the book just stops. The kid is rewarded for memorizing more movies and being better at old arcade games than anyone else. Even when he teams up with other people for the final battle, the only help they give is exposing a glitch to allow him to win. Nothing about friendship being magic, the quest was never supposed to teach them a lesson. It’s just non-stop references and people bragging about getting the references.

Judging by the trailer, Spielberg seems to have scrapped the entire plot, so maybe the movie will have some redeeming qualities? But as a book, it’s just the worst.

I’ve also been reading Devil In The White City, which is extraordinary. Any one of the stories it tells could be a book, but the fact that they’re all together makes it all the better.

walks in, looks around, turns around and exits

Snaketibe said:

ZeeverFett said:

I would love to see Luke with his intended blue lightsaber in this Revisited version. They only made it green because of the blue sky on tatooine.

Granted George Lucas has contradicted himself many times over the years with regards to Star Wars, so who knows what the real story is, but the one I heard was that George made the saber green in Jedi to make it clear it’s a different one to the one Luke lost on Bespin.

Then it would have been scripted like that, and there wouldn’t be trailers with a blue saber.

Since Adywan isn’t editing the ST, it’s really not relevant. If he wanted to blow up the Falcon and kill Lando, he could, because Revisited is a Trilogy.

HerekittykittyX said:

I didn’t know that there was a prequel Revisited forum

There isn’t. Either a thread or Prequels Revisited.

Yeah, I’d only make a thread dedicated to a wild change if I’d actually figured out how to pull it off convincingly.

I’m so tired, you guys.

Almost every time travel episode uses a different method and follows a different theory about how time travel works.

The Ritty said:

Now let me ask you a question - what didn’t you like about Star Trek 12? Forget the SW nonsense we’ve back and forth’d above - this is about ST. I loved Darkness, I know a lot of people didn’t. I don’t see why a diff edit is needed. Beyond was ok but I don’t think that could even be fixed with a diff edit but what was your take on 12 and was the fan edit radically different or just a tighter, leaner animal?

The thing is, if you look up Vengeance on fanedit.org, you can find out what the editor didn’t like about the film and what changes he made to improve it for himself. That’s all people are asking for.

flametitan said:

I remember hearing that were deliberately designed to be ludicrous, more of a propaganda reel than literally true, but that may be apocryphal attempts to excuse it.

Sounds like a classic Legends way of keeping everything canon when no one designed anything to actually be canon.

Here’s the latest:

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/donation-drive-progress-update/

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https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/donation-drive-progress-update/

Here’s the latest:

https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/2017/10/19/donation-drive-progress-update/

Warbler said:

I disagree. McCoy went back in time and altered history and thereby altered the timeline. He didn’t create a whole new one. If I went back in time and prevented the Lincoln assassination, I wouldn’t create a new timeline, I would just alter the original one.

Thank you, that’s another point I forgot.

If you went back in time to prevent the Lincoln assassination, what happens to you after it happens? Where did you come from anywhere? Your entire history has changed. And then in 2017, you wouldn’t have any reason to go back in time, hell, you might not even exist. What then?

Time travel actually creating alternate timelines prevents this from being a problem. You now live in the newly created past, from a reality where Lincoln was killed, but having created a timeline where he hasn’t.

We’re arguing about how time travel works in a fictional universe. The writers can make time travel work however they want. The writers of the new Star Trek movies are well on record saying they didn’t replace the Prime Timeline.

My final point: The Supernova-Powered Red Matter Black Hole is possibly closer to a quantum fissure than the thousand other ways people travel in time, possibly putting people in alternate quantum realities. It’s not like we would know any better because any time travel story is affected by what character the audience is meant to follow. It’s possible that my Star Trek 4 theory happens every time someone jumps in time, we just don’t stick with the existing timeline but jump with them into the new one. People aren’t ever saving their timeline, they just find themselves in the timelines they fixed by their own actions.

To keep it out of theory and into canon, “In A Mirror Darkly” shows that the Defiant from Tholian Web ends up in the past and in an alternate reality.

And with that, I leave the thread.

chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

No where in Star Trek 2009 does it say that the Narada went to a different universe, it just went back in time and changed history.

That’s not how time travel in Star Trek works. You should watched the TNG episode “Parallels” again. In that episode, Troi was not worried about being non-existent should Worf fix the space-time continuum; she was worried that her version of Worf, to whom she was married and had children, would not return to be with her after all was said and done.

The timelines that Worf encountered in that episode were “alternate timelines” that existed before that episode and continue to exist afterward. The Trek multiverse does not have a single line of causality in which only one version exists at any one time. I’m certain we do, here, in real life, but Star Trek is fiction. So there doesn’t have to be a real life that-doesn’t-make-sense-from-what-I-know-of-God reasoning for why Trek must have a single timeline.

Yes, “Parallels”! Perfect!

I firmly believe that events like Star Trek 4 create multiple timelines. There’s one in which the Bounty disappears and Earth is destroyed. Then there’s the one the series continues to follow, where they reappear with the whales. We just follow the timeline where the main characters happen to be at the time.

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

No where in Star Trek 2009 does it say that the Narada went to a different universe, it just went back in time and changed history.

SPOCK: You are assuming that Nero knows how events are predicted to unfold. To the contrary, Nero’s very presence has altered the flow of history, beginning with the attack on the USS Kelvin, culminating in the events of today, thereby creating an entire new chain of incidents that cannot be anticipated by either party.
UHURA: An alternate reality?
SPOCK: Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, if the time continuum was disrupted, our destinies have changed.

If the writers meant for it to wipe out the Prime timeline (which they specifically say they didn’t), they would not have had them describe it IN THE MOVIE as an alternate reality. There are enough changes in the prologue of the movie to show that it might be a completely alternate universe, like another Mirror Universe.

Me, right now

As for Discovery, it takes place in the Prime timeline. Nothing about the content of the plot has contradicted anything in the timeline that I can see. The visual changes should not be explained away in-universe, like Enterprise tried to do with the Augment Virus. This is how it looks in a show made in 2017, just as it should. As fun as the fan films are with their 100% accurate sets and makeup, that isn’t want a modern trek should be. It SHOULD be pushing the envelope for effects and prosthetics and telling stories that are relevant to today, and you know what, Discovery is doing exactly that.

I disagree. If you want it to be “how it looks in a show made in 2017”, then call it a total reboot, totally having nothing to do with the original cannon. But if you are going to put it in the original cannon, it should look like it.

Do you have this problem with Enterprise? Do you accept that the Refit Enterprise in TMP is the same ship as the original, even though every detail of her is different? How do you feel about Cardassians and Trill changing between TNG and DS9? They’re all in the Prime universe, but each one has a different spin on how things look because that’s how you make television.

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)

The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.

Star Trek 2009 nine makes it clear that the Narada when back in time, altered history and thereby turned the prime universe into the Kelvin universe. There may be an alternate universe that is exactly the same at the prime universe, but it would only be a duplicate universe and not the prime universe. As far as I know, Discovery does not take place in an alternate universe that is a duplicate of the prime universe, it takes place in the prime universe itself.

It actually specifically makes the opposite clear. The Narada created a divergent timeline that they call “an alternate reality”. The Prime universe is still there, untouched (just without Romulus). See also: Star Trek Online, which continues in a post-Romulus Prime timeline.

As for Discovery, it takes place in the Prime timeline. Nothing about the content of the plot has contradicted anything in the timeline that I can see. The visual changes should not be explained away in-universe, like Enterprise tried to do with the Augment Virus. This is how it looks in a show made in 2017, just as it should. As fun as the fan films are with their 100% accurate sets and makeup, that isn’t want a modern trek should be. It SHOULD be pushing the envelope for effects and prosthetics and telling stories that are relevant to today, and you know what, Discovery is doing exactly that.

Tobar said:

You guys are starting to sound like the prequel apologist crowd coming up with your own head canon (ring theory) justifications for awful decisions.

We’re not trying to justify writing here, we’re justifying why some ships are different colors.

Tobar said:

You guys are starting to sound like the prequel apologist crowd coming up with your own head canon (ring theory) justifications for awful decisions.

We’re not trying to justify writing here, we’re justifying why some ships are different colors.