darthrush

DominicCobb said:

darthrush said:

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

Not having these movies be tied down to some “master plan” is one of the smartest decisions they made. Worked for the OT, is working for the ST. PT tried the “master plan” and failed spectacularly.

Not that any of this has to do with Hal’s edit.

The OT had one consistent plot that was made from day one.

That’s not even a little bit true.

Yeah, but it sure as hell felt a lot more cohesive than the ST.

You say that as if it is more than just your personal opinion.

And if your naming things that went wrong with the PT, it’s overarching story plan is not one of them. It had a great overall story but was poorly executed.

What I’m saying is having an overarching plan didn’t make it any better, considering, like you said, it was poorly executed.

First of all, I stated my opinion and am tired of putting IMO before everything I say. I like to assume that everyone is decent enough to understand that others can disagree.

Secondly, an overarching plan can help to make for a more consistent, and cohesive overall story. If the execution is there, it doesn’t matter. But the ST does have good execution. So I believe it would be even made better with an overarching plan. I love the Last Jedi so I am coming at this from the same angle as you.

DominicCobb said:

Zachary VIII said:

DominicCobb said:

Not having these movies be tied down to some “master plan” is one of the smartest decisions they made. Worked for the OT, is working for the ST. PT tried the “master plan” and failed spectacularly.

Not that any of this has to do with Hal’s edit.

The OT had one consistent plot that was made from day one.

That’s not even a little bit true.

Yeah, but it sure as hell felt a lot more cohesive than the ST. And if your naming things that went wrong with the PT, it’s overarching story plan is not one of them. It had a great overall story but was poorly executed.

Depheros said:

darthrush said:

Depheros said:

I like it, good job. I definitely think the shot of the AT-AT firing should be flipped horizontally, I think that would greatly improve the scene.

I think that if you flip the shot then it won’t make sense. It is meant to look like Finn’s right speeder wing gets hit so you would expect an AT AT to be shooting from that angle.

Watching it again I see what you mean. I was thinking that it would better match the direction Finn looks, and the angle the scene is shot at in general. Works either way though.

That is a good point in regards to the angle that the whole scene is shot in. The only issue is you see the shuttle for Kylo right next to the AT-AT and if you flip the shot then his shuttle is in the wrong place. I will try cropping it out and then if that works, I think I will implement your suggestion for the sake of visual flow 😃

My apologies.

Depheros said:

I like it, good job. I definitely think the shot of the AT-AT firing should be flipped horizontally, I think that would greatly improve the scene.

I think that if you flip the shot then it won’t make sense. It is meant to look like Finn’s right speeder wing gets hit so you would expect an AT AT to be shooting from that angle.

I agree with ya towne32 entirely. The indoor scenes suffer a lot from the second LUT, but I actually haven’t tried using the boosted contrast on the space scenes, so I think I will give that a shot and see how they work.

It seems like I will be extending some more music after he gets shot and see how that works.

The current version can be seen as having the music stop right as he gets hit, like how RogueLeader was saying but I want to test the alternative.

The first LUT makes for a gorgeous image. The second goes too far in many places from what I saw. The biggest issue is the crushed blacks throughout. But we got the first LUT which is a perfect correction in my opinion! And yeah, a new thread is probably a good idea if the discussion goes further.

Finn Speeder Run w/ Sound Mix

https://vimeo.com/264181374

-Reordered shots for better visual flow
-Revised target lock sfx
-Rebuilt sound mix in scene to accommodate changes

Improved Audio for Bridge Explosion

https://vimeo.com/264175161

I know this is a very subtle improvement I made and I am hoping ya’ll can tell the difference.

-replaced original bridge audio when its hit with custom explosion sfx and faded this new sfx into the Kylo shot
-Brought in the music earlier and more gradually

I’ll most likely try cutting the rest of Rose at the end but if it doesn’t work then I will try your option.

jarbear, I’m not sure we need to visually paint out Rose’s speeder because in all honesty, it just looks like Finn’s speeder broke apart when it got shot. I will absolutely be changing the target lock sound effect but am curious if you have qualms with it visually. It is an altered shot from a previous one in the Crait battle so it feels visually official. At least I think haha.

Thanks for the feedback.

pleasehello said:

Sir Ridley said:

MalàStrana said:

Things happen between movies Adywan. Poe is right next to the girl who helped save his BB unit along with his new best pal Finn but he would wait until the ending of the next movie to say “oh, thanks by the way. Rey, right ?” Doesn’t make any sense. Not a huge continuity issue, but still it felt weird and forced at the end of TLJ.

In this specific case nothing could’ve happened between them between the movies. Maybe between scenes, but not necessarily. I see your point though.

Yeah, this is something the audience can assume happened off-camera. To me it just feels odd for two of our principal characters to introduce themselves to eachother for the first time after two full movies.

I actually like the moment quite a bit but can see how it would be a good thing to cut.

ChainsawAsh said:

OKNOTOK (last year’s remaster of Radiohead’s OK Computer)

Have only listened to the remastered tracks from the original album, not the bonus disc, but damn I forgot how much I love this album. Didn’t notice anything off with the remaster, and it sounded very nice - might have to A/B with my original CD just to see what’s different about it.

FITTER
HAPPIER
MORE PRODUCTIVE

This was a fantastic remaster of a classic album! Was just jamming out to “Airbag” today 😃

Here is a VERY ROUGH cut of what I am thinking for the speeder run with Finn. Basic idea is he gets right up to it, and then he gets locked on by an AT-AT and blasted away (similar to what Ivan Ortega has done).

https://vimeo.com/263998840

So far I think I will be changing the target lock sound effect, smooth out the music transition when he gets hit, and possibly remix the sfx a bit. EDIT: I realized that flipping the reaction shot of Finn to getting blasted would help with spatial continuity.

Any other suggestions or feedback on this idea would be great.

Yeah, the problem with the audio is that the music fading into the Kylo shot is needed but it comes with sound effects too. I might have a solution for this by using the soundtrack and syncing it up.

Removal of Leia’s Flight in Space

https://vimeo.com/263988128

-Cut away from bridge explosion before Leia flys out, to the reaction of Kylo.
-We go from Hux saying “It is only a matter of time” to Leia being carried away on stretcher.

I’m testing this out to see if the audience can fill in the gaps or not. The basic flow in my opinion is that you see the bridge get hit, you question if Leia is alright, and then you get your answer when you see her being carried away on the stretcher.

Hal 9000 said:

Even if the fathier chase sequence is removed, I would still be in favor of keeping the slave kid epilogue so long as we get the brief introduction to them as Rose is lecturing Finn as he uses the binoculars.
Of course, if they are arrested immediately, that’d be gone.

Which is why I also will be cutting the ending with the children. Those changes go in hand in hand like you said. Depends on how much you like the Broom boy ending.

I cut to them immediately finding the codebreaker in my edit and that works well enough but the issue is that of how we transition to hyperspace as you said Hal. Perhaps showing them leaving the cell, BB-8 following, and then show the guards walk up to the empty sewer thingy. From there you cut to hyperspace which can imply that they escaped? Just spitballing ideas.

Just wanted to drop in and say that after looking at the film with Dre Dre’s LUT, I am astounded how much warmer and natural the colors feel than the blu-ray. Anyone fan editing the film should seriously consider using it.

Yeah, I really hope it works out. I contacted him about joining the forums and he might do so. That would be nice since maybe we could help along the way. If they get the costumes right and the look, then all that is needed is solid execution and the vfx work.

If they fight in front of a green screen, that maybe is what would be the best option?

I thought everyone should take a look at something that a man named Ivan Ortega is undertaking. He is completely reworking the Kylo/Luke duel and him and his friend will be dressing up as them and making it an actual fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko6Rp98lraI

There he explains the idea. They will paint Luke and Kylo out of some of the wide shots and then use those as the landscape for which to put themselves onto after they film themselves fighting in the garb of Luke and Kylo. It will intercut with the real film footage as well.

I am curious to see how it turns out in the end and you can head over to his youtube channel to leave feedback. He has had several updates since his first video concerning the fight.

Thanks for the LUT Dre! I might just use this for my fanedit of the film if that is fine with you. (You would be credited)

DominicCobb said:

Did some posts get deleted here?

Yep.

DominicCobb said:

Vader was a much worse person.

What feels so odd is that even though this point holds absolutely true upon objective analysis, I can’t help but on an emotional level, feel that the redemption of Kylo would feel incredibly jarring and not right.

I attribute this mainly to the fact that within the OT, (not counting dead children from some awful prequel movies) we only see Vader murder random people who we never know all that much about. In Rogue One, it’s a dynamic of him just being a “badass”. Kylo Ren on the other hand murdered Han Solo. It just sits differently for some reason.

This movie looks good and different. The recast characters? Not so sure yet. I will wait on movie to decide but I am nervous.