darthrush

Hal 9000 said:

Episode IX
EPILOGUE

General Leia Organa has lost the will to live. After melting into the Force, the Resistance is without any hope as the First Order pursues them to the ends of the galaxy.

Ben Solo, the feared leader of darkness, is obsessed with finding the girl who defied him, and will not rest until Rey, the first of a new Jedi Order, has been destroyed.

Now, each side is prepared to fight each other until one or the other is summarily destroyed, thus ending STAR WARS, unless the defeated party should happen to rise again from an obscure part of the galaxy in a few decades’ time…

Sounds about right.

LivJackell said:

Yeah. I’m hoping JJ does something, but Kathleen already said Carrie won’t be in the film, so idk how they’ll satisfyingly close it out without her.

I vote to recast her and continue whatever story they see fit.

joefavs said:

At first I thought I wanted this moved to December, but then I realized that an 18 month gap will make IX that much sweeter. I say keep it in May and let us have a lull to get our excitement back up for the end of the ST.

+1.

Probably the nicest looking soundtrack covers that I have seen. Great work!

LivJackell said:

I know 😕. I love her last scene with Rey, but since Lucasfilm is not putting her in IX, something has to change. Imo

I’m quite sure that JJ will have a plan to close out Leia’s story. And I couldn’t be happier that Rian decided to fully close out the story he gave her and not change it. I feel it shows respect for Carrie and the character.

LivJackell said:

Would it be possible to make Leia do the suicide run with Holdo?

You’d have to lose one of the most emotional and well done scenes in the whole movie but oh well.

Michael Ward said:

yhwx said:

Question: What is Rey’s ultimate end goal in all of this?

To be part of a family?

That’s a simple way of putting it. I would say trying to discover what she should do with her newfound powers. To feel wanted and have a place is a more inert desire rather than her outward goal.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.

It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.

But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.

I think you’re misinterpreting that Yoda quote and those characters’ journeys.

Care to elaborate more? I’m interested in all the takes on this.

First of all it must be said that we don’t know the full story behind Snoke turning Ben to the dark. But we see the power he possesses as Kylo Ren, which is far more than anything Rey does (freeze blaster bolts, people, reads their minds, etc.). If he wanted a quick and easy way besides Luke’s training regimen to unlock some crazy powers, the dark side gave him that way. Important to note too that the dark side uses pain as a fuel.

The thing is though that when Yoda said that he was referring to Luke’s situation, and though people compare Rey to Luke their journeys are actually completely different. Luke wanted to learn the force and become a Jedi like his father. To do that he had to face Vader. The quick and easy way to defeat Vader is by using anger and hate. Like almost does this, but resists. That’s the moment he truly becomes a Jedi, when he’s able to move beyond the temptation to the dark that consumed his father and cast his weapon aside.

Rey’s story is simply not analogous. The temptation to the dark for her is just not the same. She never says that she wants to become a Jedi and learn the force. The force has always been there for her (we see it in her reflexes even before she touches the saber, just like Anakin). What she desires is connection, and for someone to show her her place . It’s not about learning how to use the force, it’s about learning in what way to use it, to what end. When Luke goes into the cave, he sees his ultimate challenge, just like Rey. But for Rey, it’s not a literal physical challenge, it’s an emotional one. The quicker and easier path for her isn’t about achieving power in the force, it’s about finding someone to guide her. When Kylo offers his hand, that’s the quick and easy path. He’s saying “come with me, I can show you your place in this.” It’s right there for her, a teacher, but it’s also companionship. But instead she chooses the hard way - to say no and to forge her own path, scary as that may be.

I hope that makes sense.

Never mind to what I said about not liking Rey in my last post cause this is an outstanding explanation for her character struggles.

Thank you for the analysis! I never looked at her journey in that way and how her challenge in the cave contrasts with Luke.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.

It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.

But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.

Love your interpretation! Pretty smart when you think about it. I like it. The only issue I have with it is that it’s contradictory - after all, we’ve had 40 years of lore.

I guess I can just assume it’s a combination of the two 😉

One part of it is a power that tempts you and another is that it is kinda also a philoshphy on how you use your power and they go hand in hand. So there’s that. And I guess Yoda is referring to the quick and easy path as in a way to get victory should not be by taking morally questionable shortcuts and wronging people and doing evil just to get where you want to be.

But I still have an issue with Rey’s character. At least Ridley pumps charisma into the role and makes her a likable character.

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.

It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.

But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.

I think you’re misinterpreting that Yoda quote and those characters’ journeys.

Care to elaborate more? I’m interested in all the takes on this.

Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.

It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.

But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.

ChainsawAsh said:

darthrush said:

TV’s Frink said:

I’ve only seen Arrival, but it doesn’t matter. How it’s only #4 is beyond me.

See the rest. Prisoners is probably one of the most gripping movies I’ve ever seen.

Yes. Prisoners is absolutely fantastic, but very hard to watch at times (especially if you have young children, as one friend of mine can attest to).

Haven’t seen Enemy or Sicario yet, though. Right now I’d say:

1. Prisoners
2. Blade Runner 2049
3. Arrival

Mind you, I adore Arrival - just because I think the other two are better doesn’t mean Arrival isn’t an 8/10 minimum in its own right.

Some people question the plausibility of the plot at certain points of Prisoners and critique it for such reasons, but on a basic character and story level, it is just incredible. I honestly would put it in the top 5 movies of the past decade at least.

And yes, it was tough to watch at many points. I shed some tears at certain points just cause of how raw it was.

HerekittykittyX said:

darthrush said:

I loved the idea but did not think the execution was good.

A better alternative would have been that she was trapped under some rubble, they are calling out for her, and just when they think she’s gone, she force lifts the rubble off her. cue epic Leia theme.

just kill her Then reval when poe tries to take over the resistance that Leia is alive.

Eh, sounds like a pointless reveal to make.

I loved the idea but did not think the execution was good.

A better alternative would have been that she was trapped under some rubble, they are calling out for her, and just when they think she’s gone, she force lifts the rubble off her. cue epic Leia theme.

suspiciouscoffee said:

darthrush said:

+1 for Villenuve. All his movies I have seen are excellent. I’d rank them as follows:

1. Prisoners
2. Blade Runner 2049
3. Sicario
4. Arrival
5. Enemy

I’d put Sicario below BR2049 and Arrival, but perhaps my opinion of it isn’t as high because I wasn’t able to watch it in one, uninterrupted sitting. I rewatched both Arrival and BR2049 this week, and I think I like the latter more now. I used to think Arrival was a perfect film, but I came to realize that it fundamentally misunderstands Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. They are all fantastic films, though. I have yet to see Prisoners or Enemy, but I’m sure the same applies to them, and Villeneuve’s past work (and future Dune adaptation).

I cannot wait for his take on Dune. He is on a sci fi roll right now.

TV’s Frink said:

I’ve only seen Arrival, but it doesn’t matter. How it’s only #4 is beyond me.

See the rest. Prisoners is probably one of the most gripping movies I’ve ever seen.

Mike Zeroh is a joke.

dahmage said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

Honestly both series have a lot of pretty awful filler episodes. Rebels more so than The Clone Wars to me though.

Space whales…

jokes on us all when NASA reports that space whales are real.

Eh

#NotMyStarWars

Album: Abbey Road

Song: A Day In The Life

UPDATE:

Album: Sgt Pepper/Revolver

Song: A Day In The Life / Strawberry Fields Forever

Collipso said:

Honestly both series have a lot of pretty awful filler episodes. Rebels more so than The Clone Wars to me though.

Space whales…

+1 for Villenuve. All his movies I have seen are excellent. I’d rank them as follows:

1. Prisoners
2. Blade Runner 2049
3. Sicario
4. Arrival
5. Enemy

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

darth_ender said:

moviefreakedmind said:

chyron8472 said:

Is it a requirement?

I was commenting on the recent conversation.

Your comments don’t describe me. I’m not bigoted and I never have claimed to carry a banner of tolerance. I don’t understand why you could possibly think of me as being proudly tolerant but there’s plenty of things I don’t understand.

Definition of bigotry

While we’re at it, we could also look at the bolded sentence and research the term oxymoron.

you seem to be under the impression that beliefs themselves somehow have the right to be respected and appreciated. I don’t think that.

I’m tolerant in that I accept that people can do and believe what they want

You don’t find those statements in conflict?

It is my impression that the word “tolerance”, as defined by the left, means that people are not only allowed to do and believe what they want, but also are allotted some measure of respect regarding their opinions or beliefs despite disagreement. A valid issue I see the right having with the left wielding that banner is that the left seems to be selective of which beliefs or opinions need be tolerated or respected.

That isn’t to say I take any position defending alt-righters who think mutual respect for one’s fellow man is a laughable farce of political correctness. I don’t. My position is that the left, not you personally MFM, is hypocritical for carrying the banner of tolerance when they only do it when it suits them.

This.

And it’s mainly an issue of some of the hardcore left. Classical liberal ideology is entirely against this. Just the same as how the Republican Party could care less about actually protecting states rignts.

Handman said:

liamnotneeson said:

Handman said:

“At the height of their power, they allowed The Empire to rise, and wipe them out.”

Not really sure what the big deal is.

He specifically says Darth Sidious in the movie

Indeed, and I modified the line.

This is currently the “lightest” edit proposed currently. The other two, by Hal 9000 and darthrush, look to be far more extensive in reworking the film. By contrast, I’m just tightening up the film with a few various cuts to my liking.

How will you change Luke’s line? I’d be interested since I am planning to do something similar.

Cobb, Im also curious where I can find this alternate piece and what the track name is?

DominicCobb said:

I’m personally not a huge fan of reusing old music unless I have to (especially in this case where the pieces are somewhat similar), though it does work well.

Have you put any thought to rescoring the next bit with John Williams’s alternate piece for that scene?

I have no qualms reusing prequel music since I don’t consider them in my own head canon. So this probably mainly applies to people like myself who don’t really watch the PT in marathons.

I’ll be using prequel music in the Last Jedi too. My idea is basically to utilize the best music of the PT in moments where the ST just has better scenes and deserve better music. So I already have around 3 TLJ scenes that will be rescored with prequel music.