darth_ender

timdiggerm said:

Well, he did do that ridiculous thing with the bullets and the bricks in TDK.......

Yeah, I was pretty disappointed about that part.  I remember hearing that he would do some detective work in this film, and this is the closest he really came.  All his detective work relied on unrealistic hi-tech gadgets.  Don't get me wrong, I like the film, but I actually prefer the first, and felt the second succumbed to a number of the flaws of other comic book films instead of relying on the *ahem* greater believabality of the first film.  I want to see real detective work.

Bingowings said:

What ruined Batman Begins for me was the microwave weapon.

Somehow this was supposed to atomise the water supply in the pipes underground but not cook the people on the ground?

In a silly Batman film you can get away with that sort of thing (just look at the powdered ambassadors in the 60's Batman movie) but in the sort of film Nolan was supposedly making it stuck out like the collapsing Venetian palace in Casino Royale (2006).

The Dark Knight had very little of that (even if Dent's injuries seemed too extreme to be taken seriously in that universe).

It was said that this was a "focused microwave emitter" by one of the Wayne Enterprise board members.  Microwaves can be focused, just like a laser, and just as laser is actually an acronym (Light Amplification by the Stimulated Emission of Radiation), there is actually a microwave equivalent called a maser.  Lasers/masers keep their light/radiation so focused and coherent that it could travel miles in a beam with no noticeable widening of the beam (unlike a regular light beam like your flashlight).  Therefore, a high powered maser could pass within inches of you without you noticing.  However, if it passed directly through you, the water in your body would have cooked you instantaneously.  Now it seems to me that the weapon does pass directly over some people without harming them, and visually there is no indication that a small beam emitter pointed downward is ever used.  However, perhaps this will ease your conscience as to the realism of the film.

Thanks, Bingowings.  I promise I'm done.

Well, whatever, my friend.  I'm happy to let bygones be bygones and drop this discussion.  I think others got the humor, and it's too bad it was lost on you.  Hope you understand now, and understand that I did not intend for this to get so messy.

As far as respect, I'll always disagree if I do.  I try to generally be polite, and simply was getting tired of the fighting and tried to point it out in a humorous light.  Let it end.  I think your style is probably offensive to most.  In this case, my style was offensive to you, so I admit guilt and simply say let's drop the whole thing.

Looks like this hasn't been posted in this thread ever, and not on this site for a long time.  Maybe it's well-known and redundant at this point, but this is my all-time favorite Star Wars spoof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0rwG39Jzk

twooffour said:

My first /facepalm was directed at you going into what American and English "printing offices" were saying about omission of commas, in relation to an informal internet board.
That's like the epitome of ridiculous pedantism.

My second one was because you took my "as opposed to real movies" as a serious criticism.
Have I even said you were grammatically or logically wrong to use that expression?

It's like when Maddox makes fun of the PETA talking about the "suffering of living animals" (as opposed to dead animals) or Bill O'Reilly saying "we report, you decide" or "fair and balanced".
Obviously, it makes sense to use those redundancies for emphasis, but it also opens you up to quips and jokes if you come off as overly patronizing or pedantic aside from that - which you do, my friend. Very, very much.

You seem to think you are so much brighter than everyone else, and I simply wanted to show you that you are not so amazing as you think.

There's so much self-righteous hilarity in this quote, I don't even know where to begin... first of all, no, I don't think I'm brighter than everyone else. I just know the English language better than Kenkraly (or his character), which isn't saying much.

So yea, here you are, picking on my commas, because I made fun of Kenkraly's language. How ludicrous is that, and why don't you still get that it's ludicrous?

My knowledge about the tiny details of grammar, like where to put commas at dubious places, isn't perfect, but I think I've explained well enough that I've used all of those with an intent in mind.
I also don't have any problem with people intentionally subverting language for humorous or other purposes. It's when someone who writes like a 7 year old comes on a forum and starts asking everyone to stop making fun while WRITING IN A TOTALLY RIDICULOUS LANGUAGE, I start feeling the urge to make a quip or two.

I don't care about any of your errors, except insofar as you seem to think it appropriate to correct everyone else's mistakes.

Actually I don't remember picking on anyone's grammar or spelling in here, prior to this incident.

If someone makes a stupid point and I read it, sure, but then why shouldn't I.

you have done nothing but prove my whole point: you are nothing but a contentious idiot who is always looking for an argument and tries to suck others in.

I just made fun of Kenkraly like at least 50% of the other users here. You were the one who started this whole nonsense because of a few commas.

You hypocrite.

Insults are More Effective than Reason

That's interesting, because I always try to make a point of adding insults to reason, rather than using them as a replacement ;)

If you wanna live up to that standard, too, please tell me how it's reasonable to pick on a few (intentionally) placed or omitted commas in light of language like this:

TV's Frink I did get the e-mail from LFL ok. So please enough of you rants. All you do is make fun of my posts. Just let the attacking stop enough already.

That's one or two steps away from "full-life consequences", do you realize that? Do you have ANY sense of proportion?

I know I said I wouldn't, but I can't resist.

I think you, my friend, don't know a joke when you see one, not I.  Why did Frink think my statement was so funny?  Because it was humorous.  My style can be dry, but it was intended as funny.  I defended my poinoting out your errors for two reasons: 1) I found it so funny that I'd have hated to let it slide there; 2) I did not want you to continue with your smug arrogance.  Perhaps you don't always criticize others' English, but a significant proportion of your posts include criticism of one sort or another levelled at your fellow Star Wars fans.  Please understand, the whole point to this has nothing to do with your English, but everything to do with how bothersome you seem to be.  And understand that the supposed self-righteousness you detect in me has nothing to do with my intelligence or English (heck, I've been far more careful since this began simply so you'd have no ammunition to use against me, chuckling to myself all the while as I double checked my spelling), though I admit some guilt perhaps in my desire to avoid needless contention while perpetuating this ridiculous argument.

Hmmm...since that appears to be the crux of your whole last reply, I guess I'll just end it by restating that it was all a joke directed at your personality, not your punctuation.  If you could simply stop harassing others on the board, I would treat you with the utmost respect (I feel we could be friends in our discussion on the politics thread).  I know you are not the only one, but as I said before, you are the one I chose to pick on because you seem to be among the more rude and ever present during these arguments.  I promise to make peace and drop this silliness if you can do the same.  If not, we can continue our banter via private messages if you like.

I think the Blu-rays will be lots of fun, and I look forward to getting a Blu-ray player so I can actually enjoy them.

twooffour said:

darth_ender said:

You are correct that a dash can be used instead of a colon, though generally a colon is preferred.  However, as you pointed out, you did use a hyphen.

-- = fuck the dash.

"ESPECIALLY with gramer (sic) like that" is a run-on sentence, whether you like it or not.  There is no subject or verb; it simply starts with an adverb, followed by a preposition, followed by a misspelled noun which does not serve as a subject, but rather the direct object of the previous sentence.  Therefore, a period will not work.  A semicolon could work, but is, in my opinion, overkill in this case.  However, you did not put a semicolon, so the point is moot.  You used a period incorrectly, so get over it.

Yes, it was a run-on sentence after a period. The period served as a stronger emphasis compared to a semi-colon.

This is not a formal paper here, prof - it's an internet board, and slightly bending grammar for the sake of expression is not a problem in the SLIGHTEST.

Look up "Flat What" on TV Tropes.

As pointed out, "grammar" is spelled like this, not "gramer."

It was a JOKE, you clown.
And I'd thought people might catch up on "grammer"... jeez.

You never use commas in this manner for emphasis.  Sorry.

I do, and see above.

It is true that you can omit commas when separating the last two items in a list.  However, it seems that more style guides prefer its use, including the United States Government Printing Office.  British and American English guides especially prefer it, while Canadian and Australian seem to lean towards omitting the last.  In any case, my reason for pointing out its need was to contrast your lack with your previous cases of overused commas.

/facepalm

In the end, my point was that you really piss people off with your big head which could use some deflation.  You criticize other's English, but yours is very imperfect.

Go check your Asperger's, if you think my correct uses / slight liberties were in any way comparable to kenkraly's.

And by the way, my usage of "fictional movie series" was correct, pointing out that this series deals with fictional events, as opposed to those "based on actual events" or a documentary.

/FACEPALM

 

I'm sure if you continue reading my posts, you'll find various errors, but they are far less frequent than yours, and that was not one of them. 

Now this was hilarious!

 Wow, in sentences no longer than five words, you totally ripped my points to shreds!  Oh, the pain!  '/FACEPALM" -- That's like...a wall of logic that I simply cannot overcome.

You're a moron.  I know it's not a term paper.  You don't see me correcting anyone else's English; just yours.  You seem to think you are so much brighter than everyone else, and I simply wanted to show you that you are not so amazing as you think.  I don't care about any of your errors, except insofar as you seem to think it appropriate to correct everyone else's mistakes.  As my last reply to Your Ignorance, Emperor Twooffour, you have done nothing but prove my whole point: you are nothing but a contentious idiot who is always looking for an argument and tries to suck others in.  Most people don't seem to like you that much.  It's best to learn when not to talk.  I'm sure you'll have some absolutely devastating comeback to this that you pulled from How to Destroy an Argument in Five Words or Less (under the chapter entitled "Insults are More Effective than Reason," of course).  However, rest assured that if you continue with your obnoxious posts belittling anyone who disagrees with you, I will not respond.  As long as you put your uber-glorified opinion out there for all to see, you are a waste of time.  If you wish to descend from Mt. Olympus to the Valley of Mortals, we can always continue our civil chats.

I like you too, TV's Frink.

*blushes*

I don't mean to just pick of twooffour.  I, too, am guilty of arguing at times over nothing related, even including these grammar corrections.  However, my point is that I hope all will refocus on the intended topic, and my little diversion was simply intended to put twooffour in his place a bit.  Now let's move on to the topic at hand.

That is a very lovely image, Frinky.

twooffour said:

darth_ender said:

 

Also, let me add that I am a stickler for grammar and spelling.  I certainly make errors too, but I almost always catch the multitudinous mistakes that so many who post here make.  I think it is unwise to criticize others of sounding ignorant because of such mistakes, as I know many intelligent people who make language errors, there are patrons here whose first language is not English, and those who criticize make quite a few silly mistakes of their own.

Twooffour said:

"LOL

"A piece of advice -[needs a colon, not a hyphen] a hyphen can also be used; although actually it should be a dash, I don't really care though -- - °_°  it generally comes off as pathetic and laughable if you ask people to stop making fun of you and take you seriously.[needs a comma, not a period, or else the following sentence is a run-on] it can be done with a period, as well as with a semicolon ESPECIALLY with gramer [grammar] LOL like that.

"Those deserving of respect,[no comma needed] but allowed for emphasis don't demand it.
Those ridiculed undeservedly,[no comma needed] smash their haters with a wall of logic, hidden sarcasm[comma IS needed] a comma can be omitted before the last item in a list, unless it affects the meaning and witty repartée.

"The others just whine."
Congratulations, not a single accurate correction so far.

Even if all of those had been actual mistakes, only an Aspie would start comparing those few missed commas to a TEXT WRITTEN IN THE STYLE OF SQUIRRELKING.

I feel like I'm picking on twooffour a lot, but I continue to notice that he often seems to be in the heat of these angry conversations.  I wish that I could come here, read where I see a new post, and not have to sift through a bunch of worthless arguments over a fictional movie series that we all enjoy.

A fictional movie series as opposed to a real one?

You are correct that a dash can be used instead of a colon, though generally a colon is preferred.  However, as you pointed out, you did use a hyphen.

"ESPECIALLY with gramer (sic) like that" is a run-on sentence, whether you like it or not.  There is no subject or verb; it simply starts with an adverb, followed by a preposition, followed by a misspelled noun which does not serve as a subject, but rather the direct object of the previous sentence.  Therefore, a period will not work.  A semicolon could work, but is, in my opinion, overkill in this case.  However, you did not put a semicolon, so the point is moot.  You used a period incorrectly, so get over it.

As pointed out, "grammar" is spelled like this, not "gramer."

You never use commas in this manner for emphasis.  Sorry.

It is true that you can omit commas when separating the last two items in a list.  However, it seems that more style guides prefer its use, including the United States Government Printing Office.  British and American English guides especially prefer it, while Canadian and Australian seem to lean towards omitting the last.  In any case, my reason for pointing out its need was to contrast your lack with your previous cases of overused commas.

So actually you cannot escape the fact that I made several appropriate corrections, with two that are somewhat more ambiguous.

In the end, my point was that you really piss people off with your big head which could use some deflation.  You criticize other's English, but yours is very imperfect.  You always seem to be right in the middle of every argument and fight, and while I will enjoy debating with you in the politics section, it just is annoying to see a long series of stupid arguments and, oh, what do you know?  Twooffour is right there, starting and/or perpetuating this mess as well.  Sometimes I just want to come here and talk about Star Wars, not about your "walls of logic."  Just learn when to talk and when to sit down and shut up.

And by the way, my usage of "fictional movie series" was correct, pointing out that this series deals with fictional events, as opposed to those "based on actual events" or a documentary.  I'm sure if you continue reading my posts, you'll find various errors, but they are far less frequent than yours, and that was not one of them.  Keep up the valiant effort, but try not to get on everyone's nerves.

kenkraly2007 said:

oh it was a joke sorry for the miss understanding.

Well, ya lost me there, friend.  I have no idea what you're talking about.

While the above is true, it doesn't seem logical with the film's dialogue.

HAN: Let's see, we're in the middle of nowhere.  Where should we go.  I have a brilliant idea!  Let's go to the only inhabited planet in the system to get repairs!

LEIA: You have your moments.  Not many of them, but you do have them.

In the end, I just presume that systems are packed more closely together.

It just occured to me, in the RPG it seems that most ships had a much slower backup hyperdrive.  Perhaps we could speculate that the Falcon's backup works but that it takes a great deal of time to get up to speed.

In light of speed and relativity mentioned earlier, it is clear that there is no time disparity between those traveling at high speeds and those remaining relatively static.  This supports the EU explanation that ships have relativistic shielding to prevent time dilation.  This unfortunately negates that aspect of the theory as well.

Anchorhead said:

TheBoost said:

"The Caped Crusader."

Well done.   Much better than The Dark Knight Rises.

I think some play on his titles including Detective would have been nice.  I enjoy seem Batman kick some trash, but I wish I could see more of his subtle side.  However, I doubt such would work in a film with Bane as the villain.

Am I in the presence of the real Darth?  Should I grovel?  Is it normal to throw up a little bit in my mouth when you are near?  What an honor!

Rogue-theX said:

Okay, how 'bout Best Darth Username of the year ?

Or Most lamestest Darth Username of the year ?

Or Username wich second part sounds like its pronounced with a lisp of the year ?

 ^Thay it ain't tho!  Whatth the pwobweb with having darth in my uthername?  Thtupid!

;)

Finally, some recognition!

Came up with the name years ago because I didn't want to put any numbers in my handle.  My older handle was darth_gollum, which I still use in a few places.

I would have liked to see George's original plan of having the big battle take place on Kashyyyk with Wookies.  And I think it would have been cool to see more verticle fighting among the trees.  How cool would it be to see a group fight to gain the high ground by actually climbing multi-kilometer high trees, struggling every step (grasp?) of the way?  With that, I felt the Wookiee battle in Ep III was a bit of a letdown, as I always envisioned the Wookies high in the sky, never coming close to the surface of their planet.

captainsolo said:

Violator-Depeche Mode

Yes I know-not a song, but I can't ever choose just one track.

 Not a single song on that album that I don't like.

I think I could use an award for "Most Neurotic about Your Spelling and Grammar Award."  Notice that I didn't capitalize about; you see, about is a preposition, and you never capitalize a preposition in titles, even though it looks too long to remain lower-case.

I think I just proved that I deserve to win.

Rogue-theX said:

Yep[comma] its [should be "it's"] been out there for a bit,[period] it's [should be capitalized, as now it's the start of a new sentence] in the Star Wars: Visions book.

and Rogue-theX said:

Ken, Frink simply asked you a question. Nowhere in that post did he make fun of or attack you.

I thou[g]ht you said you weren't going to jump to conclusions anymore?[should be a period, not a question mark]

:)

 Let me know if you need help with your term papers ;)

I understand the purpose of this site, and that most here feel passionate about the OOT.  I agree that it would be nice to get a good release, though I don't feel so passionate as most here.  I was simply trying to keep my post on-topic as well as point out that these arguments are getting kind of ridiculous.

On the other hand, if I can get the approval of Frink for my comments, then I know I must have said something funny.  I didn't even start on how dumb the "wall of logic" crap sounds.  But he's got a point that a person gets respect here or anywhere by earning it, not demanding it.  It's just funny that he seems to be disliked by and large, so I don't know what high horse he's riding.

May I just say that the contention on this board is getting ridiculous?  I mean, I really enjoy Star Wars.  But on the other hand, I have a job, a wife, three children, I will be going back to school soon, and I have ecclesiastical responsibilities.  I enjoy other films, read books, spend time with friends, etc.  As much as I love Star Wars, and I assure you it is no small love, I seem to be able to keep the perspective that it is...just a series of movies!

GET OUT THE TORCHES!!!

Also, let me add that I am a stickler for grammar and spelling.  I certainly make errors too, but I almost always catch the multitudinous mistakes that so many who post here make.  I think it is unwise to criticize others of sounding ignorant because of such mistakes, as I know many intelligent people who make language errors, there are patrons here whose first language is not English, and those who criticize make quite a few silly mistakes of their own.

Twooffour said:

"LOL

"A piece of advice -[needs a colon, not a hyphen] it generally comes off as pathetic and laughable if you ask people to stop making fun of you and take you seriously.[needs a comma, not a period, or else the following sentence is a run-on] ESPECIALLY with gramer [grammar] like that.

"Those deserving of respect,[no comma needed] don't demand it.
Those ridiculed undeservedly,[no comma needed] smash their haters with a wall of logic, hidden sarcasm[comma IS needed] and witty repartée.

"The others just whine."

I feel like I'm picking on twooffour a lot, but I continue to notice that he often seems to be in the heat of these angry conversations.  I wish that I could come here, read where I see a new post, and not have to sift through a bunch of worthless arguments over a fictional movie series that we all enjoy.

To keep things on topic, I look forward to to Blu-ray release, though I doubt I will be getting it right away.  I'm thrilled about the deleted scenes, and I would not mind a high-definition release of the films, even if they are the SEs.  Sure, they have many silly additions, but some things I do enjoy.  And my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

timdiggerm said:

twooffour said:
Oh... and... SOLO HAD NO LIGHTSPEED BUT MADE IT TO BESPIN!! PLOTHOLE!!!!

This has been discussed ad nauseum, but I'll explain the "No it's fine" side:

Bespin is not too far away from Hoth. Not in the same planetary system, but nearby. We do not know how long it takes them to get to Bespin. In fact, all we know for sure is that while they're en route:

• Luke trains with Yoda
• Boba Fett follows them without being noticed
• Vader waits for his bounty hunters to report back

Vader waiting has no real time problems. The man can wait with the starfleet doing Imperial things for as long as he needs. He's not likely to find the Falcon during this gap, as the Falcon is flying in the big empty spaces between star systems and that's just not very easy to search. Besides, he's counting on the bounty hunters to turn something up whenever the Falcon reemerges at spaceport from wherever they disappeared to (remember, Vader doesn't actually know where they went).

The longer Luke trains with Yoda, the more plausible ROTJ becomes, as he can learn loads and loads from Yoda, but only really get the practice and meditation he needs to be a Jedi in between ESB & ROTJ (thus explaining why he's not so much a Jedi during the ESB duel). This is, for me, the biggest thing in favor of the Hoth->Bespin journey being long.

As for the Falcon and Slave 1 flying for so long... They don't have hyperdrive, only their engines. Spaceship engines are never really well explained in Star Wars (because it's a space opera, thank god), so we don't actually know much about how much they can accelerate a ship, for how long, fueling, etc. However, if we assume that they just put the engines on FULL-GO-FAST for the whole trip, then perhaps we can say that they spend the whole trip accelerating up to as near lightspeed as they can go. Relativistic effects become noticeable, and the occupants of both the Falcon and Slave 1 experience a far shorter journey than Luke does while training. In this way, we solve their food problems.

No, I don't know how Fett manages to not be detected. Perhaps he follows (somehow stealthily) for a short period, long enough to get their heading and extrapolate where they're going, then turns off the engines andlets them fly away a little longer so they won't notice him when hyperdrives back to civilization to bounty hunter things. Later, knowing approximately when they'd arrive at Bespin, he informs Vader and they all hyperdrive to Bespin just before the Falcon arrives.

And yes, I'm introducing relativistic effects in a movie series where spaceships move like WWII fighter planes.

 Still probably won't work.  First, if Bespin were close enough to be reached at sublight speeds, then you'd think it would be the first place they'd look.  They just went from Hoth system to Anoat system without light speed, then they wish to travel to Bespin system.  If the suns of each system were close enough to be travelled to at sublight speeds in such a short time, they would actually be part of a binary or trinary star system.  If we wish for them to have enough distance to be somewhat realistic, let's look at Alpha Centauri, the second closest star system to us (the sun being the closest).  At the speed of light, it would take over four years to reach Alpha Centauri from good ol' earth.  I don't see any realistic way of making it work.

That being said, I don't care.  I am watching the movie for entertainment value, not because I demand realism.  There are other sci-fi films for that.  This is simply good fun.

Skyjedi, you beat around the bush so much.  Tell us how you really feel about George Lucas and the prequels.