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#561723
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Star Tours - preservation dvd (Released)
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So here is my "color-corrected" (meaning somewhat improved, but still quite lacking) version of the very yellow Star Tours source:

http://www.2shared.com/video/wtV9BeNg/star_tours.html

Check it out.  It shows what can be done in just an hour with crappy footage, a worse than novice editor, using non-intuitive software that crashed on him three time.  Imagine if a real pro tried his hand at this!  Also, I don't have the DVD with me right now (I purchased a DVD with the same yellow version, but it might be a better potential source), and I'm not actually sure it is a higher quality digital copy, but if it is, I could upload it and let someone who really knows what they're doing toy around with it.  Perhaps it can be made useful.

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#561722
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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So here is my "color-corrected" (meaning somewhat improved, but still quite lacking) version of the very yellow Star Tours source:

http://www.2shared.com/video/wtV9BeNg/star_tours.html

Check it out.  It shows what can be done in just an hour with crappy footage, a worse than novice editor, using non-intuitive software that crashed on him three time.  Imagine if a real pro tried his hand at this!  Also, I don't have that DVD with me right now, and I'm not actually sure it is a higher quality digital copy, but if it is, I could upload it and let someone who really knows what they're doing toy around with it.  Perhaps it can be made useful.

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#561719
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Personally I find it very fitting, especially in the context of both trilogies.  I like how it ties the two characters together.  It's amazing how a title shapes the perspective of the film :)  I also liked Ronsters idea, but I would have to lean slightly more towards this one

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#561717
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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So I am currently converting it to an mpeg.  As the source material is low quality, I couldn't seem to improve the detail, but it looks a lot better, particularly the colors.

 

So I'm finally getting around to interpreting the votes and updating the script.  A couple of things did not pass the vote except through the maybes.  The way of interpreting maybe votes is that they count as 1/2 a yes vote.  If there are more no than yes votes, the maybes may tip the vote, not so that it becomes a yes, but that it is up for further discussion.  Here are the raw results again.

So up for further debate is the Bothan thing.  The nays outweigh the yeas, but the maybes bring it up for further debate.  I personally think the idea needs to go.  This edit will be radical in some regards, and perhaps a leter edit can expand upon this, but I personally feel that the Bothan thing can go, and if anything needs to be changed to avoid this issue, we can simply remove the Bothans line from Mon Mothma.  That means even that we don't have to show any spy stuff or information transmission.  Again, I want to emphasize that I like Ronsters alternative opening, and I hope he doesn't give up on it, as I'm sure he can learn the skills needed to make it reality if he wants to.  But I think for this edit it might be best to keep it simple.

This of course means we don't have to debate the appearance of the Bothans.  But we're still very unsure of what they look like, though overall the maybes tipped it to be more like the EU canon (and the maybes did not tip it towards simply being human).

At a tie (or the simpler version slightly lost), but both winning with the maybe votes is the extended Dagobah opening with Yoda giving Luke a green crystal for his lightsaber and Luke also constructing the lightsaber with the Force.  I really like these ideas, believe me, but again I'm concerned about the possibility of doing it.  I really think reused footage should be used cautiously, probably not involving characters, and altered to the point that it's not obvious.  Any reused footage would be too obvious in this scenario I fear.  The crystal thing might be possible alone without this problem, but can it be done with our special effects crew?  And if so, is it too distracting from the important emotional and expository aspects of the scene where Yoda dies?  Do we need it?  I'm not sure.

I forgot to include Sluggo's idea about the droids landing on the skiff in the last vote.  I will try to do so in the next round, but I'm going to go ahead and add it to the script, because I think it would be worthwhile.  If no one opposes, I'll write it in (I was sold on it, if that's not clear).

I'll talk more about results later.

 

Another note is the matter of efficiency.  Let me precede that thought by something said in another thread.  This edit was called "darth_ender's edit."  I don't feel this is fair, because while I am clearly the one who made the first post and I'm clearly quite passionate about it, I am not the one doing any editing at all.  At best, I could be credited for the screenplay or something.  I don't want to be like George, taking all the glory for ideas, while others do the hard work.  The big downfall of his recent works is that he does not allow for enough of others' input.  I encourage it.  When it comes down to it, I want this edit to simply be subtitled, "The Collaborative Edit."  And I am being completely honest when I say that I wouldn't even be offended if my name never ended up in the credits.  I want no glory for my part in this edit.  I simply want to see it done.

With that preface, I think that once the third vote is over, I will be taking a more executive role, if that's okay with you guys.  This has become quite a task to keep track of everyone's ideas, and I'm sure we could come up with more and more till the end of time.  But this project is losing its steam, and unless I provide assignments, I fear it will never get done.  This of course would require the willingness of the editing team.  But what I propose is that when I've completed the final script, I will start delegating tasks to the editors.  They will still provide me with what they think is a reasonable timeframe, or perhaps an alternate preferred assignment if the one I've given is not up their alley.  That way we can see things getting done.

"I love democracy.  I love the Republic."

Okay, no, I'm not Palpatine.  I really don't want to be pushy, it's truly not in my nature.  But I believe if we convert this project into a machine rather than an idea pool, then it will actually get completed.  A collaborative edit is an ambitious thing, but if I continue to coordinate efforts, I'm positive it can be done.

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#561709
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Yeah, it's difficult with this program, especially since I don't know most of what I'm doing.  I just keep making stabs in the dark.  I don't always have a preview option in this program, so I adjust it in a separate window, then hit preview to see how it turned out.  But the truth is I'm getting decent results, so I'll keep trying for a bit and see how it turns out.

PS Thanks Ron for the suggestion.  I actually found a pretty good quality version (same yellow crappy source, but as good as it gets), and I'm using that one.  I suspect you will get better results, so keep at it too :)

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#561705
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Well, you know what they say, if you want something done, you've got to do it yourself.  I am using a free program called AVIdemux, and I'm having some decent results.  It will probably never be anywhere close to perfect under my hand, but at least I can show what is possible, and perhaps somebody with the know-how will fix it some time.  I really feel there is a ton of potential to this footage.  I'll post it when I'm done.

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#561673
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Well, I uploaded the Interactive Board Game in 19 parts, but JDownloader doesn't seem to recognize that the files are there, though they indeed are.  I uploaded to 2share, so I guess anyone who wants to can download each portion individually.  Sorry about the inconvenience.

 

http://www.2shared.com/

 

(Moth3r removed the direct links, as I had violated OT.com policy [oops]--let me know if you need them)

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#561672
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Star Tours - preservation dvd (Released)
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PJVader made it sound like he had a really good copy of this, but I can't find anything worthwhile online and all my efforts to contact him have come to naught.  I can think of three different types of sources that could perhaps be used to create a quality preservation.  However, I lack any real skills.  Let me pose three questions to those capable of fixing up these films:

Can the proper colors correction be applied to this rather yellow copy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9CWq5JmGOs

Can this video be stabilized so that we only see a steady shot of this handheld camera video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbGFi016Ac

Can this video be upscaled, as it seems rather lacking in color and detail:

http://www.martinsvids.net/?p=663

(Part 2, about 21 minutes in)

This film needs a decent preservation, and I'm hoping we can use some of the footage for our ROTJ collaborative edit, but I've really run out of luck in my quest for a decent copy.  Anyone know an answer?

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#561549
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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MrInsaneA said:

darth_ender said:

It's actually been pretty slow, but the biggest news is that we're seeking out new footage.  We've come up with some material from both Star Tours releases and an old Star Wars board game.

So some bad news.  The video collector who assured me that the version of Star Tours he was selling me was not the same as the YouTube yellow version...yeah, it's the exact same video.  Well, maybe it's good enough to be color corrected, but once again, I can't do it, and people here are already so busy taking care of real life and addressing other aspects of editing.  I had my hopes pretty high, and I'm honestly really disappointed.  Can it be fixed?  Does anyone want to try to correct at least portions of it?

EDIT: I shouldn't wallow in self-pity.  I hope everything's okay, MrInsaneA.  We're glad you're back!

Oh, I did forget to mention that I'm trying to organize the needed edits so that folks can more easily know which aspects to tackle and what is needed.  Again, it takes a while, but I'm trying to get it ready.

I'd like to know WHAT I'm basing my rough draft on. A revised version of the script would be nice, since a lot of voting would've changed the material.

Pushy pushy!  ;)  I'm working on it, as well as several other things.  I'll get it done asap.

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#561529
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Guys, I'm just realizing that we essentially voted for a forest fire on the Endor surface (passing MrInsaneA's suggested images on the vote).  How on earth (or Endor) can we do this?  I don't see how we could work the beautiful image into a reasonable plot device.  We're already trying to show the Ewoks in a disadvantaged position and only surviving because the generator is destroyed and the Imperials are then disorganized.  I don't see how with available footage we could make a reasonable plot line involving that, both because a forest fire would completely destroy them, and also because we'd have to show some resolution to this.  It just seems unreasonable to me.

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#561521
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Question for the amazing editors: is it possible to stabilize the shaky camera from the Star Tours handheld cam videos?  I know After Effects has Warp Stabilizer?  Could something like that produce a decent quality, stable, nicely colored copy of one of the HD YouTube videos?

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#561518
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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Not a bad mockup, and now that I understand it better, it seems very exciting.  Considering what the team is going for, I'm not sure it's a good fit for our edit, but I have to be honest, I really like where you're going with it.  I hope you do choose to flesh it out.  I really mean it.  I want you to make your own edit as well, as you've got some great ideas.  I of course hope you'll continue to contribute heavily here, but your ambitious ideas could make a very interesting alternative version.  In my opinion, there is no definitive version of these movies.  I can enjoy several different takes, and if you make an alternate, I'm sure I'd be very pleased :)  Your skills are really improving there, and you've talked me into downloading the trial version as well, though I'll probably end up wasting most of the time.

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#561497
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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So I don't know if it helps, but I've got three different versions of varying quality.  The one I just purchased is lacking most color, there is a handheld camera version I downloaded from YouTube (Harmy's suggestion) that has great color but is very shaky, and I downloaded a copy by a fellow named Martin Smith which is better color than the yellow version, but still not a whole lot of color.  It looks like it was probably a handheld camera version that was edited frame by frame to only include the screen and is thus not shaky, but it shows a standard camera shot from the audience in a couple of points as filler when apparently the better source didn't work out.  I don't know if somehow using all three version could help an ambitious person to recreate something closer to the original or not.  I imagine it would be a very interesting preservation project, but I don't know if someone talented is interested in the idea enough to devoted the time to it.

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#561492
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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It's actually been pretty slow, but the biggest news is that we're seeking out new footage.  We've come up with some material from both Star Tours releases and an old Star Wars board game.

So some bad news.  The video collector who assured me that the version of Star Tours he was selling me was not the same as the YouTube yellow version...yeah, it's the exact same video.  Well, maybe it's good enough to be color corrected, but once again, I can't do it, and people here are already so busy taking care of real life and addressing other aspects of editing.  I had my hopes pretty high, and I'm honestly really disappointed.  Can it be fixed?  Does anyone want to try to correct at least portions of it?

EDIT: I shouldn't wallow in self-pity.  I hope everything's okay, MrInsaneA.  We're glad you're back!

Oh, I did forget to mention that I'm trying to organize the needed edits so that folks can more easily know which aspects to tackle and what is needed.  Again, it takes a while, but I'm trying to get it ready.

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#561470
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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It sounds like you're gaining a lot of experience and learning quickly.  It might be worth it for you to pay for the full version.  Again, I hope to see how it turns out.  Though I'm not sure it would fit in this collaborative version, I have to be honest that I'd love to see the Executor.  I really think you should ultimately make your own edit when we're done with this :)  Your radical ideas honestly sound really fun.

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#561379
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Collaborative Fanediting: An ROTJ Proposition (BACK ON TRACK WITH EMANSWFAN AT THE HELM--SEE POST 1488 OR OP FOR A LINK!)
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New plan:

Everything just takes too darn long.  What I'm doing is borrowing the googledoc used to describe the various changes throughout the movie's numerous releases.  I'm deleting any extraneous stuff and only keeping the GOUT and 2004 DVD (and maybe the 2011 BD) details.  In the column describing the changes, I will note all the desired changes we have pretty firmly decided on.  I will also include links to audio, video, and pictures to best capture ideas.  I will upload it and make it available to editing by the team of editors, who can then annotate what they're working on and what is completed.  Editors, what do you think of this plan?  Will this give you guys appropriate direction?