I wonder if they are realistic enough to merge into the original Star Wars. That clip looked pretty amazing.
Possible. What do we do about Rose’s injuries? I also like the kiss, I think we can utilize deleted scenes on the Star Destroyer to build up Finn and Rose’s relationship a bit more (supposedly there’s a scene where Finn tries to flatten Rose’s hair, a small character moment but I think it could be nice), but the “It’s not about who you hate, it’s about who you love” line needs to go. Finn asks her why she did that and she just kisses him without saying anything and passes out.
Oh, my plan was to cut everything showing Rose after the speeder run is done. It’s implied she is still with the resistance. Ooh, I thought of this idea just now as I’m writing but I really like it.
So here’s what would happen. Speeders are getting picked off left and right like how we see in the normal film. And before the last speeder gets shot, we see a shot of Rose looking afraid or something and then her speeder gets destroyed, cut to instant reaction of Finn, cut right to Poe saying they have to break off, and then cut right back to Finn saying “I won’t let them win” very passionately. So then his speeder run is an emotional response to avenging Rose.
So you’d kill Finn?
No, read the other change I would do with Finn that I said beforehand. The two edits would work together. I’d kill Rose, Finn would make his run at the cannon, but it would damage his ship badly enough that he loses stability and crashes to the side.
Possible. What do we do about Rose’s injuries? I also like the kiss, I think we can utilize deleted scenes on the Star Destroyer to build up Finn and Rose’s relationship a bit more (supposedly there’s a scene where Finn tries to flatten Rose’s hair, a small character moment but I think it could be nice), but the “It’s not about who you hate, it’s about who you love” line needs to go. Finn asks her why she did that and she just kisses him without saying anything and passes out.
Oh, my plan was to cut everything showing Rose after the speeder run is done. It’s implied she is still with the resistance. Ooh, I thought of this idea just now as I’m writing but I really like it.
So here’s what would happen. Speeders are getting picked off left and right like how we see in the normal film. And before the last speeder gets shot, we see a shot of Rose looking afraid or something and then her speeder gets destroyed, cut to instant reaction of Finn, cut right to Poe saying they have to break off, and then cut right back to Finn saying “I won’t let them win” very passionately. So then his speeder run is an emotional response to avenging Rose.
I like it. I’m not sure what the next movie will do with these characters, so I feel we need to show Rose get injured one way or another. This works, and shows the same themes without hitting us over the head with that clunky line from Rose.
I guess. In all honesty, I’m editing this movie as if it’s the last one of the saga. It feels a lot like one to me so for my version I would also cut everything of her after her speeder explosion to imply she died but if you want her just injured then it’s easy to do that as well.
So my idea would combine two heavily modified moments that would need to play to the audience in just the right way. I’m hoping there’s enough footage to make it work cause I like the idea.
Possible. What do we do about Rose’s injuries? I also like the kiss, I think we can utilize deleted scenes on the Star Destroyer to build up Finn and Rose’s relationship a bit more (supposedly there’s a scene where Finn tries to flatten Rose’s hair, a small character moment but I think it could be nice), but the “It’s not about who you hate, it’s about who you love” line needs to go. Finn asks her why she did that and she just kisses him without saying anything and passes out.
Oh, my plan was to cut everything showing Rose after the speeder run is done. It’s implied she is still with the resistance. Ooh, I thought of this idea just now as I’m writing but I really like it.
So here’s what would happen. Speeders are getting picked off left and right like how we see in the normal film. And before the last speeder gets shot, we see a shot of Rose looking afraid or something and then her speeder gets destroyed, cut to instant reaction of Finn, cut right to Poe saying they have to break off, and then cut right back to Finn saying “I won’t let them win” very passionately. So then his speeder run is an emotional response to avenging Rose.
An idea for Finn and his speeder run at the cannon on Crait popped up in my head. What if you have everyone tell him he won’t make it like how it is in the normal film, and then right before Rose sweeps in, we have his dragging stick stabilizing thingy (literally don’t know what it’s called), go out on him, and we use a shot of his speeder crashing from there. I wonder if modifying some of the shots through speed, camera shake, and trimming, along with a retiming of the music, plus some new crashing sfx, COULD MAYBE JUST MAYBE imply that the Cannon stopped Finn’s speeder and that he barely survived. This would show that he never had anyone try to stop him and we still get the epic moment but there’s no Rose involved and it’s kind of a “I told you so” moment from Poe’s previous warnings he gave Finn.
Why not stitch together the two scenes before and after they call Maz into one? I wish I had the script, but there should be enough there to show they need a specific codebreaker, and if you cut canto bight entirely, you don’t need to explain why they need to go there.
Finn: "No one can get in there, they scramble the shields code every hour."
Poe: “I think I know someone.”Cut to Finn and Rose leaving on the shuttle. That’s all you need.
It’s all about the dialogue. I recall him just lifting his head up and then we cut to maz but if he says “I think I know someone” then you can cut straight from there to the radar blip and then you see them pick up Poe’s call on the ship that they found a code breaker. And then you have the scene of him stealing from the ship after that before they arrive at the supremacy. You could also cut down them sneaking around (iron joke, evil BB-8, jokes).
Good thinking Handman, I think that’s the best way I’ve heard yet to cut down Canto Bight.
I guess it’s an unpopular opinion, but I think the voice itself sounds better in the second one. It doesn’t gel as well, but the actual voice is a big improvement to my ears.
After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.
My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:
- Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
- Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
- Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
- We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
- After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.
Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.
I think it can be cut down even more significantly.
– Cut Maz, cut all of the casino. Make it so Poe sends Finn and Rose off, continue with the Poe subplot, where he asks what’s going on, the next time we see Finn and Rose is on the stolen ship. “We got A codebreaker, not THE codebreaker”. I don’t remember if the scene where DJ steals from the ship is before or after that, but if it is, rearrange it so the conversation with Poe comes first.
– Show enough of the infiltration of the ship to get the gist, but cut Phasma entirely. She’s pointless. Show DJ’s betrayal “You’re wrong!” “…Maybe.” (I love that exchange). Cut everything after that, the next time we see them, they’re in the planet’s atmosphere on the ship.I honestly don’t think you miss much.
I actually like this idea except you still would need a trimmed down version of the Maz scene. She would say they need to find a codebreaker, she makes her “he can do everything” joke, and then you cut all of the stuff about the rose lapel or whatever about him on a high card table. This makes it more of a general “find the codebreaker” rather than all of this stuff about a casino. But I actually really like this idea. The more you cut, the better. And I kind of like the Phasma fight so I maybe would keep that. I consider it somewhat important for Finn to quite literally defeat his past.
Kylo’s “What girl?” can stay I think, but yeah, the rest need to go.
This.
Sorry if you already answered Adywan (or someone that knows), but will the 720p version have a PURIST version too? And is Vader going to have his lightsaber ignited from the start, and Obi-Wan ignite his in the normal time?
Vader already having his saber ignited is a reversion I would love to see as well.
- Move the throne room sequence to after The Resistance lands on Crait.
I think that’s a great idea, as that whole scene felt like the climax, even though the movie still had a half-hour left. That said, you’d have to move Holdo’s sacrifice, and come skip Phasma’s scenes entirely to allow Finn and Rose to escape before being caught, as they only survived due to Holdo’s sacrifice. This also would result in cutting out DJ’s betrayal, but if you cut out Canto Blight, you could out his character entirely.
But didn’t Holdo’s sacrifice pretty much destroyed Snoke’s ship? So wouldn’t it be weird if the throne room scene occurred with half of the ship blown up and he’s just there doing nothing and so are Ren and Rey?
Yeah it simply doesn’t hold up logically.
I highly doubt the deleted scenes will be in 4K, but I hope they’ll be sans-timecide this time.
I don’t know why but apart of me just feels that with how much Johnson adores some of these deleted scenes, there won’t be timecodes. I just can’t seem him putting up with that for extended sequences that he felt really hard to scrap.
I just realized that the (non-) reveal of Rey’s parents begs for more edits to TFA. The one that sticks out to me is Rey and BB-8’s exchange:
“Classified? Me too, big secret.”
Yeah, that line is insulting now. I’m sure other “hints” need to be cut back now too, I’d have to rewatch TFA again though.
I think maybe cut when Han is about to tell Maz who’s the girl and the movie abruptly cuts “not to reveal the mystery”.
This might be a good idea. It probably was the most obvious nod to her being someone special in the Force Awakens.
Personally, I own Premiere as well so I technically have a capable program but most definitely don’t have the necessary hardware. Maybe in a few years I’ll upgrade to a 4k setup but as of right now, regular blu-ray quality is just fine. I do think eventually that fanedits will slowly become 4k just as slowly more and more people begin building a 4k blu ray collection.
The only saber ignition sound that I noticed was Luke’s on Crait and I was okay with it because it wasn’t even real.
For TFA, the sound was usually different from the other films, though consistent with itself. Odd. I just saw TLJ a third time and I just don’t remember the saber stuff well enough. I would recommend editing out ignition sounds that are distinct from how that saber sounded in. ROTS, ANH, ESB, or TFA. Especially sounds that are closely associated with other sabers. Exception being Crait, since if all other cases are correct, it’d just be another clue about what’s is going on.
From what I remember, I think the saber ignition sound in TFA is incorrect, at least when Finn first lights it up. The same sound is made in TLJ I believe.
On a side note, I think I might try and do a 3D replacement for Luke’s lightsaber at the end. To me it just doesn’t make any sense that his blue one would be the one he would project. I mean he hand built the green one and had it a lot longer than he had the blue. I may do some mock ups just to see if I can pull it off.
I am anticipating to see what you can do very much.
This was a quote I read from someone and I agree with it very much:
Sad that in the end people just throw their hands up and say "doesn’t work for you, works for me, oh well."
Good storytelling transcends subjective solipsism. The fact of the matter is that Luke’s actions in this film were not built up to in the previous films at all, and his character is a very severe departure from what he was. He also represents a bold new moral view of this universe, from the makers of this film, which is almost too sad to describe.
Art is an extension of worldview. It taps into what matters most to us. Lucas showed what matters most to him. And what was done to that worldview, and what worldview has replaced it, is chilly in the extreme. I certainly won’t be anxious to show this film to my children, when I have them. 1-6, sure. I do not agree with the values of this film, or the worldview it presents though. It seems cynical, poisonous and nihilistic, especially in light of what came before.
You may enjoy that if you like but there is no denying the shift that occurs. Anyone who denies that shift is very likely blind to the themes of these films.I don’t want to be that guy, but I’m kind of tired of people overlooking my posts, and I do want to discuss this.
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1146676
I don’t believe TLJ is that cynical, and I liked it, and it makes me disappointed that there are seemingly only a few camps that we can exist in in terms of opinion.
I don’t think that the moral values of it are even really that different or worse from or than the OT when you think about it. I think everyone saying that the Jedi are actually evil or bad for the Galaxy because of their dogma are way off base with what the movie was trying to say.
I definitely agree with ya there. The Last Jedi’s messages and themes are pretty optimistic in my eyes.
Well, I’m hopeful for a Frink more similar to the good ol’ days. We ought to be able to let one another know if we have a problem with something another party has said in gentle, civil manner, at least as a first response. Frink has a reputation for gunning it from 0 to 60 and stifles discussion. To be honest, I’ve often refrained from posting in threads, usually posted by the uninitiated, about topics outside of his liking, just to avoid having more BS to put up with.
He’s a fun, endearing gatekeeper, and I like having him around. But he shouldn’t have such free reign to crap all over differing opinions.If I had the mad scientist capabilities he himself possesses, I’d probably set the Frink-o-meter to about 33%.
Same, I love Frink as well but recently he just became a bit more aggressive towards others who disagreed with him on something as stupid as movies.
EDIT: Wrong wording there. Movies are one of my favorite things but it is stupid to get in heated name calling over them.
Frink didn’t get heated because he disagreed about the movie. It was because of the offensive word used.
I wasn’t talking about that instance. I’m talking about how every time a person ranks ROTS too high for Frink’s liking, he had to berate them for it. I like Frink, but like Hal, think sometimes he goes too far. I am not talking specifically about that situation.
But that’s not a bannable offense, so it shouldn’t play any role in his current ban.
I never said Frink should have been banned. I like him and am awaiting for when he can come back.
Well, I’m hopeful for a Frink more similar to the good ol’ days. We ought to be able to let one another know if we have a problem with something another party has said in gentle, civil manner, at least as a first response. Frink has a reputation for gunning it from 0 to 60 and stifles discussion. To be honest, I’ve often refrained from posting in threads, usually posted by the uninitiated, about topics outside of his liking, just to avoid having more BS to put up with.
He’s a fun, endearing gatekeeper, and I like having him around. But he shouldn’t have such free reign to crap all over differing opinions.If I had the mad scientist capabilities he himself possesses, I’d probably set the Frink-o-meter to about 33%.
Same, I love Frink as well but recently he just became a bit more aggressive towards others who disagreed with him on something as stupid as movies.
EDIT: Wrong wording there. Movies are one of my favorite things but it is stupid to get in heated name calling over them.
Frink didn’t get heated because he disagreed about the movie. It was because of the offensive word used.
I wasn’t talking about that instance. I’m talking about how every time a person ranks ROTS too high for Frink’s liking, he had to berate them for it. I like Frink, but like Hal, think sometimes he goes too far. I am not talking specifically about that situation.
WarGames (1983) - 3/5
Absurd, but not stupid. Not sure if that description will make sense to anyone but myself, but it works for me. Loses half a star for the credit font choice.
Oh my, one of my teachers showed us this with our last few days of school. Pretty fun flick overall.
Well, I’m hopeful for a Frink more similar to the good ol’ days. We ought to be able to let one another know if we have a problem with something another party has said in gentle, civil manner, at least as a first response. Frink has a reputation for gunning it from 0 to 60 and stifles discussion. To be honest, I’ve often refrained from posting in threads, usually posted by the uninitiated, about topics outside of his liking, just to avoid having more BS to put up with.
He’s a fun, endearing gatekeeper, and I like having him around. But he shouldn’t have such free reign to crap all over differing opinions.If I had the mad scientist capabilities he himself possesses, I’d probably set the Frink-o-meter to about 33%.
Same, I love Frink as well but recently he just became a bit more aggressive towards others who disagreed with him on something as stupid as movies.
EDIT: Wrong wording there. Movies are one of my favorite things but it is stupid to get in heated name calling over them.
The Last Edit, opps I mean The Last Jedi.
First, allow at least a time space jump of a few months maybe a year past in between Ep. 7 and 8. It’ll solve the fanboys whining about the Mary Rey Sue complex.
Second, have a Han Solo funeral, with a cameo of Lando.
Remove Poe’s trolling Hux during the opening battle. Those insults jokes belong in a Disney MCU movie with StarLord not a Star Wars movie. How can we fear or respect the power of the villains after a scene like that?
I don’t mind the Mary Leia Poppins scene, but just to please the fanboys, show Luke doing the same thing during the final battle. To remove doubt that it can’t be done.
Do not kill Snoke, instead revel him to be Darth Plagueis and he mastermind and planned everything for Palpatine. As the First Order was to destroy the Jedi and stop the Chosen One, which he uses the dark side powers to create the false Prophet Anakin. Making Snoke Luke’s grandfather and Ren’s great granddad.
Ren and Rey’s team up attack on Snoke fails, as his guards protect him.
Rey has no parents, she IS the true Chosen One.
Remove the Casino planet scenes completely, have Rose be the hacker needed and have Maz lead the Rebels to find “DJ” for help. DJ will be the grown up version of Ezra Bridger. Del Tora’s character would have a bigger role as more soldiers to join the Rebels for Ep. 9.
Have Rey leave R2 on Ach To with Luke.
Re edit Luke raising his Xwing and leaving Ach To after sensing Leia near death.
Re edit Leia not Holdo commands the Rebel Cruiser to lightspeed thru the First Order.
Re edit Luke and Leia saying hi/goodbye as Luke’s force projection.
Re edit those Ren - Rey force skyping scenes as only voices not visuals.
Have Luke’s Xwing get shot down by Ren’s ship, when he gets to Crait for real, only for him to Mary Poppins to the ground while deflecting shots back at the At At’s destroying them and than have Luke use the force to dismantle Ren’s ship.
Have Rey and the Falcon pick up Luke, during his battle with Ren, after the Rebels retreat with the Silver Foxes.
No Cpt. Phasma, her character was wasted in both movies. Leave her dead in the garbage shoot on Starkiller Base.
No lame staple kid uses the force for the ending. That was cheesy bad.
I’m very curious how you hope to even remotely achieve half of these cuts.
It occurred to me that since we don’t see how Rey gets off the Supremacy it doesn’t really matter if we don’t see how Finn and Rose get off it, either, i.e., that it should be possible to cut Deus Ex BB-8 without interrupting the story too much.
I’ve also decided on scrapping all of Canto Bight. Transmission ends - > radar blip - > Finn, Rose, and BDT aboard the stolen ship.
Doing all of that should cut the film down by 30 minutes, which it should’ve been already.
I’m starting to think I’ll do one of the TFA too (I know there are some good ones out there) that minimizes Maz as much as possible and then combine it with the TLJ edit.
It’s a relief to think that these two movies are actually salvageable.
Could you specify more on the “transmission ends” and “radar blip” moment? I’m very curious what ways people have to remove Canto Bight entirely. My main gripe would be that we never see DJ introduced as a character.
What does everyone think of the scene they cut with Luke and Rey? After reading the details of it I actually might see why they cut it.
Question from the uninitiated - are bans permanent? This place wouldn’t be the same without TV’s Frink.
Usually it is a temp ban. Perm bans are usually for explicit racial slurs, trolls, people selling edits etc.
Been nice knowing you guys.
And that smells like a perma-ban…
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Oh my lord, this is crazy. I do admit that Frink did go too far with Dre but a perm ban sounds a bit harsh?