Hal, since I’m assuming you are keeping the scene as is in the edit, do you know which video editors can program LUT’s so that I could add back in some things later to fit in the lut used for this project?
Out of curiosity what are you adding back in?
And that was the resolution last time this was vetted. I think Finn “teleporting” is a non-issue, and his lack of highlighting in the scene is the only real issue. And it’s something that, while odd, probably wouldn’t have caused us to bat an eye in the theater.
Also, I don’t think moving the horse shot works. It feels even weirder. So I think what we got last time around stands.
Yeah it probably doesn’t, it was just a thought. I appreciate you looking into it though 😃
Just realized that since I’m planning on adding a few things back in that were cut (Rey and Finn’s chat about Poe at the start, Rey holding the dagger to see the Throne Room location, etc.) I’m going to need to match them in color correction. How would I do that on my own? I’m pretty inexperienced in video editing
That’s what I’ve been thinking about a lot. I don’t have the hardware or the software to try to add things back into the edit when it’s completed that didn’t bother me and I think are necessary (pretty much just the Lightspeed skipping conversation)
Honestly though I think if you showed the scene with a reference to Lightspeed skipping to anyone who hasn’t seen the movie before they wouldn’t think it was anything bother than what they saw
I think a simple recontextualization of the line is in the best interest of first-time viewers and us watching this edit in like 4-5 years.
But leaving out the actual event… I completely understand that.
I think as Poe and Rey are talking we see several shots of either closeups or tight medium shots. So there’s plenty of time for Finn to walk up. I think it’s better this way than lightspeed skipping dialogue that doesn’t make sense if the TIEs don’t follow them into hyperspace. The only other way is to leave the scene untouched and to assume the term refers to jumping to lightspeed either through the ice or without calculations.
The horses arriving is a little abrupt but has to be that way to remove the compass.
I don’t think assuming lightspeed skipping, as referring to jumping through an ice wall without calculation, is a difficult logical jump to make. It would fit in with the rest of the technological babble that is commonplace in science fiction (including Star Wars.) We wouldn’t need an explanation of lightspeed skipping since we saw them do something that we hadn’t seen before, specifically lightspeed ramming through a wall and surviving. This alone would be considered lightspeed skipping in the context of this edit.
My issue with Finn walking up is that we can clearly see in the shot before he arrives that he is not there. It is not as if the shot where he is there he is just walking up, but he goes from not there to standing there as if he had been there this whole time without introducing himself. Rey would want to see him since we know from TFA and TLJ that their relationship is important to both of them. For Finn to return from a mission and Rey not acknowledge him at all doesn’t work for me.
With the horses, I get it, it is unfortunate though. I do think rearranging just two shots could make it flow better. I’m at the mechanic right now but I’ll try to explain my thought.
We see Rey looking over the Death Star wreckage after the Sith Whispers
We then see that one 2-second shot of the horse close-up coming over the hill
We then hear Poe say his line and pull up his blaster
We then see the shot of Poe’s blaster up with Janna coming down the hill
We would have to remove the 2-second shot from this point to fit continuity,
The scene then continues with no additional cuts.
To make this easier, perhaps removing Rey looking over the wreckage with the 2-second horse shot would allow for little audio adjustment.
- Removed Rey using the dagger as an impossible compass while surveying the wreckage of the second Death Star. Sith whispers have been added strategically to imply the dagger mystically guiding her to the Wayfinder✅
Okay so I’ve been pouring over this specific transition for a bit and it is so jumpy. Unlike TFA:R or TLJ:L there seem to be moments in this edit where cuts are made but the transition needed because of the deleted scene is jarring, even for first-time viewings. Another example of this is Finn showing up randomly during Rey and Poe’s argument when the Falcon Lands. It’s almost like people have gained the ability to teleport distances of about a foot or two, the in-scene continuity is lacking.
For this scene, if the horses are shown before Poe turns around and points his blaster it might justify his apparent teleportation better.
So the scene with the blade and whispers ->
then that quick shot of the horses coming over the hill (it is a close-up, which is awkward, but it would still work) ->
Then Poe turning and pointing his blaster, then the scene could continue from there.
As for the lightspeed skip conversation, I know we discussed this before, but making that cut removes the concept of lightspeed skipping yet makes that scene suffer by teleporting Finn which just seems like an edit for edits sake. As is it is just too obvious that a scene was cut introducing Finn into the conversation.
EDIT: Looking at the Falcon landing scene again Poe teleports a couple of feet in front of Rey also when Finn shows up (since we have that shot of BB8 watching them argue.)
There’s not a problem with the music chosen for that scene, what is a bit irking to some is that immediately after it plays it plays again.
My only issue with the music right after “I am all the Jedi” is that once that music bit Ends it just repeats slightly slower. It is such recognizable music that it’s impossible to miss
I would love to see this! Many edits that incorporate sc38 leave the cringe dialogue so this would be interesting
Are there any differences between this and the film we got is 05?
Somehow it was done, maybe a little slower but it looks amazing!
JEDIT: would it be possible to have it move down frame so it can call like Bespin and Jakku? Not necessary just a thought
That switch with the slow down is so much better! I think the Naboo shot needs some sound though since Bespin and Jakku both have sound.
Sorry for the quick small posts but should the shot change from Coruscant to Naboo right on the swell of the music? I don’t know if that type of editing works for a film, my only experience is Music Videos
JEDIT: Or a beat after where it comes in would work too
The purpose of the shot’s inclusion in the first place was to not have to mangle the music edit due to moving the Endor shot earlier in the film, I’m not sure there’s a way to make that work smoothly.
You wouldn’t adjust the audio at all, just shortening or lengthening different shots, leaving the audio alone.
Sorry for the quick small posts but should the shot change from Coruscant to Naboo right on the swell of the music? I don’t know if that type of editing works for a film, my only experience is Music Videos
JEDIT: Or a beat after where it comes in would work too
With the Naboo clip all I think one would have to do is slow down the entire shot by half and it would fit sooo much better.
Guys there are discussion threads for this…
My only worry with the LUT is the color of Kylo’s saber on the Death Star
Circling around back to the discussion of how the LUTs looked when applied to the film.
During the Death Star fight, Kylo’s saber looks more orange than red in many of the shots. This doesn’t seem to affect Exogol or Kijimi to an extent that matters, but on the Death Star it is VERY orange.
I think if the visual is too subtle only nerdy forum geeks like us will pick it up. I think it needs to act as clear visual shorthand for “it was broken, now it’s fixed, but imperfectly” and I think the kewlfish version accomplishes that.
Hello all, I’ve been on a trip so I haven’t had the chance to work on the Crackle saber but I just returned home a couple days ago and have gotten back to work on it. Here is a very, very early test on Rey vs Kylo in the Force Dyad Lightsaber fight (so early that the entire scene isn’t finished yet lol) but I just wanted to update y’all on progress.
https://vimeo.com/442558780
pw - faneditAs always, any issues that stick out to y’all, let me know. This is a super early test though so I haven’t really applied any polish to it yet.
Good to have you back! This looks great! Seeing the two crackling sabers in the same shot is selling me even more on the effect you’re doing.
The only issue I spotted while watching on Mobile is when Rey lifts her saber and tells Kylo “You’re lying” the mask used lasts for a couple frames too long and overlaps over Kylo’s face when it cuts to his face.
This is very promising indeed
Any discrepancies between events in the canon material are just a result of the story being told from two different viewpoints. For example, the last arc of The Clone Wars and the Ahsoka novel do not agree on the conversation Ahsoka had with Maul and the circumstances around their encounter. I believe that the events we see on screen are the correct ones, yet the only reason the novel and the show disagree is that Ahsoka doesn’t remember the events correctly in her telling of the story.
This is also why the Novelizations can sometimes disagree since the story is being told by a different in-universe entity than the movie. A history book can’t be 100% correct all the time. It is not protective to freak out over retcons and contradictions. Instead, gather all the information and decide for yourself whos account of the events was most correct.
Honestly, every time I watch the OT I watch a different version. Sometimes I pop in my Blu-Rays and watch the 2011 cuts, sometimes I watch Despecialized, sometimes I watch Revisited. Sometimes I watch a different version of each, like DE Star Wars, RV Empire, or 2011 ROTJ. The only versions I haven’t watched yet are the D+ versions.
Could I get a link?