Will you be torrenting as well, for those who don't "do" newsgroups?
Jedi surely won't be more difficult than the other two, considering people don't rate it nearly as high.
lordjedi said:This is what you want and it was written by one of our very own members:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/index.html
Bill Hunt is a member here?
negative1 said:backing up, you still seem to think that even with this project, the final result on a DVD-9
will not match up to some supposed clarity of a future version
Correct. It's called logic.
adywan said:I'm only doing minor tweaks to these releases. Most of them will be closer to the theatrical SE releases than they appear now (apart from Han being the only one that shoots), so replacing the new with the old emperor and replacing Hayden. If i can get hold of the TPM laserdisc then i will be doing the theatrical version of TPM instead of the DVD version we have now. but removing things like Jedi Rocks i will leave to my Revisited edits
onto the debate about the size of tvs then i have to join in this
"Size matters not"... well a lot of times it doesn't. having a bigger screen doe not mean that the picture is better. in fact a larger screen could possibly introduce artefacts that aren't even there on the blu-ray/ AVCHD in the first place, and the same goes for smaller TV's. It all has to do with the quality of the panel (how much you paid for it or the manufacturer has nothing to do with it) many LCD's over 40" are using 8 or even 6 bit screens whereas other smaller ones are using 10 + bit. this does make a difference. colours just don't blend as well and even though you would be going through HDMi/digital connections the panel displays what looks like artefacts & fringing, that makes it look like compression problems, when in fact its not the case. if you have a 10+bit 32" LCD and a 60" 8 bit panel then the 32" is the one that would win every time as that is displaying closer to the original source than the 60" one. i never judge the quality of something just by the size of it there are so many other factors that have to go into consideration with TV's before the true quality of something can be argued
Agreed. I never said size was the only consideration.
negative1 said:digitalfreaknyc said:Again, I want to get off of this subject because I certainly don't want Ady to think that i'm raining on his parade because I certainly am not. As I said previously, I absolutely LOVED the revisited version of Star Wars. I cannot remember the last time I actually sat through the entire movie and his version made me do it. He has brought back the magic of Star Wars imho.
ha ha, thats very diplomatic of you..
you criticize the rest of us with smaller TV's as being blind to the differences, and not
caring about compression, and even when there are acceptable HD versions out....
and then you turn around and praise Adywan for not using a HD source, that uses MPG2
compression, which you hate....and you ignore your initial statement, to make it sound like you're not
criticizing the quality, but you like the content?
man, you can't have it both ways...
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Uhh...dude...you really don't know what you're talking about and, like your 35mm thread, are clearly out of your league. Adywan IS using an HD source for this project. I never said he wasn't.
Funcha said:It's funny, because a lot of people automatically assume a DVD-9 just can't contain a high quality 1080p encode. It can, and I'm completely impressed with the quality of the AVCHD disks based off of Wookiegroomer's encodes. Will the Blu-Ray look better? Probably (If Lucas fixes the horrible color timing issues). I only have a 52-inch 720p DLP, though. Of course, some would consider that crap because "you can't get good quality unless you have at least 100 inches." I wonder if anyone with that mindset is ever trying to compensate for anything. I kid, I kid!
You've, again, proved my point exactly. You mention the color timing improving on the look of the eventual blu-rays. That isn't what we're talking about here. That's an artistic decision. *I* am talking about one of compression and detail which has nothing to do with color timing issues. The eventual blu-ray will absolutely positively DEFINITELY look better than anything put out on this board (save someone who has an original 35mm or 70mm print to work with). People, this is about detail. It's not about artistic decisions.
No, you don't have to have a 100" screen to see problems but they are much more obvious at that size.
Again, I want to get off of this subject because I certainly don't want Ady to think that i'm raining on his parade because I certainly am not. As I said previously, I absolutely LOVED the revisited version of Star Wars. I cannot remember the last time I actually sat through the entire movie and his version made me do it. He has brought back the magic of Star Wars imho.
Ripplin said:digitalfreaknyc said:In fact, his "revisited" was the very first (and up until this point, ONLY) fan edit I've ever downloaded and watched.
"You've just taken your first step into a [MUCH] larger world." Hopefully you'll check out some of the other 'must haves,' like Deleted Magic, Building Empire and Returning to Jedi. All discs that every Star Wars fan should own. :)
Oh I have all of those. I was referring to fanedits. Those are more "extras" to me.
negative1 said:digitalfreaknyc said:negative1 said:digitalfreaknyc said:Again, let's investigate how all of you are watching these things. Are you watching them on 42" screens? I hate to say it but there's not a single person on here that i'd trust to do an accurate review of any of these. Send them to the professional reviewers with 100"+ screens and then you'll see all the problems with the original mpeg-2 files.
i grant you of course, you can see differences on a 100" screen, is that what you have? ok..
well, i've only got a tiny 32" widescreen...so that's why i don't notice it as much..
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at 32"...even HD doesn't really matter all that much. With all due respect, you're certainly not in a position to judge.
I have a 60"...almost double yours.
well, when made your blanket statement without clarifying the conditions, that why i wrote
back with my evalution, i never said it was definitive.
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Well, again, no offense but there's really no point to HD on a small screen. I mean, i have a 32" in my bedroom and, yeah, it looks good but I'm not really judging on something that small. It just looks good. But it's the same thing as looking at some avi's on your computer. Sure, they can look good...but the bigger you blow them up, the crappier they look. Same thing here.
negative1 said:digitalfreaknyc said:Again, let's investigate how all of you are watching these things. Are you watching them on 42" screens? I hate to say it but there's not a single person on here that i'd trust to do an accurate review of any of these. Send them to the professional reviewers with 100"+ screens and then you'll see all the problems with the original mpeg-2 files.
i grant you of course, you can see differences on a 100" screen, is that what you have? ok..
well, i've only got a tiny 32" widescreen...so that's why i don't notice it as much..
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at 32"...even HD doesn't really matter all that much. With all due respect, you're certainly not in a position to judge.
I have a 60"...almost double yours.
hempler said:Think you are a little off by just saying the "Blu-ray" encode will be better than this one. Look at the difference between the 2004 DVD and Revisited. Ady's versions no matter what will probably look better than any of LFL versions of the film officially released on blu-ray unless his group does the same thing Ady is doing and fixing the color problems. And yes.....with proper encoding a 9GB version can look just as good.....mainly becasue alot of the blu-ray movies are not much bigger any way. The movies are around 12-15 GB and the extras on the rest. There are still alot of the movies coming out on the single layer blu-rays. Don't get me wrong.....there are many on the dual layer ones and the movies are much larger so the picture looks better in the dark and bright sequences. Do not discount Ady's versions as just re-encodes because I will put money on it that his versions will look better picture wise then the LFL releases.
"Better" is subjective. It's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for the detail to be better on ady's than an official.
Again, I'm not discounting ady's. I will be downloading his immediately when they're released. In fact, his "revisited" was the very first (and up until this point, ONLY) fan edit I've ever downloaded and watched. I thought it was absolutely FANTASTIC.
Again, let's investigate how all of you are watching these things. Are you watching them on 42" screens? I hate to say it but there's not a single person on here that i'd trust to do an accurate review of any of these. Send them to the professional reviewers with 100"+ screens and then you'll see all the problems with the original mpeg-2 files.
negative1 said:digitalfreaknyc said:BMadden said:Exactly. The AVCHD versions all fit on dual layer DVDs and they are absolutely "crystal clear" IMHO.
Oh yeah? what size screen are you watching it on? Just because it looks "crystal clear" and "blows away the DVD version" doesn't mean it's an up-to-snuff HD version. If you take that version and compare it to a proper blu-ray encoding, it's not going to compare. I'll guarantee that. Plus, the sound needs to be uncompressed.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great interim solution because, for the moment, that's all we have. But eventually the official release will (quality-wise) blow it away.
how in the world can you predict how well a movie is encoded? i have several HD-DVDs that
are marginally better than the DVD despite them being 1080p...... yeah, let's wait until it
IS ACTUALLY RELEASED and then talk...... not theoretically, and not hypothetically...
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How can I? Becuase the higher the bitrate, the better it's going to be encoded. There's going to be less blocking. There is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL regardless of the codecs currently used that it will look great in comparison to an eventual properly mastered blu-ray. Call it what you want but I will promise to buy you a blu-ray set if the paultry 8.7gb avc RE-encoded version will be better than the eventual official release. Save this posting.
Remember, there's the original master...and then there's an mpeg-2 encoding (or whatever the original broadcast used for this encoding was) and then there's this avc RE-encoding. That's just another generation away and mpeg-2 is just a horrendously outdated upsetting codec.
MoveAlong said:All of the trailers are included on the 4 disc EditDroid Special Features set, including professionally telecined Revenge and Return trailers, and anamorphic IIRC...
Where the hell can you download this set? I haven't been able to find it anywhere!
BMadden said:Exactly. The AVCHD versions all fit on dual layer DVDs and they are absolutely "crystal clear" IMHO.
Oh yeah? what size screen are you watching it on? Just because it looks "crystal clear" and "blows away the DVD version" doesn't mean it's an up-to-snuff HD version. If you take that version and compare it to a proper blu-ray encoding, it's not going to compare. I'll guarantee that. Plus, the sound needs to be uncompressed.
Don't get me wrong, it's a great interim solution because, for the moment, that's all we have. But eventually the official release will (quality-wise) blow it away.
negative1 said:darthflan said:vadershmader said:ADYWAN is the man. I have not jumped into the BR pit yet but hats off to him anyway.
It may be the right time to Jump in as Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull and Iron man are due out in a month or so on BR.
The Test clips look great on a 130" front projector screen. I just hope that compression wont be an issue on an 8.5gb disk. I'm really exited for this one......and Episode V revisited!
Flan
why would compression be an issue? there are plenty of 9 gig HD versions of movie using .h264 and VC-1 that are crystal clear.......
also ESB:R is no longer in HD sadly, just regular DVD quality, but it still looks good, check out
that thread for the latest samples..
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Crystal Clear? Not a chance in hell for a "crystal clear" version of any movie with 8.5 gb.
ESHBG said:Gaffer Tape said:To ESHBG and Doc, yeah, I thought about that too. It would seem very much like Lucas to try to bury news about an OOT release in order to sabotage it. But once again, think about the GOUT. I know occasionally they tried to pass off as the big selling point the fact that they were individually released, but all kinds of ads pointed to the fact that they were being released with the theatrical versions. So whatever George's exact feelings on a release of the OOT is, it didn't keep LFL's mouth shut back in 2006, so I really don't believe we can expect that this time around either. If there was a big, new transfer of the OOT, we would have heard about it by now.
Yeah but don't forget that a HUGE proponent of the OOT is no longer working at LFL. I imagine all of the fuss was because of him being there and he was able to help create said fuss over the product. Now that he is gone, though...
and that would be whom?
Erikstormtrooper said:digitalfreaknyc, can you say what your source is for this?
Someone VERY reliable at DVDtalk. It's for real.
Janskeet said:Are these going to be in Blu-ray also? If Lucasfilm just reuses the shoddy '04 version than I can't see this new OT set selling well. Lucasfilm knows better than that. There has got to be new stuff included in the OT set from what we saw in the '04 DVDs set.
Blu-ray? Not a chance in hell.
That's what I don't understand.
I thought the Original Versions included in that 2 disc set was supposed to be limited edition??
Lucasfilm is releasing both trilogies in their own 3-movie sets. 2 DVDs for each film. No idea yet if we'll FINALLY see anamorphic versions of the ORIGINAL (non-special edition) trilogy.
Anway, here's all the info I have so far:
SRP: $49.98 (per set)
Star Wars Trilogy (6 Discs)
Street Date:
04/Nov/08
Audio: English: 5.1 Dolby Surround
Episode Description:
Disc 1: Star Wars: A New Hope WS Disc 1
Disc 2: Star Wars: A New Hope WS Disc 2
Disc 3: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back WS Disc 1
Disc 4: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back WS Disc 2
Disc 5: Star Wars: Return of the Jedi WS Disc 1
Disc 6: Star Wars: Return of the Jedi WS Disc 2
Star Wars Prequel Trilogy (6 Discs)
Street Date:
04/Nov/08
Audio: English: 5.1 Dolby Surround
Bonus Features:
Disc 1: Star Wars Episode 1 WS Disc 1
**Commentary by George Lucas and company
Disc 2: Star Wars Episode 1 WS Disc 2
**Never-before-seen Making of documentary
**Never-before-seen deleted scenes documentary featuring 7 deleted scenes finished in 5.1 Dolby Digital Sound
**2 animatics with multi-angles
**5 Featurettes
**12 original web documentaries
**Music Video: "Duel of the Fates"
**Production photos, print ads, theatrical trailers, TV spots, DVD-ROM - game demo
Disc 3: Star Wars Episode 2 WS Disc 1
**Commentary by George Lucas and Rick McCall
**Easter Egg
**THX Trailer - "Cavalcade"
Disc 4: Star Wars Episode 2 WS Disc 2
**2 Documentaries - "From Puppets to Pixels"and "State of the Art: Previsualization of Episode II"
**8 deleted scenes with intros
**Music Video, Visual Specs Breakdown
**12 Web Documentaries
**4 Trailers
**12 TV Spots
**Easter Egg
**Still Galleries
**DVD-ROM links
Disc 5: Star Wars Episode 3 WS Disc 1
Disc 6: Star Wars Episode 3 WS Disc 2
**Full-length documentary produced by Lucasfilm
**2 New Featurettes: One exploring the prophecy of Anakin Skywalker as The Chosen One, the other providing an in-depth look at the movie's eye-popping stunts
**15 part collection of Lucasfilm's groundbreaking "Web-documentaries"
Wow. Where the hell did this come from?
mcfly89 said:It's called "The Godfather - The Coppola Restoration" and it's being produced by ZAP.
Click on "Coming Soon"
These are two totally different things.
And you were responding to a post from a year ago.
Any update? :)
I only want Ady's anyway. Good to hear it's coming along....albeit...slowly :)
What are you using as your master?