I know it’s been a while but i finally captured the Vudu versions, FWIW.
Wow, thanks! Do you plan on putting them on Usenet?
Nope. I know nothing about usenet.
Does anyone have the PCM tracks for the Jaws sequels? I’d like to sync them to my HD recordings.
I know it’s been a while but i finally captured the Vudu versions, FWIW.
Requiem looks like it no longer works with current versions of iTunes. I found one called M4VGear but it’s a $50 license to get it to work!
Ugh!
So you roll back your iTunes. Its pretty simple. You don’t need a new version to download it.
That’s very easily done. Look for requiem
Is it possible to block someone? I’m being harrassed on the boards, in private message and on other forums by the same member. I’d like to be done.
Your damn player which you use to make screenshots
MAKES THEM REDDISH, BLURRY & COMPLETELY REMOVE DETAILSHere is new comparison: I use VLC media player
9.57 GB 720p HDTV.720p-iQ vs Your 1080i TS
They looks same comparing details.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/162018/picture:0
Do a comparison with the second clip, big mouth.
Please sample from Kay-Michael scene. I need to check it. 😄
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:2
I don’t want to hear from you again.
https://mega.nz/#!3xVSBZzK!uwCI0_0RxABlkOCzPQHRkD2_cpaoSPYNJ7qMWrRgOnM
digitalfreaknyc, I just wanted to say thanks for making me aware this cut even existed, let alone that it was going to air on HBO. I have it sitting on my DVR and waiting for me. Thanks.
You’re very, very welcome. I hope you enjoy!
Okay, come on, guys. PM each other if you want to slug it out over what capture looks better.
I’m here because I love these films and am incredibly excited that they were finally shown this way in HD. I see no benefit in going back and forth on these points any more aside to wish digitalfreaknyc the absolute best of luck on his proposed upgrade of the 720p rip / BD theatrical footage, which is why I removed myself from the in-the-weeds part of this discussion. What he’s attempting will either prove a substantive upgrade over what’s currently out there or it won’t. I, for one, truly hope that it does. All the bickering here only distracts him from accomplishing that admirable goal. A broadcast of this historical relevance and artistic quality should be preserved in the highest quality possible. Until he’s done with his efforts, though, we have a from-the-source 720p rip of this edit that looks pretty great, which is more than any of us thought we’d have. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball, huh?
There isn’t any question that the 720p direct capture is better. I’ve NEVER disputed that. However, I keep getting berated by Marin about my version not being good enough.
Just in case a language barrier has made things unclear, let me state this again:
THERE’S NOTHING I CAN DO.
And in case you didn’t get that the first time…let me say it again:
THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO.
I have NEVER seen cable show grain. Ever. On any channel. In my entire life.
Perhaps someone out there is lucky enough to have cable that looks like that but mine has never. I’m going to see if I can get a new box this week but I don’t have the disposable income to pay for the newest box that may not yield better results at all.
As I have said oVer…and OVER…cable companies re-encode the signal at their discretion. How high (or low) that bitrate is can vary.
But the bottom line is that THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT.
Did I make that clear enough?
And since you haven’t seen it in motion, here’s a short clip from my version. If you can watch THAT and tell me there’s a major problem with it, then you’re nuts, IMHO.
https://mega.nz/#!CtsxCQpC!a9ijyAKB1Tu20eUFNG768-PB0XpGTnUlDhILvR8Zy9Y
Which one you prefer?
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161946
And you don’t see here that details is completely removed, blurry looks?
This is heavily DNR’ed.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:2
Then why did you call the AMC encoding “excellent” when it has the same issues?
How many times do I have to say that, had I “released” my recording, you’d be praising it instead of trashing it right now. The only reason you have a problem with it is because you have the 720p to compare it to.
Please stop responding. You’re embarrassing yourself at this point.
FYI speaking of cable companies re-encoding. DirecTV transmits in mpeg-4 on the HD channels and will do 1080p on some.
They do. However, I’ve known them to be far worse than digital cable. If it rains or snows, your picture can get all sorts of fucked up. At least digital cable is reliable. It’s either there or it’s not.
Upscaling 720p release from 14.5GB to 2xBD25 is really bad solution.
And for 1080i, details is completely removed, blurry, looks like upscaled old DVD or LD.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:2Let’s wait March for rebroadcast & I hope someone will make proper record and send it to you.
http://www.hbo.com/schedule?focusId=623569&productIds=392254
So there is no need to rush to complete this project.
No offense but you really don’t know what you’re talking about.
You already said that the AMC recording has “excellent” PQ when it looks pretty much the same as the HBO.
Now you’re saying it’s an upscaled DVD/Laserdisc? That’s nuts. It looks a HELLUVA lot better than that.
And I never said i was going to re-encode the entire release.
Forget it. It’s not worth arguing with you guys.
First screen & 2nd in my comparison
MPEG-TS (AVC) removing grain - MPEG-TS (MPEG-2) keep grain
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/151114
Settings in recording or something else?1080i HDTV MPEG2 DD2.0-CtrlHD
http://www.imagebam.com/image/be6b57368563075
http://www.imagebam.com/image/ee2aa5368562954Why CtrlHD Team not use new codec AVC, or MPEG2 keep grain?
In which codecs is your records?We need someone here who can explain these things.
What about to start new topic for improving HDTV recordings, tips & unexpected things?
But I need to leave it to someone else.
The recording that I’m displaying is exactly like what I’m receiving. I don’t think you’re understanding that, here in the US, ALL cable companies receive the signal from the channel. In this case, HBO sends Time Warner Cable the signal. Time Warner Cable THEN re-encodes the signal and sends it to people’s homes. As we all know, encoding is not kind to grain or detail and that’s why you get loss of both because we use MPEG-2, which is out-dated but they refuse to make a drastic change.
However, I’m sure that HBO GO is MPEG-4/AVC and it looks the same as what I just showed you.
So this is all moot. Unless someone can encode from the original signal which, here in the US, can only happen from FIOS, the 720p will have to do, unfortunately. But, again, the 1080i looks fine, as does the AMC. And no one complained when I first did that. We just didn’t have an uncompressed/raw file to compare it to. That was my point in showing the comparison.
You definitely have problems with noise reduction & reddish color.
There is no grain and untouched ts file definitely must have them.
Check your settings for recording. But why reddish color?AMC HD Rip 720p & BD 1080i
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161879
720p & BD 1080i - Picture 2
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:1And here is comparison for noise reduction, it have same effect like you have.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/151114
Again, that’s what it looks like on my TV. Has nothing to do with the way it’s being encoded.
I use the default settings on the Hauppauge when I encode. Does anyone else have it and have this problem?
I don’t know what you’re showing me in your comparison.
For further comparison, here’s the 720p vs the AMC.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161881/picture:0
And, finally, the AMC vs MY HBO 1080i
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161882/picture:0
Your first record of AMC HD Saga have excellent quality but now Epic looks really bad and 720p release (14.5GB) looks proper (colors, grain).
Why your first AMC record look proper and now Epic looks unwatchable…
So we need someone who can make or have proper record and send it to you.
Problem solved.
OK let’s get real: my version of Epic doesn’t look “really bad.” You’re comparing screencaps which is ALWAYS a dangerous thing to do. Had I released my 45GB file, you’d all be perfectly fine with it. Trust me. However, since we have a direct comparison to something that’s not been re-compressed, you’re noticing differences. However, I’d be perfectly fine watching my recording until the end of days, if there were no other alternative. And I’d be none the wiser.
In fact, I’ll bet you take that AMC recording and compare screencaps to the HBO and it will have all the same problems.
There’s nothing I can do about cable systems re-encoding their signals when they send them out. There’s only ONE system that doesn’t do that. It’s FIOS. And, unfortunately, I can’t get it in my apartment building.
I’m not acting like every shot has subtitles at all. I’m simply saying that you will have to re-encode the blu. And you will have to upscale the HBO footage. That in and of itself WILL lesson quality, however slightly. For the third time, I’ll be THRILLED to be proven wrong about this. And I’m not the one doing all the work, so more power to you, my friend. 😃
Dude. VRD doesn’t re-encode. I don’t know why you keep going on about this
As I said, I could be wrong. I’m not saying it won’t look better. I’m just questioning how much better it will look after you re-encode it to hardcode subs and upscale the HBO footage. If a 1080i straight rip of the HBO version surfaced, I’d happily replace the 720p copy I have. But that would be a direct rip from the source. Again, yours may look incredible and prove me wrong…and I’ll be happy to be wrong if that’s the case. 😃
Like I said, go do a cap comparison between the 720p and the 1080p. Stop speculating. You act like every single shot of both films has subtitles.
digitalfreaknyc said:
What are you blabbering about? Someone else can try to cap it in 1080i like I did but if their cable company re-encodes (like almost all do), it will look just like mine doesDFNYC, thanks for your efforts over the years and your attempt to capture this for us.
Maybe they did it using DVB-S?
I know nothing about DVB-S, unfortunately.
Like I said: these guys seem to be full of crap. Why would they be looking for a “proper” 1080i, considering their 720p had to be sourced from one.
I can’t believe that no one want to share 1080i with you, not even upload anywhere else, damn, it’s broadcast few times in whole USA. It was even available On Demand.
If this is true, then we don’t need to worry.
The Godfather Epic HBO
http://www.hbo.com/schedule?focusId=623569&productIds=392254
TelevisionThursday, March 3, 11:00PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST Friday, March 4, 2:00AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST Sunday, March 20, 9:00PM ET - HBO SIGNATURE EAST Monday, March 21, 12:00AM ET - HBO SIGNATURE WEST Friday, March 25, 10:45PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST Saturday, March 26, 1:45AM ET - HBO ZONE WESTBut still I can’t believe that no one want to share damn 1080i record over most famous Fans-World site. Shame, shame, shame.
What are you blabbering about? Someone else can try to cap it in 1080i like I did but if their cable company re-encodes (like almost all do), it will look just like mine does
Hey, I’m not telling you how to spend your time, lol, if you want to replace the HBO theatrical footage with the blu-ray footage, hardcode that to match the extra scenes, and upscale the HBO shots to 1080p, be my guest. I was just pointing out that, in the end, I’m not quite sure what it is that’s going to be gained through doing all that. Maybe it’ll look tons better and I’ll eat my words. :: shrug ::
If that’s the case, then why did you want it so badly in the first place?
You could easily see the difference by comparing screencaps of the 720p and the blu-ray
Yes. If you’re re-encoding, you’re reducing quality, period. It’s like up sampling an audio file to a higher bitrate. You don’t gain anything. You actually LOSE a slight bit by altering it in the first place. I can make a 192kbps MP3 into a 320kbps MP3, but I’m still creating a copy of a copy, and the upsampled file will actually lose quality compared to the original. Make sense?
I’m aware of that. However, I’m going to dare you to see a difference.
There is a very big difference between going from 192 to 320.
However, as we’ve seen, there isn’t as big a difference between 720 and 1080. To be honest, had I not posted those screencaps, I doubt anyone would have had a problem with the 1080i version, had I posted it.
So what, would you upscale the HBO footage to 1080p? Wouldn’t that marginally reduce quality?
How would upscaling reduce quality? Does it for Harmy?
I don’t know, the 720p looks so strong that I feel like recreating every transition and doing all of the editing over again just to use the blu-rays for the non-extra scenes would be pretty pointless. IMO. If a 1080i version doesn’t surface, I’m more than pleased with the 14.5GB 720p version. It is an unofficial version of the films, after all. If I had a choice of watching the 720p as-is or a version spliced together between the blu-rays (which look better than the 720p) and your 1080i rip (which looks worse than the 720p), then it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other. Add to that re-worked transitions that may or may not be as perfect and smooth as HBO’s, and I really don’t see the reason for doing all that. I’d probably wind up watching the 720p in the end anyway. At least the quality is consistent throughout.
No. I’d use the HBO version for transitions. Everything that’s NOT in the BD’s, would be the HBO. So 90% would be the BD’s with the 10% being the 720p.
I wouldn’t use mine for anything
Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.
This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.
“Date: 2016-01-18”
“1080i will come, checking to see if we can get a better
source…” (NFO)
I know. That’s what I said. Why would you check to get a better source when you’ve clearly sourced your 720p from a 1080i. All they did was downgrade it.
However, this may all be moot. I’m thinking of just re-editing the whole thing together. Think of it as the Harmy version of The Godfather Epic. Just splice the parts together from the official blu-ray that are from the original films and upscale the Epic-specific transitions and scenes.
I’m sure it would take me forever but it would yield better results than what I got, unfortunately. The funny thing is that it doesn’t look bad at all. It’s just that it looks worse than the 720p. If we didn’t have that comparison, I’d be fine with it.
Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.
This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.
So I finally captured this today and, well, the results weren’t good
Here’s the comparison between the 720p version that’s been released (14.5GB) and my 1080i from my Time Warner digital cable.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:0
I tried using BOTH Hauppauge machines that I own but it doesn’t matter. It’s the source material going into the box. I even tried the HBOGo version and it still doesn’t have the detail that this 720p version does.
I would suggest that if ANYONE knows the people who originally captured this that they beg for a 1080i release. I have a feeling that, however they got it, they got it from an uncompressed HBO feed, which is why it’s so clear, even for a 720p version.
I’m bummed. Seriously.
Video will be slightly higher (slightly higher bitrate), but the biggest difference is audio - the MKV includes higher quality main soundtrack (lossless, I believe - at least in the cases of SW and ESB) and several more tracks for different languages.
So not REALLY worth the investment in a Blu-Ray burner then? Sound isn’t amassive issue to me as I only play through a sound bar or TV Speakers anyway.
I work in a theatre and got some friends together to watch SW 2.5 AVCHD on the BIG screen. I couldn’t A-B it with the MKV, but I seriously had ZERO complaints. Not sure if it’s worth the investment. Unless you want the extra gigs to be able to have a BR with a fancy menu and extras, etc…
This sounds amazeballs to me. I really wish I could have that experience. Is it as simple as just hooking up a player to the projector there?