darth_ender

Thank you for the outpouring of support.  Sometimes one wonders if online friends can possibly care, and it turns out some do.

Yes, I have been stressed out lately.  I come here to unwind, and I found it extremely burdensome to have to defend myself at every turn in the recent argument.  I honestly wasn't even sure I'd get any response, much less so many hostile responses.  I only meant to share my opinion, not to sound condescending, but I really got hammered over it.

But when I realized that Bingowings had created a whole thread which clearly was meant as a sleight against me, I found it ultimately very hurtful.  I mean, people obviously were missing his presence here, and I never intended for him to leave.  I feel even now that his reasoning was very petty and we were simply having an honest, if passionate debate that he turned ugly by insisting on making it very personal.  I feel there is a rift with a guy I used to really like, and seeing him make little passive-aggressive moves like that was sort of the last straw.

But that said, I really don't want to leave here.  I'm not in so grumpy a mood at present, and knowing that I do have folks here who'd rather have me stay, I will stay.  I don't get to post much these days anyway, so things will probably resume that status quo.  Thanks again to you all.

I think I need to leave Off Topic.  I don't intend to leave the site since I am following several projects, but I think after 4 years I have worn out my welcome here.  Apparently Bingowings' passive-aggressiveness is better appreciated, and I don't have time to constantly argue and defend myself anymore.

At least when I disagree, I have the courage to stand up to someone instead of trying to mock.

^Exactly.  As if such an argument were a shocker.

Davnes007 finally has returned the favor and put me on ignore.  He is the only one who has managed to stay on ignore for so long.  I don't know what I did to earn it, but I'm guessing it's my distaste for porn.

I don't mind you bringing your frustrations, but I do mind your helplessness. You can succeed. You can find s way.  I know it :)

Yes, while I am sorry for my teasing and picking before, I think that sometimes you need to be told to snap out of it.  There are options.  You actually live in a great country.  It's imperfect, but there is no excuse for you not having enough to eat.  There are options for anyone who is willing to put forth the effort, even if the effort is to apply for food stamps or go to a food bank.  My family was just watching YouTube videos the other night about poor starving families in Africa.  Look some of those up, and then count your blessings.  It really could help to have some perspective.

Oh, by the way everyone, did I mention that I believe that sex is sacred and should be treated as such?  And trashy literature and film are a means of disrespecting that.

Actually, I think I did.  Yeah, that's right, it was my frickin' point from the beginning.

I don't think I'm better than others.  I think I just have a right to that opinion.  You don't have to agree.  That's the beauty of a free society.

I'm done with this topic now.

imperialscum said:

darth_ender said:

Oh, and since you are passionate in defending both everyone's sexual rights as you are my religious rights, I really appreciate all those times you came to my defense when my beliefs were indeed mocked in this very forum with equal vigor.

Oh yeah.  You never did.

Because the two are not equal. Religion is some nonsense that human has created, while sex is essential part of the nature.

Don't get offended by this. As a scientist I still consider a possibility that the science is wrong and your religion is right. But the probability of that is extremely low.

 I don't really need him to defend it, as he pointed out.  I was just trying to make an inference of hypocrisy.  I have defended myself quite extensively here.

That said, you are not the first to say so here.  It's all the rage not to believe in God.  But to say religion is just nonsense is, in fact, nonsense.  Religion is built into humanity.  Even most who do not believe in deity in any form still engage in religious-like behaviors and rituals, whether they realize it or not.  It too is a part of humanity.

And I understand that sexuality is also an essential part of nature.  I just believe in treating that part with more respect than I feel it gets these days.

hairy_hen said:

. . . and you're still explaining the joke.

I'd explain why I think mockery is sufficient to defeat your argument, but that would defeat the purpose.

 Or maybe you are just tuned into the wrong station completely.

I have always liked DominicCobb.  So far, as this is our second interaction, I have not liked what you've had to say either time. Clearly you have misunderstood me from the beginning, and are determined to try to make yourself look smug.

darth_ender: I don't really like pie.

hairy_hen: Well, pi R squared!  So there!  Ha! Hahahaha!

darth_ender: I'm afraid you don't get it.

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

darth_ender said:

 ...

 Cobb, I don't care about you "prowling" my thread.  I've been attacked elsewhere, including politics, where I know you have at least trodden before.  But perhaps you have missed such things.  No matter.  Look at my above quote.  Perhaps I can sound holier than thou, but reread the quote, particularly the underlined part.  I am sharing my personal views and why I find the book, not you, so offensive.  I don't understand why you, hairy_hen, and everyone else so passionate about personal liberty (which I too value, but only along with personal responsibility) is so up in arms about.  The book is offensive to me.  I shared it as a random thought.  You don't find it offensive and feel that near pornographic films and books should be accessible to teens.  I disagree.  It's my random thought.  I'm sorry that you think it is so horrible of me to use my personal liberties to express my personal views in a random thoughts thread.

 I rarely enter the politics thread as it never fails to give me a headache. Engaging in discussion there usually goes nowhere. 

Notice that your holier than thou attitude comes through in that very quote you underlined: "but I understand if not everyone cares about such virtues." The fact that you think we are people who just "don't care" about virtues is a little condescending. We simply do not find waiting until marriage for sex a virtue. That does not make us virtueless people.

I never said that those like you are virtueless people.  I am a well liked person, pretty popular in my social circles, where most think more like you.  This would not be the case were that what I were saying or secretly believing.  Perhaps my phrasing could be construed that way, and for that I apologize.  But reread it yet again.  You will see that what I am intending is that not everyone considers a virtue what I consider a virtue.  That does not make them without virtue.  Clearly that was my intent.  In other words, not everyone shares my morals.  I don't mean that others do not have morals themselves.

I don't care about how you feel about the book, I noted myself that it is by all means a work of utter garbage. I don't find it offensive and you do, and that's fine. That's not what I find offensive. It's just your attitude. Though perhaps your point is that it is your personal right to find my beliefs immoral? If so, fair enough. But it is unfortunate.

 I never made that point or anything remotely close to it.  So feel free to get offended at what I didn't say, but if you do, that is unfortunate.

While I do find your moral standards different (and admittedly, lower than mine, as I'm sure you find my tolerance for different forms of sexual expression a lower moral than yours, and so you should be able to see that I truly mean no offense by saying so), I am not calling you immoral.  Many people are extremely good, moral people who have different standards on different topics.  I personally feel like our society loves to actually flaunt sex at every turn.  Most of us will not die virgins.  Nearly everyone has sex at some point in their life.  It's part of being human.  But I don't feel we need to have it broadcast on screen, or accept such broadcasts so readily.  That is all my point ever was.  Too bad hairy_hen needs to give Jesus the bird over it.

BTW, there's a chance to defend my beliefs, should you feel so inspired.

 If that was truly your intent then fair enough, I apologize, but it certainly didn't come across that way. Blame it on phrasing I suppose but it really did sound like you were insulting the morals of people like me. 

I'm not a fan of arguing as I think it mostly just leads to resentment on both sides and I don't want to cause that so if you don't mind I'll chalk this all up to misunderstanding on both parts and we can drop it.

By the way, though I respect your beliefs, don't expect me to defend you every chance I get, I never said I would do that. Not sure why you keep with that point. Remember the only reason I brought up your religion was as a comparison, in defending myself. You're plenty capable of defending yourself, you don't need me to pop in every time that your beliefs are threatened, and don't think that I will. I don't and won't expect you to defend me when my beliefs are threatened.

 I agree, I'd rather drop it.  I generally have gotten along with you and don't want hard feelings between us.  Again, if you look especially at my first comment, I was talking about the book, and how I don't like how our society is so preoccupied with sex.  It's my right to feel that way, and I definitely don't think anything said there should have been taken as arrogant.  In my lengtheir comment, I can see what was interpreted as rude, but I assure you I was simply trying to show why I feel what I feel.  But in the words of the great Boss Nass:

"THBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBLBL!"

Wait, not that quote.  Here:

"Weesa...being friends."

@hairy_hen, of course I get it. I know you think you're being witty. Your problem is that you think wit makes for a worthwhile argument. Considering you've hardly interacted with me, I think you shouldn't be so hasty to belittle. You think I'm so stupid as to believe you would do such things? Of course it was satire. On the other hand, you did select those items in an effort to offend, not because you really planned to do them, but because you chose to make light of my views on the topic as a whole.

And you're still a moron.

DominicCobb said:

darth_ender said:

darth_ender said:

 One could argue that anyone who murders is mentally ill.

But while I avoid overly violent movies, let's look at the difference in interpretation for a minute.  Has society seen in increase in violence due to watching The Godfather or Saving Private Ryan?  I would argue that perhaps not due to these movies, but due to some, there has been some increase, as such violence is seen as "cool".  Nevertheless, overall most people understand that such is not acceptable.

On the other hand, let's look at promiscuity, at sexual abuse.  Though society has indeed come to a greater understanding of women's rights, it appears that sexual violence is in fact on the rise.  Sexual frivolity, infidelity, teen pregnancy, abortions, and the like are certainly much more prevalent than before.  To what can we attribute this rise?  Largely the media portrayal and acceptance of such behavior.

Now I know I am coming from a conservative viewpoint.  I have been married for eight years and have had one sexual partner in all my life, starting with my wedding night and not a moment before.  I am proud of such a lifestyle, but I understand that not everyone cares about such virtues.  Instead, there seems to be a need to "educate" me on BDSM (as if I have a history of engaging in topics I know nothing about).  But let me review why I made my first post, and we shall skip all the differing of more enlightened individuals.

First, 50 Shades of Gray is an erotic novel.  To me, this is pornography.  I oppose the flaunting of sex.  It is called intimacy for a reason.  It is to be shared between the partners and none else.  I made love to my wife last night.  Did I record and upload it for you all to see?  No.  I am keeping it personal.

Second, the novel promotes sex out of marriage.  Obviously I oppose this for reasons already stated.

Third, it treats sex as a form of selfish pleasure rather than selfless giving and sharing.  What did I do with my wife last night?  I didn't screw her, I didn't tap that, I didn't use any other disrespectful term.  I made love, because I feel that when we engaged in sexual contact, it was about loving giving rather than lustful taking.

Fourth, that novel shows BDSM, even if I did find that as a selfless form of sex (I don't), as abuse.  Many who have read it (and I'm going by their opinion, as I have not) feel it shows an abusive, controlling, manipulative relationship, not a giving relationship between equal partners.  So even if you argue that BDSM is a wonderful thing where the submissive is really in control (yeah, I'm sure that's how it always is), this book does not portray it that way.

And fifth, in spite of all this book has going against it, in spite of how trashy and poorly written it is, in spite of the negative psychology correlated with those who are fans of the book, it is a huge bestseller, with a movie made after it, shown just in time for Valentine's Day so that we can celebrate the day of love watching lustful, selfish indulgence and encourage more teens to get pregnant and glorify the worship of such self-serving behavior rather than the outward devotion that true love really is.

And people are buying their Fandango tickets in advance.

I don't care who the primary audience is.  It's a stupid book, it's a filthy movie, and it shows the dysfunction of our society.

I'm off work tonight.  I hope to make love to my wife again.

 Cobb, I don't care about you "prowling" my thread.  I've been attacked elsewhere, including politics, where I know you have at least trodden before.  But perhaps you have missed such things.  No matter.  Look at my above quote.  Perhaps I can sound holier than thou, but reread the quote, particularly the underlined part.  I am sharing my personal views and why I find the book, not you, so offensive.  I don't understand why you, hairy_hen, and everyone else so passionate about personal liberty (which I too value, but only along with personal responsibility) is so up in arms about.  The book is offensive to me.  I shared it as a random thought.  You don't find it offensive and feel that near pornographic films and books should be accessible to teens.  I disagree.  It's my random thought.  I'm sorry that you think it is so horrible of me to use my personal liberties to express my personal views in a random thoughts thread.

 I rarely enter the politics thread as it never fails to give me a headache. Engaging in discussion there usually goes nowhere. 

Notice that your holier than thou attitude comes through in that very quote you underlined: "but I understand if not everyone cares about such virtues." The fact that you think we are people who just "don't care" about virtues is a little condescending. We simply do not find waiting until marriage for sex a virtue. That does not make us virtueless people.

I never said that those like you are virtueless people.  I am a well liked person, pretty popular in my social circles, where most think more like you.  This would not be the case were that what I were saying or secretly believing.  Perhaps my phrasing could be construed that way, and for that I apologize.  But reread it yet again.  You will see that what I am intending is that not everyone considers a virtue what I consider a virtue.  That does not make them without virtue.  Clearly that was my intent.  In other words, not everyone shares my morals.  I don't mean that others do not have morals themselves.

I don't care about how you feel about the book, I noted myself that it is by all means a work of utter garbage. I don't find it offensive and you do, and that's fine. That's not what I find offensive. It's just your attitude. Though perhaps your point is that it is your personal right to find my beliefs immoral? If so, fair enough. But it is unfortunate.

 I never made that point or anything remotely close to it.  So feel free to get offended at what I didn't say, but if you do, that is unfortunate.

While I do find your moral standards different (and admittedly, lower than mine, as I'm sure you find my tolerance for different forms of sexual expression a lower moral than yours, and so you should be able to see that I truly mean no offense by saying so), I am not calling you immoral.  Many people are extremely good, moral people who have different standards on different topics.  I personally feel like our society loves to actually flaunt sex at every turn.  Most of us will not die virgins.  Nearly everyone has sex at some point in their life.  It's part of being human.  But I don't feel we need to have it broadcast on screen, or accept such broadcasts so readily.  That is all my point ever was.  Too bad hairy_hen needs to give Jesus the bird over it.

BTW, there's a chance to defend my beliefs, should you feel so inspired.

TV's Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV's Frink said:

I'm also curious how you are keeping it between you and your wife if you are telling the whole world you guys did it last night.

Is she cool with you posting that?

 Since I've shared that I am married and have kids, it's obviously no secret.  Am I being crude about it?  Am I sharing needless details?  Or am I sharing the fact that I love and respect my wife?

 Big difference between "I've had sex" and "I had sex last night." And I notice you didn't answer my question.

Wow, you say that like you have me cornered!  She does not know I've typed this.  However, considering that I will likely never meet you in real life, yet knows I had a similar conversation on the sacredness of sex in person with several coworkers just a week or so ago and was okay with it, I don't think she cares that I share such information with a bunch of folks on the world wide web.

Ryan McAvoy said:

On Sunday, 2.5 of the greatest minutes ever were broadcast on Irish Televison...

Stephen Fry on God / The Meaning Of Life / RTÉ One

The slightly horrified looks on the interviewer's (Gay Byrne) face make it all the better.

To borrow the title from Oolon Colluphid's 4th book "Well, That About Wraps It Up For God" ;-)

 Given the nature of offense I've managed to cause in another thread, I suppose I should become incensed over this.

This is terrible!  Utterly terrible!  I'm so offended that you shared your personal thoughts on something!

Ryan, you probably don't even know what I'm referring to, but perhaps others will.  It's idiotic.  I can't even bring myself to be offended, though this is more of a direct challenge to my beliefs than my sentiments were to others'.

darth_ender said:

 One could argue that anyone who murders is mentally ill.

But while I avoid overly violent movies, let's look at the difference in interpretation for a minute.  Has society seen in increase in violence due to watching The Godfather or Saving Private Ryan?  I would argue that perhaps not due to these movies, but due to some, there has been some increase, as such violence is seen as "cool".  Nevertheless, overall most people understand that such is not acceptable.

On the other hand, let's look at promiscuity, at sexual abuse.  Though society has indeed come to a greater understanding of women's rights, it appears that sexual violence is in fact on the rise.  Sexual frivolity, infidelity, teen pregnancy, abortions, and the like are certainly much more prevalent than before.  To what can we attribute this rise?  Largely the media portrayal and acceptance of such behavior.

Now I know I am coming from a conservative viewpoint.  I have been married for eight years and have had one sexual partner in all my life, starting with my wedding night and not a moment before.  I am proud of such a lifestyle, but I understand that not everyone cares about such virtues.  Instead, there seems to be a need to "educate" me on BDSM (as if I have a history of engaging in topics I know nothing about).  But let me review why I made my first post, and we shall skip all the differing of more enlightened individuals.

First, 50 Shades of Gray is an erotic novel.  To me, this is pornography.  I oppose the flaunting of sex.  It is called intimacy for a reason.  It is to be shared between the partners and none else.  I made love to my wife last night.  Did I record and upload it for you all to see?  No.  I am keeping it personal.

Second, the novel promotes sex out of marriage.  Obviously I oppose this for reasons already stated.

Third, it treats sex as a form of selfish pleasure rather than selfless giving and sharing.  What did I do with my wife last night?  I didn't screw her, I didn't tap that, I didn't use any other disrespectful term.  I made love, because I feel that when we engaged in sexual contact, it was about loving giving rather than lustful taking.

Fourth, that novel shows BDSM, even if I did find that as a selfless form of sex (I don't), as abuse.  Many who have read it (and I'm going by their opinion, as I have not) feel it shows an abusive, controlling, manipulative relationship, not a giving relationship between equal partners.  So even if you argue that BDSM is a wonderful thing where the submissive is really in control (yeah, I'm sure that's how it always is), this book does not portray it that way.

And fifth, in spite of all this book has going against it, in spite of how trashy and poorly written it is, in spite of the negative psychology correlated with those who are fans of the book, it is a huge bestseller, with a movie made after it, shown just in time for Valentine's Day so that we can celebrate the day of love watching lustful, selfish indulgence and encourage more teens to get pregnant and glorify the worship of such self-serving behavior rather than the outward devotion that true love really is.

And people are buying their Fandango tickets in advance.

I don't care who the primary audience is.  It's a stupid book, it's a filthy movie, and it shows the dysfunction of our society.

I'm off work tonight.  I hope to make love to my wife again.

 Cobb, I don't care about you "prowling" my thread.  I've been attacked elsewhere, including politics, where I know you have at least trodden before.  But perhaps you have missed such things.  No matter.  Look at my above quote.  Perhaps I can sound holier than thou, but reread the quote, particularly the underlined part.  I am sharing my personal views and why I find the book, not you, so offensive.  I don't understand why you, hairy_hen, and everyone else so passionate about personal liberty (which I too value, but only along with personal responsibility) is so up in arms about.  The book is offensive to me.  I shared it as a random thought.  You don't find it offensive and feel that near pornographic films and books should be accessible to teens.  I disagree.  It's my random thought.  I'm sorry that you think it is so horrible of me to use my personal liberties to express my personal views in a random thoughts thread.

Frank your Majesty said:

darth_ender said:

Sexual frivolity, infidelity, teen pregnancy, abortions, and the like are certainly much more prevalent than before.  To what can we attribute this rise?  Largely the media portrayal and acceptance of such behavior.

 Or does the media portray this behavior because it is already accepted? I don't think the influence of books, movies and TV is that great, simply because most people wouldn't watch a movie or read a book if they are strongly opposed to its topic. The media mainly reflects the behaviour of the society, which is much more formed by social factors.

 You are right.  The media has no effect on public opinion.

hairy_hen said:

Since this is after all the 'random thoughts' thread, my random thought is that I am bored with the repressive turn this thread has now taken, and am off to find a random target upon which to practice my screwing, tapping of that, and other ill-considered euphemisms.

I may also, if the mood strikes me, penetrate the rectums of weak-willed females, making them snort like pigs and call me Daddy, while flipping Jesus the bird and forcing them to read 50 Shades of Grey.

No doubt I shall contribute extensively to the moral decay of society in so doing.  Wish me luck . . .

 My random thought is that why, if someone is bored with the discussion, does he feel the need to attempt to be as insulting as possible in that conversation?

And my follow up thought is why has hairy_hen never proven himself to be more than a moron in his discussions of any depth?

TV's Frink said:

I'm also curious how you are keeping it between you and your wife if you are telling the whole world you guys did it last night.

Is she cool with you posting that?

 Since I've shared that I am married and have kids, it's obviously no secret.  Am I being crude about it?  Am I sharing needless details?  Or am I sharing the fact that I love and respect my wife?

DominicCobb said:

Ender, I understand your distaste for Fifty Shades of Grey as it is by all means a shit story, a shit book, and now a shit movie, but I'd really wish you'd tone it down on your condescension towards sexually "frivolous" people. It's rather offensive. I'm sure you wouldn't and don't appreciate others being condescending to you because of your religion. 

 Yes, I'm sure you hold your right to whatever sexual activity in equal sacredness as I do my religious convictions.  Please show me which quote you find so offensive.  I don't see how I was condescending, but rather shared why I feel a book has contributed to moral failings in society.  99% of this whole forum agrees with you rather than me, in that sex need not be saved for marriage, and the same applies with most of my associates in the real world.  I am merely sharing my reasoning as to why I find the book lacking in moral substance, and my moral stance as well.  How dare I?!

Oh, and since you are passionate in defending both everyone's sexual rights as you are my religious rights, I really appreciate all those times you came to my defense when my beliefs were indeed mocked in this very forum with equal vigor.

Oh yeah.  You never did.

Leonardo said:

darth_ender said:

TV's Frink said:

 in SilverWook said:

darth_ender said:

Why does our society glorify sex?  Further, why is the abuse of women so popular that Hollywood has to release a BDSM pornographic movie and rate it only R?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifty_shades_of_grey/

Funny, I thought our society glorified violence, as it's gets more of a pass from the MPAA than sex usually does. Blow people away all you want, but if you show just one penis, it's NC-17 for you! ;)

I thought the fanbase for the book was mostly women? Go fig.

 Exactly right on both counts.

 Our society does glorify violence as well, and that bugs me too.  How many people are inspired to do evil things because of movies and books?  Probably more than we care to admit.

One would argue, most of those people, if not all of them, are mentally ill. I think Catcher in the Rhye and a Bazooka Joe comic would have the same effect on some of them.

It couldn't possibly be because of the influence of some trashy novel or movie, just like kids never commit suicide because Marilyn Manson screamed something about it on a CD.

 I refer you to my above statement. Marilyn Manson is just an entertainer, no more of an act than Frank Sinatra. At least Manson's violence is an act, with Sinatra there are rumors of ties with people of a certain ilk. The fact that Manson's image is controversial is one thing, the fact that it "inspires" braindead people to kill, tells me there's a problem with them more than with the artist.

 One could argue that anyone who murders is mentally ill.

But while I avoid overly violent movies, let's look at the difference in interpretation for a minute.  Has society seen in increase in violence due to watching The Godfather or Saving Private Ryan?  I would argue that perhaps not due to these movies, but due to some, there has been some increase, as such violence is seen as "cool".  Nevertheless, overall most people understand that such is not acceptable.

On the other hand, let's look at promiscuity, at sexual abuse.  Though society has indeed come to a greater understanding of women's rights, it appears that sexual violence is in fact on the rise.  Sexual frivolity, infidelity, teen pregnancy, abortions, and the like are certainly much more prevalent than before.  To what can we attribute this rise?  Largely the media portrayal and acceptance of such behavior.

Now I know I am coming from a conservative viewpoint.  I have been married for eight years and have had one sexual partner in all my life, starting with my wedding night and not a moment before.  I am proud of such a lifestyle, but I understand that not everyone cares about such virtues.  Instead, there seems to be a need to "educate" me on BDSM (as if I have a history of engaging in topics I know nothing about).  But let me review why I made my first post, and we shall skip all the differing of more enlightened individuals.

First, 50 Shades of Gray is an erotic novel.  To me, this is pornography.  I oppose the flaunting of sex.  It is called intimacy for a reason.  It is to be shared between the partners and none else.  I made love to my wife last night.  Did I record and upload it for you all to see?  No.  I am keeping it personal.

Second, the novel promotes sex out of marriage.  Obviously I oppose this for reasons already stated.

Third, it treats sex as a form of selfish pleasure rather than selfless giving and sharing.  What did I do with my wife last night?  I didn't screw her, I didn't tap that, I didn't use any other disrespectful term.  I made love, because I feel that when we engaged in sexual contact, it was about loving giving rather than lustful taking.

Fourth, that novel shows BDSM, even if I did find that as a selfless form of sex (I don't), as abuse.  Many who have read it (and I'm going by their opinion, as I have not) feel it shows an abusive, controlling, manipulative relationship, not a giving relationship between equal partners.  So even if you argue that BDSM is a wonderful thing where the submissive is really in control (yeah, I'm sure that's how it always is), this book does not portray it that way.

And fifth, in spite of all this book has going against it, in spite of how trashy and poorly written it is, in spite of the negative psychology correlated with those who are fans of the book, it is a huge bestseller, with a movie made after it, shown just in time for Valentine's Day so that we can celebrate the day of love watching lustful, selfish indulgence and encourage more teens to get pregnant and glorify the worship of such self-serving behavior rather than the outward devotion that true love really is.

And people are buying their Fandango tickets in advance.

I don't care who the primary audience is.  It's a stupid book, it's a filthy movie, and it shows the dysfunction of our society.

I'm off work tonight.  I hope to make love to my wife again.

TV's Frink said:

 in SilverWook said:

darth_ender said:

Why does our society glorify sex?  Further, why is the abuse of women so popular that Hollywood has to release a BDSM pornographic movie and rate it only R?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifty_shades_of_grey/

Funny, I thought our society glorified violence, as it's gets more of a pass from the MPAA than sex usually does. Blow people away all you want, but if you show just one penis, it's NC-17 for you! ;)

I thought the fanbase for the book was mostly women? Go fig.

 Exactly right on both counts.

 Our society does glorify violence as well, and that bugs me too.  How many people are inspired to do evil things because of movies and books?  Probably more than we care to admit.

But this book has been looked at as endorsing violence on women by many.  Yes, the fanbase is largely female, but that doesn't make the content any more to their advantage.

Our society has replaced love with lust, and the numerous problems that have followed are simply shrugged off as just part of the times we live in.  It couldn't possibly be because of the influence of some trashy novel or movie, just like kids never commit suicide because Marilyn Manson screamed something about it on a CD.

Why does our society glorify sex?  Further, why is the abuse of women so popular that Hollywood has to release a BDSM pornographic movie and rate it only R?

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fifty_shades_of_grey/

^ALOL!

I just gave some fresh frozen plasma, but I don't see what it had to do with DVD upscaling.