skyjedi2005 said:
Don't think i could tweet with that Lucas girl and not get into a heated fight.
From what I have read of your posts... I don't think you could.
S_Matt said:
The level of hate for Jedi from some quarters really is quite surprising though. It was a tough act to follow the first two films but Jedi still counts, to me, as an exceptional fantasy film and an incredible technical achievement. Its just that comparing it to two masterpieces makes it seem perhaps a lot worse than it is.
Where or how have you experienced surprising levels of hate for Jedi?
Firefox 4 shits me up the wall. The little "transferring data" taskbar doover that auto-resizes and changes sides on the screen is the stupidest fucking thing ever.
/rant.
*edit* Sorry - wrong thread. Thanks RedFive. Plus I'm kinda used to it already :P
My apologies.
A: Why not? (rhetorical)
Q: Who's next?
A: Two-One-Bee
Q: Who was that masked man?
LexX said:
This whole thread is becoming frustrating to read and I really don't see the point of it, it almost begins to look like trolling. Are you really saying you don't understand what preserving and restoring means? In that case, here you go:
Preserve: To keep in perfect or unaltered condition; maintain unchanged.
Restore: To bring back to an original condition
What I'm trying to say is that this is not subjective. I could see the point of this thread if you wouldn't mention both of those words and you'd be just asking if people would be alright if LFL only changes some effects and then debate about that. I understand that some people would be okay with some changes and that's an opinion and I can respect it. But it has nothing to do with preservation or restoration.
^ This.
AND NOW... A man with a tape recorder up his nose.
I like the third one too. Shows nice depth, not just a boring side-by-side lineup. The first one is a good concept but doesn't do justice to the intimidating size of the destroyer. Don't like the second one so much.
More:
Can I just make one up?
*jumps in without waiting for response*
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CO said:
doubleKO said:
CO, I edited my last reply to you with an apology and a couple of questions about Empire/Jedi. Here is just the edit:
edit: Sorry I shouldn't be flippant with you CO as you are one of the fans that I was looking for. I just didn't really want the PT brought into it. Do you watch Jedi at all? Are you satisfied with Empire as a conclusion to a two-part saga? Or do you just get to the end of Empire and go "Meh I remember...Rancor, Jabba, skimpy Leia, Death Star, Ewoks, Lightsabers, explosion. Been there, done that."?
I honestly watch the OT movies as standalone movies, because whenever I try to watch them as a 'Saga/6 movies' or 'Trilogy/3 movies' it has never worked.
The reason I am like this is I grew up watching the movies on HBO way before I had a VCR to watch them together. SW came to HBO in '83, so I watched that a zillion times on its own. ESB came to HBO in '86, and I watched that a zillion times on it own. Same with Jedi in '88, as I had a VCR by then, but didn't buy the trilogy til 'one last time in 1994.'
I never really thought of them as 'one big story' even in the trilogy days. Sorry, but this is the biggest failing of Lucas because I saw Star Wars in the context of how it was told in 1977, and Lucas keep changing and changing the story, there are just too many inconsistencies. If I watch each movie on its own and in the context of how that movies was made, then they work alot better.
When Jedi is on Spike, I will usually tune in and out for certain parts: Sail Barge, Throne Room Scenes, Dagobah, Vaders entrance at the beginning. But I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched it on DVD, probably a few years ago. (I think 2007 or 2008) Whereas I will watch Star Wars and Empire whenever I get time to watch a DVD.
What I meant by the PT affecting Jedi was more on the level that it opened my eyes that Lucas was loosing it in '83. (I also love Raiders but think Temple of Doom and Crusade are OK and Crystal Skulls is unwatchable). The PT story doesn't affect anything about Jedi to me, but after seeing the quality of PT movies, it made more sense why Jedi is sub-par to Star Wars and Empire.
Thanks for the reply. I guess that was one approach/attitude I hadn't considered. I can accept Star Wars as its own movie, but I can't separate Empire from Star Wars or Jedi. It is Star Wars only or whole OT for me. And my memory was a bit off - Jedi wasn't released on VHS til '86 when I was twelve, so it was my favourite until I was at least 13, beacause I watched it at least twice a week for the next year :) (My aunt owned a video store and we got brand-new rental copies of the OT as soon as they were released).
Baronlando said:
Lucas definitely started to miss the forest for the technology right around this time. My favorite example is how he kept saying how much better the palace creatures were than the ones in the cantina, which I've never heard anyone agree with. But the step up in hardware, from pullover masks to the more complex muppety nerf creatures with all the hoses and shit in them, was something that just had to be better. Because you know, technology. It was like the first version of the cgi-vs. models debate. (All the prequel-era debates could be found in some form during the Jedi vs. SW/Empire days. The big difference is the pro-Jedi guys were never as touchy about it.)
Don't want to be the touchy pro-Jedi guy here but I agree that the palace creatures were better, especially if you are including Jabba here. I don't think the scenes were shot or edited as well as the cantina; being a bit too focused on the creations for their own sake, rather than allowing them to provide more atmosphere from the background. Some of them obviously didn't work, but with the Jabba puppet & animatronic Gamorrean masks alone I think he pretty much surpassed the quality of the cantina creatures.
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CO, I edited my last reply to you with an apology and a couple of questions about Empire/Jedi. Here is just the edit:
edit: Sorry I shouldn't be flippant with you CO as you are one of the fans that I was looking for. I just didn't really want the PT brought into it. Do you watch Jedi at all? Are you satisfied with Empire as a conclusion to a two-part saga? Or do you just get to the end of Empire and go "Meh I remember...Rancor, Jabba, skimpy Leia, Death Star, Ewoks, Lightsabers, explosion. Been there, done that."?
Furthermore S_Matt, I think I might prefer your version if you must know :P I know bugger-all about re-compositing but I think I would prefer matte lines and boxes gone as per the look of the SE and so would Frink if I remember correctly...
But it does not seem to be the consensus of "THE RESTORATIONALISTS" *wooo* *chains rattling or something*
We would all like an umpteen different version box set of the OOT in splendid HD glory similar to your precious Blade Runner FC, and that's what we would get if George gave a damn. But with his revisionism and refusal to make them available, then GOUT release - we have pretty much been reduced to trying to agree on the least crappy copy we are willing to accept or just ask for ONE thing with one voice if only to imagine George hears it during his hypothetical moment of clarity. Suggestion: Read this thread again. And possibly the reason for this website.
I know you never asked us to agree and were more than likely wanting a larger range of answers. But why? So you could shoot us down for being petty and divided? We pretty much agreed and then you did that anyway, while asking for more changes to a standard, no frills, ordinary effing transfer than anyone else.
Frankly I am not obsessive about quality and regularly watch DivX on a 720p set as well :P I would even be satisfied for at least the next few years with a frickin' dual layer DVD transfer. But I will not buy a box set of SE Blu-rays to get it.
Harmy said:
No, you can have whatever opinion you like but you can't expect people to agree with you on a forum dedicated to film preservation. Like DoubleKO said, you keep comparing the OOT to the FC of Blade Runner but that's comparing apples and bananas.
Whichever version you prefer, it's clear OOT and the Theatrical Cut of BR are apples and the SE and FC are bananas.
Mmm... bananas.
S_Matt I did not say that only one opinion was allowed or even hint at it. I was wondering why you seem to be separating yourself from US but claim WE cannot agree, when we do; and saying that we will not be happy with what we have agreed on, when we will; say that we all want a dozen odd versions, when we don't, and YOU are the one asking for the more difficult, expensive and less faithful version, which you keep comparing to a Special Edition of a different movie. DOES NOT COMPUTE.
asterisk8 said:
doubleKO said:
Very close. Obsessed-with-quality slob is closer.Please don't think I was calling you an obsessive snob. I was actually referring to myself. That's why I said, "if that was me and my kid". I care, probably too much, about things like a 4:3 picture stretched to 16:9, and I've been known to stealth-calibrate my friends' TVs while they're in the bathroom because I notice when their video settings are not optimized. :)
I was worried that you might think that I thought that. I didn't, I was just revising my vision of you being me to the vision that I originally envisioned.
Now... S_Matt. I also am getting just slightly annoyed by your posts on this thread. Fair enough it is yours, but you basically accuse everyone else of not being able to come to an agreement on this matter but as far as I can tell, we have. It is you who wants extra this and that on top of the OOT and keeps comparing it to an SE version of Blade Runner. What should be allowed is what Harmy and basically everybody else has been saying and that is a straight, quality transfer.
Anyone? I am still having this problem of having to type in paragraph tags etc. It didn't happen to begin with and I have obviously restarted my PC - same deal. I did manually delete my whole Firefox cache at one point, is there some cookie or some frickin thing it's looking for that I now don't have? Sheeeeeeeeeet. Maybe I will try IE.
*edit* Fixed...somehow. I'm back baby.
