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suspiciouscoffee said:

I don’t mind the existence of Ewoks, I really don’t even mind much that their victory is somewhat implausible. I understand why someone wouldn’t like them, but I never minded them. The problem is that too much focus is on them, and the scenes on Endor are interspersed between much better scenes (Space Battle, Final Duel). The scenes don’t flow well into one another. If the Endor scenes were more brief, and they found a way to include them without jarring tonal shifts, it would be right up there with SW(ANH) and ESB.

In my edit, the Ewoks are less cute. During the battle this is how it plays out. The reason I put this in this thread is because it highlights exactly what makes ROTJ lack enough of a punch in its third act.

-There’s an outbreak. The Ewoks pop up and start shooting arrows
-Everyone scrambles, Leia shoots a trooper, Han throws one over his back
-they retreat to the bunker, the empire backs off too for a shootout
-Leia needs R2 desperately
-we cut to the Ewoks pitiful catapults get blown apart as they run away. An ATST blows down tree after tree then we cut to space battle ravaging outside the moon.

A little bit later…
-Lando has “gotta give him more time” (Han)
-we cut to Endor. No Ewoks trample on storm troopers from behind. C3PO’s “were coommming” is cut. We jump straight into the action minus the Ewoks.
-R2 takes a hit. Han tries to rewrite it himself.

A little bit later…

-no Tarzan yell from chewie
-heavily cut the scene where they take over ATST.
-the “I love u” “I know” callback is gone.

All of these cuts leave you with a much more focused, contained and more intense finale where you don’t spend as much time with the Ewoks on Endor and when you do its just shown as a desperate battle.

Or Ezra could be Snoke. I loved the finale! And love rebels! Filoni just seems to know Star Wars so well. Saber copters were my sole complaint.

That’s why I made it clear that within the constraints of THEIR story CG Yoda was needed. If Yoda We’re too not ever pull out his saber and do flips all over the place then a puppet Yoda would have been better. But a lot better looking puppet than the one in TPM. It looked terrible and just so ugh…

CGI Yoda is superior than the puppet and I liked the SE change. I think that with what they planned for Yoda (with lightsaber battles) that ESB puppet like Yoda just wouldn’t work. I must admit that the episode 2 animation on Yoda hasn’t aged well though. The animation was much better in RotS for Yoda.

So pumped!

It seems like you greatly desire a definitive edit of TPM. I suggest doing what I did for each PT movie. Pick like 3 (or more if your willing) of some popular fan edits of each episode and find which one you like best and if you feel so, splice together different parts of 2 edits even for your favorite. I recommend watching Hal’s V4 Cloak of Deception, L8wtrs Shadow of the Sith, and Q2’s Fall of the Jedi episode 1 for episode 1. All are HD and have good editing.

MalàStrana said:

“I’ve seen through the lies of the OT.com members. I don’t fear the PT as you do”

Thank goodness someone realizes that you shouldn’t just say PT is all crap. I recently watched my least favorite Star Wars movie in its theatrical presentation (AOTC blu Ray) and I have to admit, it’s terrible but when fan editors take an amazing story and tell it in 2 decent movies and one fantastic one then I think they should be appreciated. Yes, in a marathon I never would watch theatrical PT but fan edited PT will always have a place in my own canon of when I watch a marathon.

(I’m even beginning to think TFA to be far worse than the PT. I’ll be sure within two weeks about that)

Not to this extent. I think ROTS (fan edited) is on par with TFA in MANY ways but not AOTC or TPM (even fan edited)

That’s the reason I mash L8wtrs ending in with Hal’s edits is because I not only like padme dying (story wise) but tbh Iv always loved how epic the Yoda vs sidious fight is. L8wtr keeps it while cutting many bad lines, and cuts PLENTY of Palps either falling over chairs or making weird facial expressions.

xxtelecine 7xx said:

Guys,
There might be some grain of hope. I checked out the trailer for the deleted shots and this will sound crazy but as long as there are previous frames of the background info where the time code is not covering it could be removed with Mocha Pro’s remove Module. I do not use the remove tool too much so I will have to take a refresher coarse on it, but it is very doable…

http://www.imagineersystems.com/videos/basics-of-the-remove-module-with-mocha-pro-part-03/?back=http://www.imagineersystems.com/video/page/2/?dd=dateNew&tagFilter=Training+Videos&orderby=date&order=DESC

This video demonstrates how powerful this software is. So I believe it is possible to do this.

Yasssssss!!!

I said that to emphasize the film quality of the prequels, not to suggest piracy.

U think I am serious?! I bought the complete saga on blu Ray and the reason I got despecialized trilogy and prequel edits was because I was disappointed in my purchase.

But again, don’t ever waste your money on the official prequel blu Rays, just instead buy some nice paper, discs, and covers then burn Hal’s edits on em.

Don’t watch the theatrically released PT but get ur hands on like Hal’s or L8wtrs edits and you will appreciate the prequels. It turns Episode 1 Anakin from an annoying little accidental hero to a honest, young likable protagonist. Episode 2’s original stalker Anakin is now a shy yet kind and brave character. Then in episode 3 instead of whiny, arrogant Anakin we get a character who we have gotten to know and in the fanedit he now is a deeply conflicted and tragic character. So finally once Obi-Wan in raw anguish weeps at the lava bed whilst Anakin is burning you viscerally realize that buried under all the crappy dialogue and stupid fart jokes there is a trilogy worth appreciating.

dlvh said:

joefavs said:

Harmy said:

Can’t your BD player play back stuff from USB?

Nothing bigger than 4 GB.

Perhaps you could purchase an external portable hard drive, and put the movies/videos and whatever else you may want, on that…those don’t have that 4GB size limit.

Hah I currently have 600 GB of Star Wars content on my external hard drive. I just keep it plugged into my blu Ray players usb port normally so I can start playing anything right off the bat.

I second that.

BmB said:

Having done the George Lucas approved chronological, special edition marathon myself, I can safely say it does not work. The break between episodes III and IV is simply too jarring. You could also try and cut some out of the rotation because you think they suck, but you’ll inevitably miss large pieces of the story that way.

I think it’s important to recognize that Star Wars is the beginning, the opening shot, the 20-30 mins or so of exposition before anything even happens, the fact that it was originally made to be seen as a singular movie. And from there on realize that Episode I throws you right into the action and assumes you know exactly what a jedi, the force, a droid, and who Obi-Wan is and simply doesn’t work as an introduction to the universe. And from there on further realize that Episode III is the ending that brings everything full circle.

Realize on top of all this that they are indeed separate trilogies, made separately and telling two different stories. So you cannot really mix them up and get anything coherent either.

Only one order emerges from this: Release order. This is how they were made to be seen, each movie assuming only that you know what came before.

TFA doesn’t really fit in anywhere. It’s its own thing.

Iv gotta disagree. My favorite order and versions is below:

ANH:Revisted or Hal’s Custom SE
ESB: kk650 Semi Specilaized
TPM: Cloak of Deception (Hal9000)
AOTC: Approaching Storm (Hal9000)
ROTS: Labyrinth of Evil w/ L8wtr Ending
ROTJ: Remastered (my own edit)

Full Machete order

HansiG said:

LuckyGungan2001 said:

Can somebody please explain why The Phantom Menace is better than the other two? I’m not even being sarcastic, I just want to hear your thoughts.

It’s light hearted. It’s magical. It’s a fairy tale. The shittiness is hidden behind a layer of awesome.

I agree somewhat with the feel of the movie which is why Hal’s Cloak of Deception is so fun to watch. Revenge of the siths beautiful tradegy is also great. And then there’s attack of the clones…

For literally ZERO quality loss in the comfort of my home, I just plug in external hard drive and play all my Star Wars movies from there. I burn blu Rays for the sake of mobility.

Darth Lars said:

Matt.F said:

Snoke, I have to say, is where the movie proverbially ‘shit the bed’. It’s just not good enough fx to pass as authentic, and really shows up as a CG construct.

There are more issues with Snoke’s hologram. According to the script, in the first scene with Snoke the audience is supposed to be led into thinking that Snoke is a real person and not a hologram until the transmission ends. This means that the fidelity of the hologram has been made higher than any hologram in the OT or PT, in order to pull off this trick. Personally, I don’t see the point of that at all.
Also, the hologram room has windows with sunlight shining behind Snoke, and that light should reasonably make the holo-projection suffer, but it doesn’t and that just looks weird.

I think best would be to first reduce the shots of Snoke to a minimum – making him more of a mystery, as the Emperor in ESB.
Second, if possible, lower the fidelity of the hologram – which I think would mask the low quality of the CGI and make the hologram look more like a hologram in Star Wars should look. Mask off Snoke from the background, lower the resolution of the holo by dividing into artificial scanlines, add noise and possibly interference, give it a blue tint and add that onto a new background that does not have a light shining directly into the camera.

Very good idea!

I simply rate my enjoyment level of certain parts of the movie on a scale of 1 to 10.

Ha! I had that misconception all the way up until the point of reading your comment on this thread. Haha

But if somebody puts star killer base blowing up Hosnian system during the attack on the base during third act like that idea posted in the fanedit thread then I think it could (if done well) turn the third act to like an 8/10

Iv seen it 5 times now and would give the first act a 10/10. It literally made me buzz with pure joy during Rey’s introduction and the escape with Poe and Finn it just was so great. But the second and third act would get like a 7/10 at best. They just lost the engaging feel of the plot so if episodes 8 and 9 are as captivating at the first act of TFA then that would be awesome.

And we would also get our deleted scenes with no timebar as a bonus if an extended cut were to be released.

Anybody thinking about a petition to start here? Sounds like it would work since some of the VFX guys want it.