darthrush

MalàStrana said:

You do realize that most of the ridiculous plot issues (such as Super Leia or Deus Ex BB8) is impossible to remove without creating massive continuity issues ? (at some point you’ll have to accept that or do with the ST what most people here have done with the PT: forget it ever happened…)

Umm, no.

You cut from the explosion to the hospital bed, which is easy to connect the dots. You also get the speech which summarizes what happens from Holdo and how Leia was the one lucky survivor.

And you can easily cut from Phasma showing up to Finn grabbing the electric baton and then them fighting. You still see right after that, the troopers firing on Rose from different angles so it’s not like the troopers would be there and then gone. Then you cut Rose and BB-8 on the walker after the fight and just cut from Phasma dying to their ship leaving.

Both big issues can be easily removed with zero continuity issues. Most issues with this movie probably can.

ziggyonice said:

LordZerome1080 said:

Could someone please replace the Yoda with a non-creepy puppet.

I actually liked the puppet because it’s the same as from rotj.

The puppet looked slightly off in the long shots (not even awful like some said) and when you get the close up shots it looks absolutely perfect. No hyperbole there, it looks like a carbon copy of ROTJ Yoda.

To everyone who sent PM’s:

Apologies for forgetting to get back to ya’ll. My school gets out for winter break this Wednesday so once that happens I can upload this and will send a link to everyone who asked. Sorry, I have 3 tests in the next few days and school has been overpowering.

So you can expect a PM with a link by this Saturday.

Also be prepared for the eventual Last Jedi - Remastered edit which will be pretty extensive. Probably including deleted scenes, rescoring, restructuring and heavy cutting. You can expect a dedicated thread for ideas and test clips once the blu ray comes out in April.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
5. After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

I like this. Was BB8 in the walker the only stupid BB8 moment? I remember leaving the theater thinking they made him very ridiculous in this movie, and the ATST scene was definitely one of the reasons. Are there other scenes like this? I seem to remember more than one, I just don’t remember what was it.

Your correct that there are more similar moments. BB-8 having coins put in him is one which will be cut in my eventual edit. As well as him shooting coins at a guard. All of that is gone when you jump from DJ leaving the prison, to the ship leaving the planet. This also means you don’t see BB-8 popping up out of the ship that rescues Finn and Rose. Those are really all the ones I can think of in addition to cutting EVERYTHING else of BB-8 in the ATST. Would it work to cut the black/first order version of BB-8 from the film as well. I hated any of the goofy droid stuff.

EDIT: And for the phasma fight I would cut him saying “hey there” or something like that and hitting her on the head. It would be quick and out of nowhere (his knockout hit) so that the audience feels how Phasma would. I also am considering whether it’s best to keep the “Rebel scum” exchange.

Thoughts on second viewing:

I want to fanedit this so badly.

The Rey, Luke, Kylo, Snoke, Poe, and Leia stuff all works so very well.

But this movie is too long. I am dying to start hacking away at Canto Bight and much of the humor. The second viewing overall just made me want to fanedit this more and see the deleted scenes.

I might just be me brain farting but what is the status on the fixed hood shots of Kylo for the snoke scene?

After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
5. After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

1. ESB
2. ANH
3. TLJ
4. TFA
5. ROTJ
6. RO
7. ROTS
8. TPM
9. AOTC

TV’s Frink said:

One of the more entertaining things on this site when TFA came out was the people complaining how terrible the score was.

Kylo’s, Rey’s and the Resistance’s musical themes are classics already for me. I am forever thankful for what Williams crafted for the Force Awakens. These themes were used wonderfully for the Last Jedi.

Master Sifo-Dyas said:

Edit out Admiral Ackbar’s death. Then have him stay behind on the rebel cruiser and hyperspace into the enemy fleet.

That way he’ll go out taking yet another command ship with him, completing the circle (so to speak) and getting the noble death such a revered character deserves.

Leaving aside how impossible that would be to pull off, what would you do with one of the new main sub characters introduced in this film? (Holdo)

TV’s Frink said:

Editroid please send me a PM when you are done, thanks.

Add me in this list as well. Editdroid, any updates? It’s been practically a day already and still nothing from you.

NeverarGreat said:

Whenever I get that deleted scene from SirRidley that should be the only thing I have to do, unless I’m missing anything.

Great news! Would be super fun to watch the final version of this right before the Last Jedi over the holidays!

GlastoEls said:

joefavs said:

I saw someone on twitter say that TFA is a dog and TLJ is a cat. TFA is just easier to love because it’s more interested in being loved. TLJ is going to require some time and work.

For any Oasis fans on here, TFA is As You Were, and TLJ is Who Built The Moon?..

Oasis!

Though I do much prefer As You Were but not the Force Awakens. But spot on analogy nevertheless.

Seeing it a second time in a few hours. Will post if I like or dislike some things more than when I first saw it. Very much looking forward to savoring the Yoda scene more and it’s actual content this time around, since I was just so stunned with excitement when that scene came up the first time.

Jackpumpkinhead said:

Just found this at deadline.com

There’s a lot of movie here, though. It runs 152 minutes and moves around a lot.
RJ: We shot a lot, man. Just like any other film, it came together in the edit. The editing is the completion of the writing process. We were not at all precious about this film. We tore it apart. We ripped stuff out. There’s going to be a lot of great deleted scenes. I’m not trying to sell Blu-rays here, there are just going to be a lot of deleted scenes.
And it’s not just shots of characters walking down hallways, either. There are entire sequences that got lifted out of it, which taken on their own are some of my favorite sequences in the movie. But for the good of the whole, they had to come out. We rearranged stuff. We were constantly messing with the intercutting between the plot lines. There are very few of the intercuts that are in there as written in the script. We ended up re-engineering a lot of it during the course of editing because that’s what the edit is for. All bets are off, and you just have to make the thing work.

So hopefully there will be a lot to play with.

This news is very exciting. Rian sounds quite serious about the quality and depth of the scenes we’re getting. What I’m thinking is to use some of the good deleted scenes with Rey, Luke, Kylo and Snoke, and throw those in too beef up that plot thread in replacement for a heavily cut down version of Canto Bight. At least that’s my thinking right now.

DominicCobb said:

To me it seemed like Finn was either going to get hit before he made it, or crashing into the weapon wasn’t going to accomplish much. Basically, it seemed like he was making a sacrifice for the sake of it.

I think they made it clear that it was between him destroying the weapon and himself, or saving himself and the weapon. Rose clearly says that basically with the line of “more important to save those who we love, than defeat those who we hate”

Good point. I guess it’s just mysterious in it’s own way 😃

But a BIG and very important change I think needs to be made is how to solve the absolutely infuriating moment when Rose crashes into Finn’s ski speeder. If Luke did not show up, then her dumb move would have killed the Resistance for all we know just for what? To keep Finn alive to get a smooch and then let the First Order take him prisoner when they blow open the door and capture our heroes. But by coincidence we get Luke to show up.

Rose “saving” Finn was a First Order strategically based move and robbed us of an otherwise awesome end we could have gotten for Finn. I want to somehow fix this but don’t know how yet and would love to hear ideas. It is the one major flaw that is bugging me.

DrDre said:

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NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, it even manages to subvert the fact that it’s a middle chapter, and that’s wonderful. I am so glad that there are few obvious paths forward in this galaxy, because that means that whatever comes next will be different than any previous Star Wars movie.

It could go anywhere, with any time jump. There’s room for our heroes to have years of adventures before facing the final chapter.

Han’s death thus only becomes a stepping stone for Kylo’s ascension to the throne.

And what’s the problem with that? Han’s death and Snoke’s death play two massively important roles for Kylo Ren. Two times in which he has an seemingly impossible choice to make but he ultimately chooses to “kill the past” and ascend further into the dark side. It is interesting and new, and both deaths are done very well. More than anything, the old characters should be there to serve as foils to our new character’s.

I didn’t think Snoke death was done well. Snoke was made to wear the idiot hat, much like the Jedi were by Lucas in the PT. Kylo didn’t get where he was by cunning and his abilities, but because Snoke’s a moron.

A moron? Snoke’s plan made a good deal of sense from his angle and his overconfidence and overreaching of emotional abuse of Kylo was his downfall. That’s not stupidity.

Snoke desired to pit both Rey and Kylo between each other. To see them struggle with what side they wanted each other to be on and see the chaos to come of it. Snoke’s dialogue about seeing Kylo’s every intent, and feeling “no more conflict, but resolve” is great cause Snoke is completely right. He senses a complete feeling of no conflict, but is too blinded to realize who it is directed at. Snoke thought that abusing and ridiculing Kylo would drive him towards further greatness. That is also true. He was simply too blinded to realize it would involve his downfall.

Like another user said, Kylo achieved here what Vader originally wanted in ESB. And it was executed incredibly well with smart, foreshadowing dialogue.

Well to me if a character first claims that Kylo is split to the core, and then in an instant believes he’s no longer conflicted, and cut down like a chump, he’s a moron.

If I recall, he thought he was split to the core in one scene and then it was only when he had brought Rey to him, that he sensed the resolve. Which would make sense to me since you see the slow build up of his and Rey relationship alongside the increased abuse and frustration with Snoke.

He mentioned Kylo was conflicted multiple times. He was also the person to connect Rey and Kylo across the galaxy, so he must have continually felt Kylo’s anger, frustration, and doubts. If he can connect Rey and Kylo across vast distances, he must also have felt Kylo couldn’t kill his mother.

He set the connection and of course he sensed conflict but it was only after a ton of interaction with Rey, and inner turmoil, that Kylo had finally felt resolved. And you can’t blame Snoke for becoming too overconfident while still showing his power by knowing Kylo’s state of mind but maybe not the exact contents of it.

In all honesty, your criticism here would apply to Return of the Jedi as well. That whole third act is the Emperor saying how much Vader is on his side and it is only at the very end that Vader turns against the Emperor.

DrDre said:

darthrush said:

DrDre said:

darthrush said:

DrDre said:

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, it even manages to subvert the fact that it’s a middle chapter, and that’s wonderful. I am so glad that there are few obvious paths forward in this galaxy, because that means that whatever comes next will be different than any previous Star Wars movie.

It could go anywhere, with any time jump. There’s room for our heroes to have years of adventures before facing the final chapter.

Han’s death thus only becomes a stepping stone for Kylo’s ascension to the throne.

And what’s the problem with that? Han’s death and Snoke’s death play two massively important roles for Kylo Ren. Two times in which he has an seemingly impossible choice to make but he ultimately chooses to “kill the past” and ascend further into the dark side. It is interesting and new, and both deaths are done very well. More than anything, the old characters should be there to serve as foils to our new character’s.

I didn’t think Snoke death was done well. Snoke was made to wear the idiot hat, much like the Jedi were by Lucas in the PT. Kylo didn’t get where he was by cunning and his abilities, but because Snoke’s a moron.

A moron? Snoke’s plan made a good deal of sense from his angle and his overconfidence and overreaching of emotional abuse of Kylo was his downfall. That’s not stupidity.

Snoke desired to pit both Rey and Kylo between each other. To see them struggle with what side they wanted each other to be on and see the chaos to come of it. Snoke’s dialogue about seeing Kylo’s every intent, and feeling “no more conflict, but resolve” is great cause Snoke is completely right. He senses a complete feeling of no conflict, but is too blinded to realize who it is directed at. Snoke thought that abusing and ridiculing Kylo would drive him towards further greatness. That is also true. He was simply too blinded to realize it would involve his downfall.

Like another user said, Kylo achieved here what Vader originally wanted in ESB. And it was executed incredibly well with smart, foreshadowing dialogue.

Well to me if a character first claims that Kylo is split to the core, and then in an instant believes he’s no longer conflicted, and cut down like a chump, he’s a moron.

If I recall, he thought he was split to the core in one scene and then it was only when he had brought Rey to him, that he sensed the resolve. Which would make sense to me since you see the slow build up of his and Rey relationship alongside the increased abuse and frustration with Snoke.

Hal 9000 said:

^ I think that line was supposed to sound clunky, the way Luke would hear it.

One tiny thing I’d like to see fixed by one of us is when Luke sits down on a crate (on Crait) to talk to Leia. The crate he sits down on moves in response, when it ought to remain totally stationary. It’s the same as if when Obi-Wan sat on a log on Dagobah the log creaked and bent.
(And yes, I just got out of a second viewing in one day. And yes, I’m mentally exhausted.)

Oh, I always thought that Luke could physically interact with his surroundings if he desired which made his force projection even more powerful than a regular force ghost. Hence things like the kiss on Leia’s forehead. I feel like with Luke’s powers, that if he really wanted, he could have sliced Kylo in half. But instead, he chose to become non-physical for matters of defense.

At least that’s how I saw it. I felt like that was one of the few major differences between a force projection and a force ghost.

DrDre said:

darthrush said:

DrDre said:

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, it even manages to subvert the fact that it’s a middle chapter, and that’s wonderful. I am so glad that there are few obvious paths forward in this galaxy, because that means that whatever comes next will be different than any previous Star Wars movie.

It could go anywhere, with any time jump. There’s room for our heroes to have years of adventures before facing the final chapter.

Han’s death thus only becomes a stepping stone for Kylo’s ascension to the throne.

And what’s the problem with that? Han’s death and Snoke’s death play two massively important roles for Kylo Ren. Two times in which he has an seemingly impossible choice to make but he ultimately chooses to “kill the past” and ascend further into the dark side. It is interesting and new, and both deaths are done very well. More than anything, the old characters should be there to serve as foils to our new character’s.

I didn’t think Snoke death was done well. Snoke was made to wear the idiot hat, much like the Jedi were by Lucas in the PT. Kylo didn’t get where he was by cunning and his abilities, but because Snoke’s a moron.

A moron? Snoke’s plan made a good deal of sense from his angle and his overconfidence and overreaching of emotional abuse of Kylo was his downfall. That’s not stupidity.

Snoke desired to pit both Rey and Kylo between each other. To see them struggle with what side they wanted each other to be on and see the chaos to come of it. Snoke’s dialogue about seeing Kylo’s every intent, and feeling “no more conflict, but resolve” is great cause Snoke is completely right. He senses a complete feeling of no conflict, but is too blinded to realize who it is directed at. Snoke thought that abusing and ridiculing Kylo would drive him towards further greatness. That is also true. He was simply too blinded to realize it would involve his downfall.

Like another user said, Kylo achieved here what Vader originally wanted in ESB. And it was executed incredibly well with smart, foreshadowing dialogue.

DrDre said:

NeverarGreat said:

Yeah, it even manages to subvert the fact that it’s a middle chapter, and that’s wonderful. I am so glad that there are few obvious paths forward in this galaxy, because that means that whatever comes next will be different than any previous Star Wars movie.

It could go anywhere, with any time jump. There’s room for our heroes to have years of adventures before facing the final chapter.

Han’s death thus only becomes a stepping stone for Kylo’s ascension to the throne.

And what’s the problem with that? Han’s death and Snoke’s death play two massively important roles for Kylo Ren. Two times in which he has an seemingly impossible choice to make but he ultimately chooses to “kill the past” and ascend further into the dark side. It is interesting and new, and both deaths are done very well. More than anything, the old characters should be there to serve as foils to our new character’s.

snooker said:

Everything involving Luke (minus milking the alien) is perfect. The whole “The Rebellion is reborn” quote is badass.

That is quite literally my favorite piece of dialogue in the whole movie. And then there’s stuff like this which has to go:

“Kylo Ren is strong in the dark side and we have to stop him.”

Could there not be a less clunky way of saying that?

Jyn is an awful character. Her motivations entirely flip on their side after one hologram scene and she doesn’t change much after that. She also has zero charisma (take note of Daisy Ridley) and feels just so drained of all emotion.

8.5/10. Hopefully when fanedited up to a 9/10.