digitalfreaknyc

marin888 said:

I can’t believe that no one want to share 1080i with you, not even upload anywhere else, damn, it’s broadcast few times in whole USA. It was even available On Demand.

If this is true, then we don’t need to worry.
The Godfather Epic HBO
http://www.hbo.com/schedule?focusId=623569&productIds=392254
Television

Thursday, March 3, 11:00PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Friday, March 4, 2:00AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST
Sunday, March 20, 9:00PM ET - HBO SIGNATURE EAST
Monday, March 21, 12:00AM ET - HBO SIGNATURE WEST
Friday, March 25, 10:45PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Saturday, March 26, 1:45AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST

But still I can’t believe that no one want to share damn 1080i record over most famous Fans-World site. Shame, shame, shame.

What are you blabbering about? Someone else can try to cap it in 1080i like I did but if their cable company re-encodes (like almost all do), it will look just like mine does

Croweyes1121 said:

Hey, I’m not telling you how to spend your time, lol, if you want to replace the HBO theatrical footage with the blu-ray footage, hardcode that to match the extra scenes, and upscale the HBO shots to 1080p, be my guest. I was just pointing out that, in the end, I’m not quite sure what it is that’s going to be gained through doing all that. Maybe it’ll look tons better and I’ll eat my words. :: shrug ::

If that’s the case, then why did you want it so badly in the first place?

You could easily see the difference by comparing screencaps of the 720p and the blu-ray

Croweyes1121 said:

Yes. If you’re re-encoding, you’re reducing quality, period. It’s like up sampling an audio file to a higher bitrate. You don’t gain anything. You actually LOSE a slight bit by altering it in the first place. I can make a 192kbps MP3 into a 320kbps MP3, but I’m still creating a copy of a copy, and the upsampled file will actually lose quality compared to the original. Make sense?

I’m aware of that. However, I’m going to dare you to see a difference.

There is a very big difference between going from 192 to 320.

However, as we’ve seen, there isn’t as big a difference between 720 and 1080. To be honest, had I not posted those screencaps, I doubt anyone would have had a problem with the 1080i version, had I posted it.

Croweyes1121 said:

So what, would you upscale the HBO footage to 1080p? Wouldn’t that marginally reduce quality?

How would upscaling reduce quality? Does it for Harmy?

Croweyes1121 said:

I don’t know, the 720p looks so strong that I feel like recreating every transition and doing all of the editing over again just to use the blu-rays for the non-extra scenes would be pretty pointless. IMO. If a 1080i version doesn’t surface, I’m more than pleased with the 14.5GB 720p version. It is an unofficial version of the films, after all. If I had a choice of watching the 720p as-is or a version spliced together between the blu-rays (which look better than the 720p) and your 1080i rip (which looks worse than the 720p), then it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other. Add to that re-worked transitions that may or may not be as perfect and smooth as HBO’s, and I really don’t see the reason for doing all that. I’d probably wind up watching the 720p in the end anyway. At least the quality is consistent throughout.

No. I’d use the HBO version for transitions. Everything that’s NOT in the BD’s, would be the HBO. So 90% would be the BD’s with the 10% being the 720p.
I wouldn’t use mine for anything

stretch009 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

stretch009 said:

Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.

This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.

“Date: 2016-01-18”
“1080i will come, checking to see if we can get a better
source…” (NFO)

I know. That’s what I said. Why would you check to get a better source when you’ve clearly sourced your 720p from a 1080i. All they did was downgrade it.

However, this may all be moot. I’m thinking of just re-editing the whole thing together. Think of it as the Harmy version of The Godfather Epic. Just splice the parts together from the official blu-ray that are from the original films and upscale the Epic-specific transitions and scenes.

I’m sure it would take me forever but it would yield better results than what I got, unfortunately. The funny thing is that it doesn’t look bad at all. It’s just that it looks worse than the 720p. If we didn’t have that comparison, I’d be fine with it.

stretch009 said:

Nick66 said:
Hopefully, whoever uploaded that 720p will put a higher bitrate 1080i out there; luckily, the 720p looks pretty damn good.

They said in there NFO that they are planning on uploading a 1080i version but it would take them a ‘while’.

This confuses me. Why would they need “a while” when they clearly sourced the 720p from it. Just upload the original file and it’s done.

So I finally captured this today and, well, the results weren’t good

Here’s the comparison between the 720p version that’s been released (14.5GB) and my 1080i from my Time Warner digital cable.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:0

I tried using BOTH Hauppauge machines that I own but it doesn’t matter. It’s the source material going into the box. I even tried the HBOGo version and it still doesn’t have the detail that this 720p version does.

I would suggest that if ANYONE knows the people who originally captured this that they beg for a 1080i release. I have a feeling that, however they got it, they got it from an uncompressed HBO feed, which is why it’s so clear, even for a 720p version.

I’m bummed. Seriously.

Skyfocker said:

mheath182 said:

analog said:

Video will be slightly higher (slightly higher bitrate), but the biggest difference is audio - the MKV includes higher quality main soundtrack (lossless, I believe - at least in the cases of SW and ESB) and several more tracks for different languages.

So not REALLY worth the investment in a Blu-Ray burner then? Sound isn’t amassive issue to me as I only play through a sound bar or TV Speakers anyway.

I work in a theatre and got some friends together to watch SW 2.5 AVCHD on the BIG screen. I couldn’t A-B it with the MKV, but I seriously had ZERO complaints. Not sure if it’s worth the investment. Unless you want the extra gigs to be able to have a BR with a fancy menu and extras, etc…

This sounds amazeballs to me. I really wish I could have that experience. Is it as simple as just hooking up a player to the projector there?

Memorex said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

At the risk of getting bashed for this, I’ve talked to several people who, like myself, have calibrated monitors and we all agreed that the contrast/brightness on both Empire and Jedi is way low, for some reason. SW looks perfect but both Empire and Jedi just seem to be quite dark. Did something change there?

I’ve had similar issues with certain movies looking a bit dark on my calibrated monitor, but look just fine on my calibrated tv?

It looks very dark on both. Certain Jabba shots are far too dark.

At the risk of getting bashed for this, I’ve talked to several people who, like myself, have calibrated monitors and we all agreed that the contrast/brightness on both Empire and Jedi is way low, for some reason. SW looks perfect but both Empire and Jedi just seem to be quite dark. Did something change there?

Harmy said:

EGOvoruhk said:

CatBus said:

Harmy’s always tried to make his encodes Blu-ray compliant in the past. I suspect the creation on non-compliant streams will be left to the re-encoders out there.

Then how about a request for a proper full sized Blu-ray image, or a “master” sized MKV, like TN1 is planning? That way encoders could encode from a proper source, rather than a re-encode. I don’t mind encoding it myself, but an encode of an encode is never good

If your 2.35:1 TV doesn’t have a function to zoom in letterboxed video, so that it fits exactly I’d be very surprised, because that would be incredibly stupid, since all 2.35:1 Blu-Rays are released with black bars, and even all streamed media on iTunes, Netflix and Ultraflix and such have them AFAIK, so without this function there would be zero point to such a TV from the legally purchased media point of view.

Also, my master-file for the 1080p release would be somewhere around 300-400GB with my current AVI masters but since I’m planning to move to image sequences for master for v3.0, the master will probably be more like 1TB.
So I’m not likely to release that and anything else would already be a re-encode

Actually, believe it or not, iTunes 2.35 movies have no black bars.

towne32 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Harmy said:

joefavs said:

Watched this last night, and good lord does it look wonderful. All of the 35mm stuff is integrated so much more smoothly than it was on the workprint. Now I’m really hoping that debated SW 2.6 actually happens, because this near-GOUTless wonder is so far ahead of the other two.

Actually, instead of making a v2.6 SW, I’m thinking about making v3.0 a quick 1080p update for all three movies. Essentially, for color correction just upscaling the 720p masters and applying it as a chroma (color) layer over the 1080p BD and replacing the Despecialized shots with just quick 1080p 35mm cleanups and then making v4.0 the final polished versions with new color corrections and more careful cleanup and rotoscoping and stuff (for SW, this would basically be almost the same as working on v2.6 and for the other two, it should be a fairly fast process, since by that point I should have all the 35mm shots ready at 1080p anyway).

I’m confused. What good would upscaling 720p be? Why not just start with the 1080p masters that we have?

It sounds like the chroma is being upscaled.

Isn’t that going to just cause confusion if a faux 1080P release is put out?

Harmy said:

joefavs said:

Watched this last night, and good lord does it look wonderful. All of the 35mm stuff is integrated so much more smoothly than it was on the workprint. Now I’m really hoping that debated SW 2.6 actually happens, because this near-GOUTless wonder is so far ahead of the other two.

Actually, instead of making a v2.6 SW, I’m thinking about making v3.0 a quick 1080p update for all three movies. Essentially, for color correction just upscaling the 720p masters and applying it as a chroma (color) layer over the 1080p BD and replacing the Despecialized shots with just quick 1080p 35mm cleanups and then making v4.0 the final polished versions with new color corrections and more careful cleanup and rotoscoping and stuff (for SW, this would basically be almost the same as working on v2.6 and for the other two, it should be a fairly fast process, since by that point I should have all the 35mm shots ready at 1080p anyway).

I’m confused. What good would upscaling 720p be? Why not just start with the 1080p masters that we have?

Harmy said:

I went to teh, I searched (simply, no advanced search) “harmy” and it was the third link in the results. Then I went and searched “despecialized” and same thing. But with the TUIG guide linked in the first post, you don’t even need tehp.

I was looking for a new post OR an updated post. Never thought to look at a first post to see updated links there. Regardless, I got it from Spleen anyway.

Thanks!!!

stretch009 said:

dogdoctor said:

Wazzles said:

When someone downloads it from wherever Harmy uploads it to then uploads it themselves. So it just depends on how long it takes them to download it, really.

Ah. I thought Harmy just did a direct drop to the main sites. But that explains why the various versions there are not all uploaded by the same user. Makes sense now. Thanks for the clarification. Back to patiently waiting…

No need to wait, it’s at Tehparadox right now.

No it’s not. I checked.

RDPlissken said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

mrbarbar said:

Does anyone know if there is a 1080p version available yet?

There won’t be a 1080p because there is no 1080p. 1080i is the broadcast.

Isn’t there any 1080i capture file in circulation yet?

Not from what I’ve heard. Does anyone know?

mrbarbar said:

I don’t live in the US so please forgive my ignorance. Does HBO broadcast in 720p and 1080i?

1080i

mrbarbar said:

Does anyone know if there is a 1080p version available yet?

There won’t be a 1080p because there is no 1080p. 1080i is the broadcast.

marin888 said:

It will take some time, just need to follow movies, cut piece by piece out and sync them.

Who say there is no retail subs… check it out…
English Subs from extras DVD/BluRay cover 46 min of additional scenes, not included GF 3. So there will left few minutes to transcript to complete subs, I mean for full English subtitles.

BTW
RetroGamerGuy10 January 18, 2016 at 6:11 PM @ godfathermuseum

There’s a new 14.5GB 720p HDTV recording from the scene group BATV out now. They claim 1080p is coming soon, and they’re just making sure they’re using the best source/recording possible. Anyone with an IPT account can corroborate this with a simple search 😃

I have no idea what IPT is.
If that’s the case, then I’m not going to rip mine just yet. I’ll wait and download.

Wow. That’s going to be insane, considering there is no retail for this version.

Does it have subtitles?

marin888 said:

And here it is 😎

The.Godfather.The.Complete.Epic.1901-1959.HDTV.720p-iQ.mkv (Size: 9.57 GB)
http://i.imgur.com/32rsqVH.jpg

That is wayyyyyyyy lower quality than mine will be, that’s for sure. Is there a 1080i version?

The Aluminum Falcon said:

digitalfreaknyc said:
And there shouldn’t be any issues. It’s a straight recording. ANd, if this were a typical release, I’d say “let’s do two different releases.” However, this is going to be (probably) around 50 gigs. It’s not something that I feel like uploading twice, nor do I think people are going to download it twice.

For clarification, I believe the suggestion was to upload the captured video file now (50 GB or so) and then upload the synced LD PCM (2 GB maybe?) by itself when it’s done. Of course, if you’re planning a full BD with menus for this release, it would make it more difficult for people downloading to later remux with the PCM.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the LD PCM is a priority. The 5.1 track that HBO had sounded good enough to me, and, furthermore, V1 of this release, using the AMC broadcast, also did not feel teh need to include the LD PCM.

I’m not uploading a file. That’s not the way I do things. I already said it’s going to be a full Blu-ray release.
I didn’t include a PCM track for the AMC broadcast because there is no PCM track available for it. That’s the TV version.

The 5.1 track is a remix and certainly not the original mono as was intended. I’m a big sound person (always, over PQ) and I think that people would prefer the original mono.

marin888 said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Since this one has a 5.1 track (restored!!), does anyone have the original PCM track from the laserdisc? I’d be interested in syncing it for the release.

That would take some more time.

I’m for BD as it is broadcasted, and later if/when someone preserve re-synced original PCM track from the laserdisc can be easily muxed to BD.

So there is no need to hurry for preserving LD audio, in this way we can get it proper without issues (always something can go wrong), like: V1 fiix this, V2 fix that…

Is possible to extract full English subtitles?

There are no external subtitles. Everything is burned in.

And there shouldn’t be any issues. It’s a straight recording. ANd, if this were a typical release, I’d say “let’s do two different releases.” However, this is going to be (probably) around 50 gigs. It’s not something that I feel like uploading twice, nor do I think people are going to download it twice.

Croweyes1121 said:

I don’t, I’m sorry. I never actually owned the Epic. I have the 1901-1980 laser, but that wouldn’t serve well for this project. BTW, would you have any interest in taking that off my hands? I can’t watch it anymore (don’t have a player anymore), but never had the heart to part with it until now.

BTW, I’m planning a get-together to screen the entire Trilogy with this as a base. No rush, but just out of curiosity, how long is the typical turn-around on your releases? Again, THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart for doing this, man. You’re a legend!!

I don’t know, to be honest. If someone has the laser, I’d love to sync it up. That would take some more time.
There are some significant differences between the AMC version and this one so I’d like to go through and edit those together for the “bonus” part of the disc. Kay no longer lights candles at the end either.

Croweyes1121 said:

Oh. My. God. Freaking everything is here. This is truly the Holy Grail. I’m just skimming through. Violence all intact. The 1917 title card is there. Vito revenge scenes are IN ORDER instead of being moved later during Part II like in the 1901-1980 version. Anthony’s ceremony at the beginning of Part II is there. Just freaking BEAUTIFUL. I can’t believe I’m actually seeing this.

Another reason to do a disc: the TV version had a different opening for 2.

Since this one has a 5.1 track (restored!!), does anyone have the original PCM track from the laserdisc? I’d be interested in syncing it for the release.