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darth_ender said:

The last statement about being "morally straight" is a subtle reference to Star Trek, i.e. humpback whales

danny_boy said:

Yeah----Paramount must have brainwashed Wise into making statements such as the following:

''I'm happy with it now. This is the film that I really wanted (Star Trek Special Edition) .''

I love the proof!

This probably isn't the best site for this discussion, as "Qui-Gon" is barely acknowledged as a Star Wars character around here. ;-)

From what we've seen of the lost cut, its boring as sin. I'd rather have the original versions.

Look over there!

evan1975 said:

greenpenguino said:
FYI the script isn't about King John as the goodie, but rather the script centres around the Sheriff of Nottingham, investigating a string of murders that may or may not have been done by the Terrorist 'Robin Hood'

My mother will be disappointed to hear that.  Our ancestor is once again relegated to Disney villain status. ;)

Let's not and deny that it was even an idea anyone ever had.

If you want to watch me talk about Prometheus, we just recorded this tonight:

http://cinetropolis.net/channel-c-1-prometheus-jaws/

Which release do you have? I'm not sure what this site is missing, but I don't see any gold ones:

http://swonvideo.com/laserdisc/ldforside.htm

Don't miss our definitive listings of all of the changes:

Definitive Special Edition Visual Comparison (HD):
Star Wars 1977/2004
Empire Strikes Back 1980/2004
Return of the Jedi 1983/2004
2011 Blu-ray Changes

Is it still weird for me to think that this movie was originally more closely tied to Alien when I feel like all of the Alien ties seem forced in the final version? How does that even happen?

I always wait too long on my t-shirt ideas:

http://shop.blindferret.com/Hijinks/product/t-shirt-and-my-axe

Bingowings said:

I think in the long form the Red Letter guys let the film off in a way they would never have a Star Wars prequel.

I hope the extra 20 minutes is Shaw running around telling everyone about the alien baby she has locked in the escape pod.

xhonzi said:

Well.. I can tell you the last movie I didn't see. There might have been a thread called "The Last Movie I Didn't See" at one point in time, but I couldn't find it.

(and this is more of a mini-series anyhow)

I didn't see Red Dwarf: Back to Earth. In fact, I didn't even know it existed. How did this not hit my radar?

I blame Ripplin.

That is indeed what we call "Faces" or "THX". As the changes guy, I have to say that this is first time I've heard of alternate angles used in that scene. I sincerely doubt it, and would attribute it to going from the fullscreen TV version to the widescreen (if that is a picture of what you had). If your VHS was fullscreen as well, it could have been a different crop (which is not something we've tracked).

The "Episode IV" title was added to the 1981 theatrical re-release of "Star Wars" for double features with "Empire". No home video format ever had the crawl without the episode number until the 2006 "bonus disc" version of the theatrical cut.


The 1977, 1981, and 1997 versions of the opening crawl.

none said:

What duration do you think Prometheus covers.  two three days?

negative1 said:

doubleofive said:

I hope those extra twenty minutes is where they kept all of the characterization, or explained why "Checkov's" self-surgery pod existed and was only programmed for a man when it was in Theron's personal quarters. If it was for Weyland, why? She wanted him dead, no surgery could have saved him from anything anyway.

i like the idea of the possibility that she was an android also... she didn't need much time to recover from stasis, and she was able to choke and handle david pretty well.... who knows what happened when she told the ships captain to come by her quarters?

later
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That's what people are complaining about? Internal bleeding? Not that it only affected her for 5 minutes while she wandered around a ship that was still full of people and no one notices or talks to her about it? SHE HAD AN ALIEN BABY AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE! David seemed pretty insistent on it being born, why would he not check on it when she shows up bloody and naked in Weyland's room?

I hope those extra twenty minutes is where they kept all of the characterization, or explained why "Checkov's" self-surgery pod existed and was only programmed for a man when it was in Theron's personal quarters. If it was for Weyland, why? She wanted him dead, no surgery could have saved him from anything anyway.

But seriously, most of the characters were just there. And not like a cheesy horror movie where they each had their cliche, they were just there. The captain of the Prometheus didn't seem phased by any of his crew dying, and ended up ramming the Space Jockey ship with volunteers I'm pretty sure had no dialog until that point. "Alien" managed to make you care about each character, even making you guess at who the main character is. "Prometheus" gives you the main character, who barely acts human, does things because they're symbolic, and is surrounded by people whose names we don't even remember.

By the way, I loved catching the first Sunday showing at my local theater. The wife and I were the only people in there, so we could talk like we would at home. "I'm sure that Theron's quarters are a life support pod will never enter into this again", mostly just "come on!"

Saw it today. I wanted to like it. I really did. But I just didn't. I liked the beginning, pretty much everything until the first penis alien opened up to reveal its vagina mouth. Unfortunately it never recovered. From alien c-sections which barely phases the mother who doesn't tell anyone about it, to "shocking" reveals that I could have called from the first 10 minutes. Vagueness abounds, and even after reading theories (especially this one that pretty much says the Xenomorphs were made because we killed Jesus) I'm still not sure what the movie was trying to say. It certainly took a long time going nowhere.

And that was not a Xenomorph at the end, not phallic enough.*

Prometheus. See the Prometheus thread.

Verboten said:

Apologies if this has been covered.

It's recently been noted that the exterior shots of the Falcon cockpit have been cropped in Empire. Unless I'm mistaken, there has been some mystery as to why this was done.

Well, the answer seems to lie in The Making of the Empire Strikes Back. See, when George had the cockpit set designed for Star Wars he wanted it be a cramped set in order to reflect real world cockpits.

When it came time to rebuild the set for Empire, Kurtz requested that it be built a bit more spaciously. Why? Apparently, the actors had complained to him that the cramped quarters of the original set were hindering their performance. Lucas didn't know about the change and was not pleased once he found out, but by then the set had been completed and he could not afford the time or money to have it rebuilt.

So, over twenty years later he has the cockpit frames zoomed in and cropped to give the appearance of a more compact space. Why he simply didn't have Kershner film it that way in the first place remains a mystery.