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- #185303
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- Superman 4 Recut Rough Cut (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/185303/action/topic#185303
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They found all the "lost" footage
They found all the "lost" footage
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They found all the "lost" footage
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- #185097
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
yes there has its on my cousins copy of Raiders on VHS
Originally posted by: THX
There is not now, nor has there ever been a post-credits crate-burning scene.
There is not now, nor has there ever been a post-credits crate-burning scene.
yes there has its on my cousins copy of Raiders on VHS
very cool. let's have a get together. I'll bring you my ultra-rare copy of star wars from 1981 that has the biggs scene and we can have a party.
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- #184963
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184963/action/topic#184963
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Originally posted by: Jambe Davdar
I am in the process of another project at the moment.
J
I am in the process of another project at the moment.
J
Jambe,
I'd love to include that in one of my future releases. Could you contact me?
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- #184410
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- Blade Runner HDTV (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184410/action/topic#184410
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For those who are interested, I should be done with a "new" version of Blade Runner this week. TMPGenc worked. This one should do away with any of the problems people may have encountered on the last one. Plus the bitrate is higher.
If people bitch after this one, then they can kiss my ass. I'm done with Blade Runner. I'm actually having to re-do it because even though I set the bitrate to max out at 9500, it went over 10000. Not sure why.
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- #184403
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184403/action/topic#184403
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Aw, c'mon. Why'd you have to say a thing like that?
Look, this all started over the here statement that 'Raiders' wasn't changed (for lack of a better word) from it's original theatrical exhibition.
I put forth the suggestion that digitally-removing elements of the film which existed from the original print up to the DVD was, in fact, changing it, despite the fact that they were changes which did not alter the content of the film. I stand by that.
Why don't you and Neil just tell me to fuck off already...
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
No. Didn't you complain that it wasn't the right sound mix?
My god. I think we're testing how anal people can be with this.
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?
No. Didn't you complain that it wasn't the right sound mix?
My god. I think we're testing how anal people can be with this.
Aw, c'mon. Why'd you have to say a thing like that?
Look, this all started over the here statement that 'Raiders' wasn't changed (for lack of a better word) from it's original theatrical exhibition.
I put forth the suggestion that digitally-removing elements of the film which existed from the original print up to the DVD was, in fact, changing it, despite the fact that they were changes which did not alter the content of the film. I stand by that.
Why don't you and Neil just tell me to fuck off already...
Cause we like you too much
I didn't mean to insult you with the "anal" comment. I guess that if, since we're using Star Wars as an example, they had just cleaned some stuff up in SW, would anyone really be complaining? That's all they did with Indy. But because there were severe changes to all 3 of the OT, here we are. However, if they got the same treatment Indy got, I don't think any of us would be complaining. See what I'm saying?
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- #184321
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184321/action/topic#184321
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Originally posted by: Moth3r
I would think that the laserdisc 2-channel audio would be exactly the same as the Dolby mix on the theatrical 35mm prints.
Way to much attention is being focused on Indiana Jones. Those are DVDs that the studio got right. Somehow these films (and the 1982 version of ET) slipped through the cracks and didn't get mangled on DVD the way Jaws, Star Wars and Superman were.
Originally posted by: Moth3r
I would think that the laserdisc 2-channel audio would be exactly the same as the Dolby mix on the theatrical 35mm prints.
Way to much attention is being focused on Indiana Jones. Those are DVDs that the studio got right. Somehow these films (and the 1982 version of ET) slipped through the cracks and didn't get mangled on DVD the way Jaws, Star Wars and Superman were.
Agreed. Though Jaws was fixed with the 30th anniversary though.
Superman could be easily fixed with some editing.
Star Wars is another story.
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- #184290
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184290/action/topic#184290
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?
So, apart from having a 35mm print, would 'Raiders' sourced from the original laserdisc synched with the audio from the DVD be the closest thing to the original theatrical run?
No. Didn't you complain that it wasn't the right sound mix?
My god. I think we're testing how anal people can be with this.
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- #184257
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184257/action/topic#184257
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Originally posted by: THX
thanks for the info, df
thanks for the info, df
What might have confused you was that on the original P&S (if memory serves), there was a quick pan from right to left to see why Indy was startled. You might have taken that as a "turn" because the scan was so awkward.
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- #184238
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184238/action/topic#184238
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Originally posted by: THX
I didn't know the new 5.1 was taken from the 70mm/6-track - thanks, Neil. One thing that sounded very different to me (compared to memory, so...) was the part in Temple of Doom just after Indy has picked up the Sankara stones from the giant skull and before he goes into the mines - there are loud screams coming from the mines, which I don't remember from the theatrical version. Also, didn't that snake used to turn around???
I didn't know the new 5.1 was taken from the 70mm/6-track - thanks, Neil. One thing that sounded very different to me (compared to memory, so...) was the part in Temple of Doom just after Indy has picked up the Sankara stones from the giant skull and before he goes into the mines - there are loud screams coming from the mines, which I don't remember from the theatrical version. Also, didn't that snake used to turn around???
Yup...screams were always there. I had the original VHS (used to watch it once a day when i finally got it) and wore that shit out
Nope, the snake never turned around. He was just always startled by it when he came up after getting the stones.
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- #184178
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184178/action/topic#184178
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
R2 and 3PO are real.
The source for the 5.1 tracks on the DVDs was the 6 track mixes done at the time of each films release. The re-mix was done by Paramount and not Lucasfilm.
Neil
R2 and 3PO are real.
The source for the 5.1 tracks on the DVDs was the 6 track mixes done at the time of each films release. The re-mix was done by Paramount and not Lucasfilm.
Neil
Agreed. Although I've never seen 3po and r2, i know they're there.
But at least Paramount didn't kill John Williams score. That's ANOTHER problem we would run into with Star Wars and not Indy.
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- #184147
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184147/action/topic#184147
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Originally posted by: THX
Does that include the "Jewish families" line in Last Crusade?
And what exactly is the alternate staff drop sound Neil mentions?
Does that include the "Jewish families" line in Last Crusade?
And what exactly is the alternate staff drop sound Neil mentions?
That line was never in there. I believe the only place that was heard is the original storybook CD. That's another bullshit rumor.
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- #184142
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184142/action/topic#184142
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Originally posted by: THX
The DVD 5.1 mix is officially described by LFL as new. So the answer to ShiftyEyes's question lies there. It also brings up a valid preservation question, as the stereo mix is no longer available. As TheCassidy says, if it were Star Wars...
The DVD 5.1 mix is officially described by LFL as new. So the answer to ShiftyEyes's question lies there. It also brings up a valid preservation question, as the stereo mix is no longer available. As TheCassidy says, if it were Star Wars...
If it were star wars, we'd have widely varying differences between different soundtrack releases with varying sound effects and lines of dialogue. Nothing for the Indy DVD's were newly recorded nor different from the "original" release as we all know it. The rest have been debunked as conspiracy theories.
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- #184090
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184090/action/topic#184090
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Whoah, whoah, whoah...no intention of confrontation here.
In the 1981 print of 'Raiders' the Raven Bar fight was a few shots longer - basically Indy getting thrown around more. It was dropped from later prints.
Whoah, whoah, whoah...no intention of confrontation here.
In the 1981 print of 'Raiders' the Raven Bar fight was a few shots longer - basically Indy getting thrown around more. It was dropped from later prints.
Where did you get that from? I actually saw a VERY old print of Raiders the first time i saw it on the big screen a few years ago. There were no differences.
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- #184020
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/184020/action/topic#184020
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
I've seen enough vintage prints (and new prints) of Raiders over the years to know that what you are saying is entirely wrong. Caught it twice last year the theater and am going again next month. Different prints, different venues and always the same movie. No longer fights or different mixes.
How do these rumors get started?
Neil
Originally posted by: TheCassidy
Second, the sound mix on the 'Raiders' LD is different from the DVD, most noticeably in the jungle sequence at the start, and of course throughout the whole film. It's worth hearing, as I believe it is the original theatrical mix.
If only we could get ahold of the original theatrical cut (from '81, not subsequent release prints) which reportedly had a few additional scenes with Pat Roach fighting Indy in the Raven.
Second, the sound mix on the 'Raiders' LD is different from the DVD, most noticeably in the jungle sequence at the start, and of course throughout the whole film. It's worth hearing, as I believe it is the original theatrical mix.
If only we could get ahold of the original theatrical cut (from '81, not subsequent release prints) which reportedly had a few additional scenes with Pat Roach fighting Indy in the Raven.
I've seen enough vintage prints (and new prints) of Raiders over the years to know that what you are saying is entirely wrong. Caught it twice last year the theater and am going again next month. Different prints, different venues and always the same movie. No longer fights or different mixes.
How do these rumors get started?
Neil
Through posts like these.
Same here. I've seen Raiders 3 times (I believe) in the last few years. Always the same. I've seen old prints and new prints...and I will be at the same screenings as Neil.
Other than the staff sound, the rest is exactly what I've always heard. It's very possible that it was a different sound mix than you're used to. Remember the star wars issues?
And I'd love to see some comparison shots of the cleaning up. From what i know, the only cleaning up that was done was to the original film...and removing the snake reflection...which is still there but just barely.
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- #183864
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183864/action/topic#183864
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Originally posted by: skyjedi2005
what about doing laserdisc transfers of the movies themselves?
did'nt they change the audio and video on the dvd release?
Theres the full screen cav release of Raiders of the lost ark.
The letterbox versions of the trilogy.
what about doing laserdisc transfers of the movies themselves?
did'nt they change the audio and video on the dvd release?
Theres the full screen cav release of Raiders of the lost ark.
The letterbox versions of the trilogy.
They didn't touch the audio or the video of the movies. This was already addressed. Read the thread.
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- #183792
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- <strong><strong>BLADE RUNNER: The Unauthorized OFF-WORLD Box Set</strong></strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183792/action/topic#183792
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Originally posted by: tb1971
Hi!
Regarding Blade runner I have a few clipsthat might be interesting for inclusion on "The Unauthorized OFF-WORLD Box Set":
- TRAILER (3:23) This is the only segment that accompanied movie clips on EPK for BR-DC, 2nd generation off Betacam SP master
- NO GUTS, NO GLORY: 75 YEARS OF BLOCKBUSTERS (1:27) A segment from newer Warner Bros documentary, features interviews with Joel Silver & Edward james Olmos
- MTV: DESIGNING BLADE RUNNER (1:54) Bad quality 90s TV report from MTV at the movies, has exclusive interview with Syd Mead
- 15MB CD-Rom from Japanese Dokuhon BR book (only 300 books came with this lim. ed. CD rom). It has all sorts of rare photos of BR vehicles/designs
Personally, I'd love to see original EPK and all those TV interviews done during promotion of the film's theatrical release. That'd be the most valuable BR material to preserve since it probably won't ever be released on any official releases. These are the ones I know of that haven't been mentioned on the forum:
-Harrison Ford on Live at 5 New York - summer 1982
-Harrison Ford on local news program - summer 1982
-Harrison Ford on local news program "In Person" - summer 1982
-Harrison Ford on Today Show - 1982
-Harrison Ford on CNN News -1982
Hi!
Regarding Blade runner I have a few clipsthat might be interesting for inclusion on "The Unauthorized OFF-WORLD Box Set":
- TRAILER (3:23) This is the only segment that accompanied movie clips on EPK for BR-DC, 2nd generation off Betacam SP master
- NO GUTS, NO GLORY: 75 YEARS OF BLOCKBUSTERS (1:27) A segment from newer Warner Bros documentary, features interviews with Joel Silver & Edward james Olmos
- MTV: DESIGNING BLADE RUNNER (1:54) Bad quality 90s TV report from MTV at the movies, has exclusive interview with Syd Mead
- 15MB CD-Rom from Japanese Dokuhon BR book (only 300 books came with this lim. ed. CD rom). It has all sorts of rare photos of BR vehicles/designs
Personally, I'd love to see original EPK and all those TV interviews done during promotion of the film's theatrical release. That'd be the most valuable BR material to preserve since it probably won't ever be released on any official releases. These are the ones I know of that haven't been mentioned on the forum:
-Harrison Ford on Live at 5 New York - summer 1982
-Harrison Ford on local news program - summer 1982
-Harrison Ford on local news program "In Person" - summer 1982
-Harrison Ford on Today Show - 1982
-Harrison Ford on CNN News -1982
I definitely have those Harrison Ford interviews plus the MTV clip you have above. I just found a CNN clip from the DC as well. I'm sure I have a bunch of other stuff.
What's the trailer you have? it doesn't match the running time of the DC or original release trailers on my recent torrent. Do you have any of the other DC EPK stuff?
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- #183791
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- The Indiana Jones Project (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183791/action/topic#183791
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Originally posted by: tb1971
Hello!
I just joined this forum and would like to say big THANK YOU to all of you who are preserving movies and related "making of "materials. I've been a die hard "making of" collector for a while now and most precious footage in my collection is press footage featured on so-called Electronic Press Kits - EPKs that usually feature unedited b-roll and interviews (sadly, only for newer films, but sourced directly from broadcast quality betacam SP masters). My collection consists mostly of SF films like Star Wars saga, Star Trek saga, Blade Runner, 2001, Alien saga, Back to the future and newer stuff like Batman Begins, The Island, Matrix trilogy, Constantine, Lord of the Rings trilogy...). If anyone is interested in full list, let me know. Anyhow, it's good to know there is more people sharing my passion! May the force be with us...
Regarding Indiana Jones I have a few clips of very good quality that might be interesting enough for inclusion on the next Indy DVD:
INDIANA JONES: EPIC STUNT SPECTACULAR (1:47) From Disneyworld EPK
MOVIE MISTAKES: INDIANA JONES TRILOGY (2:40) Recent TV report from Croatian TV, with Croatian narration
1985 ACADEMY AWARDS (3:30) Unknown source, features short intro and segment of awarded SFX crew of TOD
Hello!
I just joined this forum and would like to say big THANK YOU to all of you who are preserving movies and related "making of "materials. I've been a die hard "making of" collector for a while now and most precious footage in my collection is press footage featured on so-called Electronic Press Kits - EPKs that usually feature unedited b-roll and interviews (sadly, only for newer films, but sourced directly from broadcast quality betacam SP masters). My collection consists mostly of SF films like Star Wars saga, Star Trek saga, Blade Runner, 2001, Alien saga, Back to the future and newer stuff like Batman Begins, The Island, Matrix trilogy, Constantine, Lord of the Rings trilogy...). If anyone is interested in full list, let me know. Anyhow, it's good to know there is more people sharing my passion! May the force be with us...
Regarding Indiana Jones I have a few clips of very good quality that might be interesting enough for inclusion on the next Indy DVD:
INDIANA JONES: EPIC STUNT SPECTACULAR (1:47) From Disneyworld EPK
MOVIE MISTAKES: INDIANA JONES TRILOGY (2:40) Recent TV report from Croatian TV, with Croatian narration
1985 ACADEMY AWARDS (3:30) Unknown source, features short intro and segment of awarded SFX crew of TOD
The last segment was included on a babyhum DVD. I guess the other two could be included in a future one if you would like. You could send me a copy, for sure, since i'm the one doing all the Indy discs. PM me?
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- #183695
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- Blade Runner HDTV (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183695/action/topic#183695
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Originally posted by: Citizen
Well it's not the first time someone has ripped off my capturing/cleaning hard work...
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
To be honest, I dont' know the source of mine. It's very possible that it's Rikters. I'm not sure. I got it from someone here a while back and it's 16x9.
Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
How's the quality on the "On the Edge of Blade Runner" doucmentary? I already downloaded Rikter/Citizen's version. Is this one worth replacing it?
How's the quality on the "On the Edge of Blade Runner" doucmentary? I already downloaded Rikter/Citizen's version. Is this one worth replacing it?
To be honest, I dont' know the source of mine. It's very possible that it's Rikters. I'm not sure. I got it from someone here a while back and it's 16x9.
Well it's not the first time someone has ripped off my capturing/cleaning hard work...
Citizen,
To say that I "ripped it off" is unfair. You've known me to be on this board for quite some time now. I honestly had no idea where it came from and if I had, I would have posted it as such. I got it years ago (I assume from you) and since there's no way of saving emails on this friggin site, I had no idea who had sent it to me. I apologize and give you FULL credit for that transfer.
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- #183551
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- <strong><strong>BLADE RUNNER: The Unauthorized OFF-WORLD Box Set</strong></strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183551/action/topic#183551
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This "isolated score" isn't isolated at all. It's still got sound effects in it if you're not using the Gongo edition.
What's the point?
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- #183514
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- Blade Runner HDTV (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183514/action/topic#183514
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i'll let you all know when I'm done.
Here's a summary of it:
The problem is, it looks like something went wrong with the pulldown removal or something else. Not sure, except to say that the "cadence" of this encode is screwed up with double-frames that don't change from one frame to the next. It's like you get frame 1, frame 2, frame 3, frame 4, frame 4, frame 5. There are repeated frames all over the place. This is very noticeable to the human eye at the start of the fourth vob file, but better yet, try opening the fourth vob in an editor or player and go one frame at a time forward. You will very quickly see the repeated frames occuring at regular intervals. Worse yet, the repeated frames look ever so-slightly different probably due to some sort of changes during the inter-frame compression of MPEG. Also, this cadence is not simply the 3:2 sequence of 24 fps film inserted into a 30 fps interlaced format. It seems something more is happening, but not sure what exactly. My guess is something happened in the workflow from capturing the interlaced 29.97 fps HDTV feed to encoding the MPEG2. There has been some discussion of this on alt.fan.blade-runner and there has also been a comparison to the DC-DVD (with an example of the cadence problem shown as an animated gif) at this page (which probably will be pulled down at some point soon, so take a look ASAP):
http://www.jv-media.com/temp/br-comparison/
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- #183512
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- <strong><strong>BLADE RUNNER: The Unauthorized OFF-WORLD Box Set</strong></strong> (Released)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183512/action/topic#183512
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BTW...that conversation with Harrison Ford disc doesn't have anything to do with Blade Runner. It's The Fugitive and Air Force One.
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- #183232
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- NOW RELEASED: The Godfather: 1901-1980 Epic Edit
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/183232/action/topic#183232
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Originally posted by: Johnny Free
Although I'm new to the world of fan edits, it seems that this community is to demonstrate the love and respect a fan has in showing how a film has moved them. I'd love to see multiple fan edits of the Godfather series. There are enough dimensions in these movies that one fan's edit will be quite different from another fan's edit, as they would both be different from Copolla's vision. These differences are, for me, a great training tool to see how the same story can be told in different ways, just in the way they are edited/re-edited, and the takes or subtitles used.
--JF
Originally posted by: Harlock415
I'd be interested in this but isn't somebody else working on or is already done with an edit on these boards?
I'd be interested in this but isn't somebody else working on or is already done with an edit on these boards?
Although I'm new to the world of fan edits, it seems that this community is to demonstrate the love and respect a fan has in showing how a film has moved them. I'd love to see multiple fan edits of the Godfather series. There are enough dimensions in these movies that one fan's edit will be quite different from another fan's edit, as they would both be different from Copolla's vision. These differences are, for me, a great training tool to see how the same story can be told in different ways, just in the way they are edited/re-edited, and the takes or subtitles used.
--JF
This isn't a fan edit.
Isn't this just a combining of all known versions?
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- #182994
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- NOW RELEASED: The Godfather: 1901-1980 Epic Edit
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/182994/action/topic#182994
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Very sure.
Neil
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
The chronological version was? Are you sure?
Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.
Neil
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
...it's a mono audio track.
...it's a mono audio track.
Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.
Neil
The chronological version was? Are you sure?
Very sure.
Neil
Not doubting you...but according to the laserdisc database, the epic version was still mono. Maybe the trilogy version was put into stereo.
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- #182924
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- NOW RELEASED: The Godfather: 1901-1980 Epic Edit
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/182924/action/topic#182924
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.
Neil
Originally posted by: digitalfreaknyc
...it's a mono audio track.
...it's a mono audio track.
Actually, this set was given a faux stereo track. And of course Godfather III is a stereo film.
Neil
The chronological version was? Are you sure? I thought the first time they were "in stereo" was the remasters set.
He's also using 4 different masters and they would all have to match at this point.
And yes, Godfather 3 is a stereo film and completely the same in all released versions on home video (which is why i'm confused about its inclusion here). I would definitely drop it as it serves no purpose.
Question: did you get a copy of the TV version beginning for 2? The version shown on TV is different from any of the home video releases.
Just some thoughts.
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- #182790
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- Idea: a 2005 King Kong edit...
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/182790/action/topic#182790
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IMHO...cut JACK BLACK out as much as you can. He ruined it for me.