Apparently a woman’s been nominated for cinematography for the first time. What do we think of that?
About time, apparently it was the only category where a woman had never been nominated.
I’m very happy for the nomination as well. I must admit that I am still rooting for Deakins to take home the win. I just feel he finally deserves one and I think the cinematography in 2049 is impeccable.
As I reflect, I agree that the Leia spacewalk scene cannot be separated from her ejection into space in the first place by more than one brief scene, not the two TLJ separates them by.
And I love the idea of cutting from the shot of the Jedi tree burning after the Yoda scene to the establishing shot of Crait right before Leia tells them to close the door.
The other nice thing about moving the Yoda scene is it fits more thematically into the story. We hit out absolute lowest point as the resistance flees away, holdo dies, and Kylo declares himself supreme leader, then Yoda reinvigorates us, gives the speech about failure after all of the failures that our character went through, and then the audience feels a bit more momentum into Crait and keep Luke in the back of their mind.
Starting back in around 2009 or 2010 I had the goal to one day see all the Best Picture nominees before the awards ceremony. I finally managed this for the 2013 awards in 2014. From there my goal became to see all the Best Picture nominees before the nominations were even announced. I came really close (one off) a couple years ago, and last year I managed it easily.
This year, not only have I easily managed that, but I’ve almost managed to see every single major awards contender before the nominations (missed out on Roman J. Israel and Molly’s Game, wanted to see the former but it past me by, been trying to see the latter the past couple weeks and came very close to last night). I guess this will be my new goal next year.
However what’s pretty funny that I’m just realizing is that I’ve almost already seen every movie in every category. Not counting original song, which is a bullshit category, the only other film I haven’t seen is Victoria and Abdul (and even if you count song there are only two more).
Less impressive is animated, where I’ve only seen one, and my showing in foreign and documentary is pathetic as I’ve seen none (as for shorts it’s essentially impossible to see most beforehand).
Anyway, what’s the verdict, should I watch more movies, or less movies?
I tried to pull off this as well and came relatively close. What were some of your favorites? For me I thought that A Ghost Story went really under the radar.
Blade Runner 2049 deserved best picture nom in my opinion.
Darkest Hour only belongs in the best actor category and nowhere near best picture in my books.
And I think Jordan Peele easily deserves Best Director. If Nolan wins, I’d consider it more of an award for all his movies so far which I’d also be fine with though I don’t find Dunkirk amazing.
…out on another forum
Huh? 😮
Yeah, I’m a bit confused.
KK50, it looks like the Blade Runner 2049 blu ray has some issues with the blu ray colors. Have you looked into giving it a regrade?
You shouldn’t have left such a bloody mess mate.
I’m shocked that anyone could ever sit through the entire Holiday Special. I think I might have made it through five or ten minutes at the most.
I watch it on YouTube all the time. Bea Arthur is great. It’s definitely better than the prequels and special editions. No, that’s not hyperbole. There is nothing in the Holiday Special worse than jar-jar or that Jedi rocks musical crap.
No, it’s not better than the prequels or SEs.
Art is objective, not subjective.
The idea that there’s a skill behind filmmaking makes it not subjective but objective.
Skill used to create compelling art does not make it an objective art. Skill used to paint does not make those paintings an objective piece of art because everyone interprets art differently. If film is objective, then there is a measure in which to tell how “good” a movie is. Each film would have a certain measure of how “good” it is then and most people would technically either be wrong for thinking it’s better or worse than it actually is. And how do you know who actually holds this objectively correct opinion of the film?
TLDR: There are skills and techniques that help make a film that will have a better chance of connecting with an audience but art is subjective, and film is art therefore film is subjective.
I thought a light saber was a life saver.
I didn’t realize Han put Luke inside a tautaun. I thought Han cut into the ground, and there was some weird warm layer underneath the ice on the planet. I thought it was weird, but it’s still what I though happened.
I thought that Leia was killed by the stormtrooper who shot her on the stun setting, but reanimated with advanced science (I was four mind you.)
I thought the escape pod R2 and 3PO used was from the Star Destroyer not the blockade runner.
Oh this is bad. I thought the escape pod was from the star destroyer up until this point. This is not a good sign for my developing brain.
Hmm not bad, but the problem though is that Luke knows Rey is on board…
And then he rams the ship anyway?
The point in the theatrical is that Holdo just rams the ship not knowing that many Resistance members including Rey are inside.
Eh, I guess he could just sense it. The only big issue that I would find with making the change is that after this happens, you don’t really see much of Luke until the end of Crait and absolutely no one is questioning how the ship rammed through the fleet. You could maybe take Leia’s “Luke…” line and have her say it somehow after it happens. If there is a viable way to do it then I will rebuild all the sfx and rescore the sequence for my own edit but I’m not sure if it plasubile yet within the logic of the story.
Get Out
Oh my lord was this a ride.
Is there a way to edit it instead of commander holdo its Leia Doing the lightspeed scene.
Perhaps. It is much easier to edit Luke being the one to do it. You just repurpose the shots of him contacting Leia through the force and instead you intercut those shots with the ship turning and the First Order freaking out.
Leia on the other hand, I don’t know.
Here’s what Rian Johnson has to say about “Mary Poppins Leia”:
https://twitter.com/achisling/status/954449036769218561
Rian, it was just very odd. She should be able to use the force, but my perception would’ve been that it would’ve been in a very limited capacity due to her focus on politics and not training with the force. That wasn’t some simple force jump she did.
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/954449841957957632
Interesting. I guess the fact that she’s in zero G and that space offers no resistance meant (to me) that it wasn’t a big feat at all - kinda minimal, in fact.
https://twitter.com/achisling/status/954450600674123776
Thanks for your response. I thought about that, but then I also thought about the what kind of physical torment that being in the cold vacuum of space would do when you’re trying to channel the force? How could she focus to do that much with little to no training?
https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/954450836964306944
Cause she’s a badass muthafucka.
Actually really surprised that the director of Star Wars episode 8 is having these kinds of discussions.
And I love it.
After rejecting it for a while, I honestly think an 3 hour epic cut of both films could be cool. I will still just be sticking to doing a regular last jedi edit but am looking forward to the 2 in 1’s that will be done.
My thoughts on the unicorn scene:
On it’s own, I actually find it quite beautiful. I feel it is visual imagery for Deckard’s desire to simply break free and get away from the awful reality that is his life, his occupation.
The issue with the scene is that it ties into the Unicorn origami at the end and basically says Deckard is a replicant. I think the interpration that Deckard is a replicant makes the entire movie fall apart on itself.
So again, final cut is a more polished version (cleaned up special effects and so on) of the DC, with one (admittelly beautiful) out of place scene that messes up the films main characters.
Final cut - unicorn scene = sci fi perfection
Blade Runner - Director’s Cut.
I had never watched this version before, and I really loved it. I’m pretty sure I prefer it over the theatrical cut. Still haven’t watched the final cut - it’s next on my list.
Which version do you guys prefer?
Final Cut minus the Unicorn dream is perfect in my books. I made my own hybrid that does just that and I’ve never gone back.
First of all, you should spoiler tag your post.
Second of all, I think most “plot holes” are stupid and shouldn’t hinder your enjoyment anyway. If a book eases your mind, nice. But for me, most of the time I don’t see anything worth fussing over.
My apologies. Post has been edited.
And to your point, I do agree that most of the time, plot holes are a stupid thing to complain about, but I am more speaking to bigger issues like character motivations or why something played out the way it did. If a book fixes an apparent problem there, then that is what I am speaking to.
If you make a film, and there seems to be a clear plot hole based ONLY upon the movies, then I do not care about whether a book explains it or not. The movies must stand on their own. Then it closes enjoyment of the film to a smaller subset of people willing to read a book.
The books should purely be new stories entirely or extra content for fun. It cannot serve the role of filling in things that a film failed to do well. If the film failed to do it well, then it is inexcusable for the movies part. And of course, I am speaking generally about any sort of adaptation, entry in a film series, a sci fi world, etc.
The shots don’t exactly call attention to themselves. It’s almost an easter egg.
Which is why if it is actually integral to someone’s story then it should have actually been featured more prominently than a small easter egg. I just feel it causes unnecessary confusion. But that’s just me.
It could work with any other franchise, but Star Wars…
it’s just something else. It wouldn’t work, and I seriously hope they don’t recast Princess Leia. You’re among the very few who believe this could work with another actress playing her character.
I guess. I just find it shows more respect to Carrie to finish her character’s arc as they originally desired to. But I see where ya’ll are coming from for sure.
So you’d torch the sacred texts without hesitation?
That’s the whole point of the scene. The books don’t matter, “Time to look past a pile of old books” Yoda says. He reminds Luke that the inert desire for every person to do good and use their powers to save others and to learn from failure is all that truly matters. Not the old dogmatic teachings of the jedi. And that is precisely the first thing I’ll be cutting out of the film is the books at the end on the falcon.
And no offense, but this is one of the reasons I probably won’t be watching any TLJ edits. Everyone wants to cut out things I thought were great.
Alongside that, I think the idea of having Luke burn down the tree is terrible.
I guess we can agree to strongly disagree here 😃
I really feel like that was the point of the scene. I do agree with you technically on one thing and that’s that Luke definitely should have not burned the tree in that moment. Mainly because it would be out of anger and him simply feeling that this will help him “kill the past”. Yoda does burn the tree, but it’s not because he wants to kill the past. He knows what actually matters and wants Luke to look past just a pile of old books and instead look to learn from his past and to cherish his failures and how they have helped him. This is a contrast to Kylo killing the past. And that is ultimately why I feel the books at the end on the Falcon are just another pointless cheap fake out that aren’t worth putting in the film.
But I have discussed this before and definitely see where your coming from! I just interpreted the same content a bit differently I suppose.
The great thing about fanedits is that we can all choose our own interpretations and ignore all the others. 😉
Obviously 😉
A Day in the Life was on Sgt. Pepper.
I thought the point of the thread was just to list simply your favorite album, and then your favorite song in general but my apologies if I misread what the thread is for.
So you’d torch the sacred texts without hesitation?
That’s the whole point of the scene. The books don’t matter, “Time to look past a pile of old books” Yoda says. He reminds Luke that the inert desire for every person to do good and use their powers to save others and to learn from failure is all that truly matters. Not the old dogmatic teachings of the jedi. And that is precisely the first thing I’ll be cutting out of the film is the books at the end on the falcon.
And no offense, but this is one of the reasons I probably won’t be watching any TLJ edits. Everyone wants to cut out things I thought were great.
Alongside that, I think the idea of having Luke burn down the tree is terrible.
I guess we can agree to strongly disagree here 😃
I really feel like that was the point of the scene. I do agree with you technically on one thing and that’s that Luke definitely should have not burned the tree in that moment. Mainly because it would be out of anger and him simply feeling that this will help him “kill the past”. Yoda does burn the tree, but it’s not because he wants to kill the past. He knows what actually matters and wants Luke to look past just a pile of old books and instead look to learn from his past and to cherish his failures and how they have helped him. This is a contrast to Kylo killing the past. And that is ultimately why I feel the books at the end on the Falcon are just another pointless cheap fake out that aren’t worth putting in the film.
But I have discussed this before and definitely see where your coming from! I just interpreted the same content a bit differently I suppose.
So you’d torch the sacred texts without hesitation?
That’s the whole point of the scene. The books don’t matter, “Time to look past a pile of old books” Yoda says. He reminds Luke that the inert desire for every person to do good and use their powers to save others and to learn from failure is all that truly matters. Not the old dogmatic teachings of the jedi. And that is precisely the first thing I’ll be cutting out of the film is the books at the end on the falcon.
Have a new crawl and start the movie with Ben solo shooting the resistance ships and killing Leia then cut to luke and rey.
That way you can start the flim with a wtf opening.
Eh, I prefer the more quiet opening of just Rey finding Luke. It’s different than other Star Wars films and just feels right. Then after the force tree conversation you cut to the First Order finding the Resistance.