logo Sign In

darth_ender

User Group
Members
Join date
26-Apr-2011
Last activity
8-Oct-2025
Posts
8,815

Post History

Post
#651174
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

darth_ender said:

FanFiltration said:

darth_ender said:

Weren't there several different versions of TMP released?  What are they and which is best?

My "Special Longer Version" using letterbox footage from multiple sources. All released versions had been P&S.  *Grin*

Snatched! :)

Out of curiosity, between the Special Longer Version and the Director's Cut, is all released TMP material made available, or are there other cuts that include even more stuff.  I don't have the patience to go through and catalog these differences myself.

I know TWOK Theatrical and Director's Cuts both still miss some stuff that I'm not even sure how it got out there, like Saavik's half-Romulan heritage, etc.

Post
#650777
Topic
The Great Robot Chicken Debate--A Place Where Folks Can Argue Whether It's a Hilarious or Unfunny Show
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

Bingowings said:


The title of the thread is clearly an invitation to write about Mormons in Star Trek.


Mormons in Trek, eh ... makes sense, what with all the human aliens and God living on a planet in the centre of the galaxy and all ...

 

More like an ignorant "educational" film on Mormons who try to cast us in a sci-fi light.  It's actually a common and inaccurate tactic.  But you missed an opportunity for a Kodos and Kang joke. ;)

Post
#650385
Topic
The Armchair Movie Critic thread
Time

I love fanedit.org.  I love the possibilities of taking movies I enjoy and making them better, or movies I hate and making me like them, or even just making an alternate interpretation of an already wonderful movie.  I think so many of the editors there are amazingly creative and clever.  But as I pointed out in the first post of this thread, fanediting sites seem to create a culture where nothing is good enough, and I think that while we specialize in tearing down Star Wars here, FE.org is much broader and can destroy pretty much any movie's original form.  Often the editors remove elements that frankly I enjoy, so watching their edits can be a trade off, where I get some improvement to a film, but I also have to live with some loss.  For instance, I like the idea of tying The Hobbit to the LOTR trilogy with a Bilbo/Frodo conversation in the beginning.  I mean, if the movies had been created and released in proper order, such would not be necessary.  But since many fans of the films have never read the books, I find it a nice way to tie the two together and a fine way to make clear that, hey, we're watching a prequel.  But people and FE.org are convinced that it's all just pandering to mindless masses.  From the same film, I actually liked the Azog the Defiler subplot, and think it is what makes a trilogy out of the novel possible.  It's not the purist thing to do, but I found it a worthy way to adapt it to the film.  Another example is the film that prompted this thread: The Dark Knight Rises.  I freely admit that Nolan probably made more bad choices in this film than the previous two, though in many ways I love it best.  But still, there comes a point where the critiquing goes overboard.  For instance, we are in a prison, but because it doesn't have the same prison culture that Bruce's prison in the opening of BB had, it's "not realistic."  In my mind, it has its own culture, one much more fraternal in nature.  First, I suspect most of these prisoners were not evil wrongdoers, but rather men who crossed the League of Shadows.  Second, Bane's (though really Talia's) escape has created a belief that all those condemned to die might find an escape.  In my mind, it's a brilliantly different culture.  But these kinds of things bug far too many of the editors there.  If I ever had the time and skill, I'd love to approach movies more moderately, but I don't think I'll ever find those missing elements.  In any case, I found this thread captures perfectly what I feel is too serious a problem for the folks who frequent these two sites:

http://www.fanedit.org/forums/showthread.php?9146-Is-our-collective-palate-too-refined&highlight=dark+knight+rises

Post
#650383
Topic
Deleted, altered, and alternate material project (Released)
Time

Alright, I am going to ask for help.  My time is terribly limited, but I would like to get this done eventually.  I need help organizing the various photos, and it is surprisingly time consuming.  I am already a good chunk of the way through ANH, but if I could get two separate people who might be willing to organize ESB and ROTJ chronologically somewhat, I'd be very, very grateful.  This project continues to plod along.  Post or PM me, and I can give you a link and instructions.  Thanks :)

Post
#650282
Topic
All Things Star Trek
Time

darth_ender said:

http://trekweb.com/stbbs/showThread.php?bid=FldwoPP0qETo2&tid=51d6ad8aa7ac2&cid=51d6ad8aa7c00&viewby=&sort=&order=#51d6ad8aa7c00

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=218890

BionicBob from FE.org included these links.  Apparently some fans made a high quality fanedit of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, updating the special effects and including the deleted rock monster scene.  Unfortunately they tried to go the fully legitimate route and sent it to CBS, which means it will probably be locked up with a cease and desist letter in return, but I hope I will get to see a more attractive TFF.  In my mind, it's actually a movie with a lot of good potential, and it saddens me that it has such a negative reputation.  The interaction between the main trio is wonderful in this film, IMO.

By the way, I finally finished Enterprise, the novel detailing Kirk's first time on the job as captain of the Enterprise, taking over for Pike.  There were a number of interesting elements of character development, but honestly, most of the book was just that with little else.  When the actually conflict materialized, it was rather light in feeling, which is fine considering it feels very much like a TOS episode, but the thing is that the whole book is long and slow.  It would be like watching a four part episode with part 3 dealing with the plot and the rest simply dealing with Kirk's insecurity in his new position and other humorous flotsam.  I enjoyed it, but it should have either been much shorter or dealt with a much more interesting threat.

JEDIT: Having just sampled a YouTube video, I now see that it's still not up to today's SFX standards, but is still a fine example of how the movie can be improved with modern work.  I do enjoy what I see, and would love to see the whole thing.

Now having sufficiently offended a few people I'm sure, perhaps I can get this thread back on track ;)  I'm surprised no one commented on this.  I hope it flourishes.

Meanwhile, I'm reading Best Destiny, taking place immediately after STVI as Kirk and the gang take the Enterprise to be back to 001 to get her decommissioned.  But as they encounter yet again another emergency, Kirk is reminded of his rebellious youth, which we has the audience have the privilege of spending most of the book reading.  Only like 80 pages into it, but so far I'm really enjoying it, and it develops Captain April, whom I've wondered about for some time.

Post
#649635
Topic
The Great Robot Chicken Debate--A Place Where Folks Can Argue Whether It's a Hilarious or Unfunny Show
Time

doubleofive said:

A friend of mine makes a very convincing argument that ST3 is anti-science and actually undermines ST2 in significant ways.

Yeah, it definitely is unscientific in a number of ways (Excelsior slowing down when the engines fizzled, regenerated Spock aging in surges along with the unexplained protomatter, etc.), but that doesn't detract from the experience for me.  Star Trek II is very unscientific as well: how does the Genesis device account for the gravity of an existing planetary body, or its proximity to its star (which would dramatically affect the viability and type of life that would exist)?  How could the Reliant not realize that an entire planet (Ceti Alpha 6) was missing from the solar system, or confuse Ceti Alpha 5 with it?  You'd think if Ceti Alpha 6 exploded, with would have pushed 5 closer to the star (which would justifiably account for a hotter environment).  But then, that doesn't mean it assumed the orbit of the 6th planet in the system, which would be further from its sun.  How could Carol Marcus not only pack an unrealistic Genesis device into a tiny package, but even drill out beautiful caves and tunnels in a day, faster than a corps of Starfleet engineers?  Nebula dust is not so dust to be like flying through a fog--it only looks dense when you're viewing it from millions+ lightyears away.  Plus they don't move like they have weather patterns or flash like strobe lights.  Nebulae don't exist in solar systems because they are either unformed matter (while a solar system has indeed already formed, and the existing gravity would have pulled it into some other form), or are created from supernovae.  Yeah, and silly me, I'm the kind of person that always thinks of these sorts of scientific problems.  I could easily let them disrupt my enjoyment, but I don't.  As for undermining ST2, I think SilverWook put it pretty well.

No disrespect to you or your friend.  I just feel compelled to come to TSFS's defense! :)