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#581703
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Dark Knight Rises - Now that we know the cast
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I'm refusing to watching any new TV spots to preserve more new footage for me.  But I'm curious as to how Knightfall elements would be "cheaply" tossed in?  Each of the movies has borrowed heavily from some comic storyline, such as Year One and The Long Halloween.  When only dealing with three films and Bane as the primary villain of the third movie, I don't see how the film could avoid Knightfall.

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#581588
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The Enderverse (WAS: Finally! Ender's Game emerges from Development Hell!)
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You can tell a thread is not successful when its author also contributes 66.7% of the posts and closer to 90% of the words to it.  But nevertheless, I love the Ender series and will continue to bump this thread when I want to talk about it.  Though I started this thread with the movie in mind, I think it could serve as the discussion of all things related.

So lately I've read Ender's Game, Ender's Game (short story, of which the book is a later expansion), Ender's Shadow, A War of Gifts, and several short story prequels such as Mazer in Prison, The Polish Boy, Teacher's Pest, Pretty Boy, and Cheater, and now I am reading Ender in Exile.  Here I offer very brief reviews of each.

*No spoilers*

Ender's Game continues to fascinate me, and I really empathize with the youthful primary character.  He is both brilliant and tragic as he is manipulated by others and his brilliance is channeled.  I still love this book.

The short story preceded the book by several years, but it's largely the same story of a small segment of the larger story.  There are a few differences and things that were later changed, some of which were discussions by the adults about the dilemmas they faced when manipulating a child to do good/horrible things.  While there are similar discussions in the novel, they are different, so in that sense the short story fleshed out their dilemma a tiny bit.  An interesting, though not necessary read.

Ender's Shadow came I think 13 years after Ender's Game.  It largely covers the same time period as Ender's Game, and largely the same setting as well, but from the perspective of a different character (named Bean) in order to broaden the same story.  You can tell the (Mormon) author's style has matured, and in many respects it is a better written book.  However, the character that we only get some familiarity with in Ender's Game is taken in a different direction than originally implied.  He is far more complex, which is good, but in many ways I find him degrading to Ender and his brilliance.  The author undercuts his own work, and therefore I look at it as a retcon or like I look at the PT: enjoyable, though inferior and not in the same level of personal canon.

A War of Gifts also broadens the Ender's Game story.  It takes place in a small window of the time of that book, a time which is largely glossed over originally.  It deals with religious repression (as in oppressing religion and religions that oppress) and abuse.  Ender's brilliance is not only analytic, but also empathetic.  Short and simple, but I enjoyed it.

Mazer in Prison was very short, but it expanded the universe a tad and gave us more familiarity with the previously unreachable Mazer Rakham.  Make sure you read Ender's Game first, as this, though a prequel, would spoil some of the little surprises.  The same goes for all the short stories I've read thus far, really.  Enjoyable, but nothing fantastic.

The Polish Boy gives us an inkling of how Ender and his siblings came to be so smart: it runs in the family, and we learn about Ender's Polish father when a child.  Also good, but nothing fantastic.

Teacher's Pest...the Polish boy is now an adult and tries to court a very bright woman.  I enjoyed the nature of their budding romance, their analysis of world politics, and their ambitions.  It managed to cram a lot of character development into such a brief story, and this was my personal fave of all the shorts I've yet read.

Pretty Boy deals with the preschool days of Ender's nemesis, Bonito "Bonzo" Madrid.  You hate him in Ender's Game, but unlike Anakin (who was never likable, even before he turned bad), I did actually find myself caring about what changed this boy into such a bad kid.  My second favorite of the shorts.

Cheater deals with the rather obscure Han Tzu.  Actually, I think the Shadow branch of the series expands upon him, but it's been a while.  Thus far in my reading and rereading, he's not really developed extensively.  This story shows what lengths Tzu's father went to prove his boy was brilliant, and how such efforts were unnecessary, as his boy was innately brilliant without any boosts.

Now I'm in Ender in Exile.  This takes place between Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, which was originally the direct sequel.  Many years later, this interquel was written to deal with the difficulties of a hero/monster, and what sort of future he has to look to.  Ender is once again the main character, and thus far it's been slow, but a good slow, if you know what I mean.  I'm enjoying it so far as we gain familiarity with old characters and learn about new ones.  There are other short stories that deal with this time frame (A Young Man with Prospects, and Ender in Flight), but this book absorbs those short stories and even uses almost identical wording.  So far so good, but I'll give a final verdict when done.

If you want to read my debate about Ender vs. Bean, you can do so at The Philotic Web, but be warned, there are spoilers.  Sorry my link doesn't take you to the start of my posts, but rather to the topic.  I don't know of how to get to the actual post, but I started my debate on May 26, 2012 (page 2).

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#581517
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Religion
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So I am in a microbiology class over the summer.  Such fascinating stuff.  The most primitive forms of life on our planet, bacteria and archaea, are more complex than I can imagine.  There is in fact a certainly complexity to them to compensate for their shortcomings when compared to eukaryotic cells, such as energy production.  Protein synthesis.  Glycolysis, Krebs cycle, electron transfer chain.  Billions of codes of DNA.  Incredible!  Utterly incredible!

I can't pretend to know how God created life or what process he used to guide it to what it is today, with mankind as his masterpiece.  But there is no way that I could possibly believe that God did not have a hand in all this.

Interesting article on the the mathematical probability of intelligent life on other planets.

http://www.science20.com/news_releases/the_mathematical_probability_of_life_on_other_earth_like_planets

No matter how you view the universe, we are something truly special...unless you hold that weird view about mankind being the biggest, most destructive mistake of the universe.  That's right, battery man, I'm looking at you ;)

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#581511
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Do you think the average citizen of the Star Wars galaxy would even be aware of the Force?
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Yeah, perhaps.  Han did acknowledge that Bespin was "pretty far, but I think we can make it," too.  Still, it would take years if the scale is like our solar system, but as xhonzi said, we can imagine that Star Wars systems, or perhaps even just Hoth, Anoat, and Bespin, are closer than the norm.

Just an added thought, it appears that Luke never jumps to hyperspace either.  He wants to "keep it on manual for a while," and thereafter steers a bit, implying a sublight trip.  I guess all these systems might be pretty close.  But again, you can't rip a movie like this for not being scientifically accurate.  You watch it for enjoyment, not physics lessons.

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#581495
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never mind (was temporary political thread)
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Can we utilize this thread for silly political discussions too?  I thought this worthwhile:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/sweden-left-party-toilet-stand_n_1590572.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

Should those Swedes armed with Y chromosomes and the accompanying anatomy be required to sit down when urinating?  That's what the Leftist party there wants.  Please give your thoughts.  That sounds like a very controlling government to me ;)

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#581469
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Do you think the average citizen of the Star Wars galaxy would even be aware of the Force?
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DuracellEnergizer said:

Maybe Bespin is close enough to Hoth to allow the Falcon to get there on sublight alone. And who knows how much time passed between the scenes of their departure and arrival? They may have spent several weeks en route.

 Not likely.  To travel from our sun to Pluto would take an average of 340 light minutes (i.e. if the Falcon were traveling at exactly the speed of light, it would take 340 minutes to do so, more than 5 hours).  Now the passage of time is unclear, but what is clear is that the Falcon isn't ever travelling nearly that fast, and it has several hangups between systems.  And those 340 light minutes are just to the Kuiper belt and the dwarf planet Pluto, not actually out of our solar system.  The next closest star to us is Alpha Centauri (actually two stars), which happen to be about 4.37 lightyears away.  Travelling at even a rapid sublight pace would take years.  Now obviously Hoth is the Sol sytem and Anoat or Bespin aren't Alpha Centauri, but nevertheless, if Star Wars existed in the real universe, likely similar distances would apply.  In the distances they talk about in ESB, it's likely that such close stars would in reality be considered binary stars.  Alpha Centauri A and B are about as far apart as Uranus from the sun, or about 24 times the distance of earth to the sun (or 24 AU--Pluto's average distance being about 40 AU).  This approximately means about 200 light minutes.  Now it is unclear how time passes in ESB.  Are they stranded for months before arriving at Bespin?  I don't think so.  It really seems like no more than a few days.

Gosh, I'm really getting into mumbo jumbo.  At the end of the day, it's unlikely that such distances could be traversed in so little time on sublight speeds.  We just have to accept that we are in a fantasy universe and enjoy a "perfect" movie where solar systems are unreasonably close and people can walk with gas masks inside an asteroid without their blood boiling and their eyeballs bursting.  I still love ESB.

 

In answer to the original question, it seems like just from OT inferences the Jedi were well known.  Ben told Luke they were the guardians of peace and justice.  Though not the only police force, it seems they would have been a major fighting force of galaxy-wide renown.

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#581445
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Best Jedi?
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xhonzi said:

The best Jedi:

Is, of course, Xhonzi from the planet Naboo who beat Ric Olie in a handsome contest, so we know that he is not only powerful, wise, and kind, but also handsome.

Strange that I cannot find his wikipedia page right now...

 He's so handsome, and yet google can't even find a picture of his face!  I'm wondering if this contest was rigged.

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#581357
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"Classic Star Wars" Comic Collections: Should I get them?
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TV's Frink said:

No, you shouldn't. Also, you should go outside more, and you should call your Mom more than once a month, even though she says you don't have to.

The best response to Frink's joke is probably something more like this:

TV's Frink, I was at your mom's last night.  She told me the that her you don't even call her that often.  But don't you worry; I was there to comfort her.

He loves that sort of thing ;)

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#581349
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"Classic Star Wars" Comic Collections: Should I get them?
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I can count the number of serious posts I've read by TV's Frink on two hands.  It's a joke, and completely innocent in intent.  If I can find it, I should locate my early reaction to Frink's posts, which offended me at the time before I realized what a nice guy he really is.  I was young (to this site) and foolish back then.

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#581296
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Muxing up Movie quotes
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Bingowings said:

 

OR

 

"This is your captain, Rex, from the cockpit. I know it's probably your first flight, and it's... mine, too. Heh heh. Looks like we'll have a smooth flight to Endor, so I'll go ahead and open the cockpit shield. Hi there! I see they're loading our navigator, R2-D2, and then we'll be on our way... so just sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight."

 

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#581277
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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By the way, that is the only appearance of Hobbie in the final film.  You hear Luke call to him several times over the com, but we never see him respond. "Hobbie, you still with me?"  External shot.  It's the same pilot you see crash into Veers' walker in the deleted scene.  Perhaps his other lines were horrible, and that's why we never see him in the cockpit.  EDIT: He was another one of those dubbed Brits, so we can't blame the actor ;)

Just thought I'd mention it as an FYI, since no one mentioned it and now I wonder if few knew it.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Derek_Klivian

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#581239
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Who did Darth Vader kill?
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It seems to me that the novel also called him Dutch, and I'm surprised that the article didn't mention that.  I agree, though, that if the subtitles and script call him Hutch, and the film is the higher canon version of the story, there should not be any dispute.  I'll check the novel when I get the chance.  I'm at school right now...

...Actually, I just remembered I had a txt version of the novel on my laptop...just looked it up, and indeed he is Dutch in the novel.  There lies the primary source of confusion.  But again, the movie is the more official version.  He's also Red Leader in the novel, leader of the Red Squadron Y-wings.  The X-wings are Blue Squadron, so clearly the film is the higher canon source.

So to correct the above list, Hop_hest, Darth Vader killed Gold Leader, Jon "Hutch" Vander.  I'll correct the above list as well.