darklordoftech

• The claim that Obi-Wan saying he didn’t own R2 in ANH contradicts the prequels. Obi-Wan never owned R2.

• The claim that the Sith using lightsabers contradicts The Emperor calling Luke’s lightsaber “the weapon of a Jedi” and “his Jedi weapon”. The Emperor’s point was to mock Luke’s claim to being a Jedi Knight, and just because lightsabers are Jedi weapons doesn’t mean they can’t also be Sith weapons.

I wonder if we would have seen something related to the Priestesses from TCW.

The Massassi story in “The Night Beast” comic strip set the stage for important Sith lore and various gods referenced throughout the comics set the stage for Abeloth.

Maybe red lasers are better at killing people while green lasers are better at disabling/shooting down/destroying space ships?

It isn’t in any of the screenplay drafts. Also, in the first screeplay draft, when Yoda’s ghost appears in the throne room, Palpatine says, “You!”, implying that he knows who Yoda really is.

• That the Mandalorians started out as a species. Unlike the Sith (where “Lords of” was interpreted as “rulers of a species”), there was nothing suggesting that the Mandalorians were ever a species.

• The inconsistencies surrounding how long lightsabers have been around and what they were like in different eras. I prefer the idea that lightsabers haven’t changed since the Jedi began “over a thousand generations” ago.

• Darths pre-Bane and post-ROTJ.

• If they didn’t want KOTOR to resemble TOTJ, why did they have it take place so close to TOTJ? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to set it during the New Sith Wars?

• Why did KOTOR create a generic precursor race when the Sith species already existed?

Thank you.

Korriban was never stated to be the homeworld of the Sith species before KOTOR, so if they used the Sith species in place of the Rakata, they could have said that Korriban was just the only colony of the Sith species that the Jedi Exiles knew about and made the tropical planet at the end a colony that was founded before the Korriban colony and where the Sith species still thrives.

The idea here is to have KOTOR take place longer after TOTJ. More specifically, make KOTOR the beginning of the “New Sith Wars”, with Revan being the “founder of the Sith” talked about in the TPM novelization. This way, the difference in aesthetic and technology between TOTJ and KOTOR would make more sense. I feel that it would make sense for the “founding of the Sith” referenced in the TPM novelization to also be the beginning of the “Darth” title and red lightsabers. I also think that the Star Forge should have been an invention of the Sith species instead of introducing the Rakata.

Can the movies have unreliable narrators? Lucas has always said that R2 and 3PO are telling the story.

The Sith are as old as the Jedi.

ZkinandBonez said:

darklordoftech said:

I’d understand Han Solo in ANH calling Vader a “dark Jedi” the way my parents might call a Playstation a “Nintendo”, but it doesn’t make sense for Yoda to call someone a “dark Jedi”.

When did Yoda refer to anyone as “Dark Jedi”?

I meant if he did. What I meant was characters who are Force-educated.

edit: merged this post with my above post

I’d understand Han Solo in ANH calling Vader a “dark Jedi” the way my parents might call a Playstation a “Nintendo”, but it doesn’t make sense for Yoda to call someone a “dark Jedi”.

ZkinandBonez said:

none of the post-ROTJ darkside-users qualified as being part of the Sith order.

This is true. Before TPM was released, EU writers were told not to use the term “Sith” to refer to anyone other than Vader if the story was set within the lifetime of characters from the movies.

The term “Dark Jedi”. It’s like calling Nazis “Dark Americans” during WWII.

Mara Jade infiltrating Jabba’s Palace to kill Luke.
The whole point of ESB and ROTJ is that Vader and the Emperor want to turn Luke to the dark side.

The outrage when the creators of Rebels said that the Fetts aren’t Mandalorians. Just because they wear Mandalorian-looking armor doesn’t mean they have to be Mandalorians themselves.

The claim that everyone should have suspected something because of Jango being both the clone template and Dooku’s assasin. If it came out that a military contractor was selling weapons to both America and ISIS, I doubt many people would claim that the President is the secret leader of ISIS.

Maybe instead of the Jedi having a temple on Coruscant and thinking that the Sith are extinct, the Jedi and Sith are both secretive but aware of each other’s existence. The average person isn’t aware of either order’s existence, and the orders aren’t aware of the identities of the other’s members. This would explain things like Motti and Han not believing in The Force, Tarkin knowing that Vader was Obi-Wan’s apprentice but not seeming to know that Vader is Anakin, etc.

The claim that people carbon-freezing themselves in stories that take place before ESB contradicts Lando’s and Vader’s uncertainty about if a human can survive the Cloud City carbon-freezing process. Vader states that it was a “crude” carbon-freezing chamber, implying that that specific machine was the issue.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Can somebody explain to me what’s wrong with Minch, then?

As we said, Heir to the Empire says that Yoda killed the Dark Jedi in the Dagobah cave during the Clone Wars while Leland Chee said that Minch did it 700 years before the movies.

suspiciouscoffee said:

It’s stupid whether he’s the Real Yoda or not.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Thirded. The other issue it is that the Thrawn books said Yoda did that during the Clone Wars, not hundreds of years beforehand.

DuracellEnergizer said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

“That doesn’t seem any worse than Yaddle or whatever, this isn’t so bad.”

*reads article*

“O no, it’s so much worse.”

Especially if you’ve read the Thrawn Trilogy beforehand.

The issue is that it contradicts Yoda being the one who did that.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Minch

• I think that Obi-Wan had at least one other Apprentice. Tarkin knows that Vader was Obi-Wan’s Apprentice, but doesn’t know that Vader = Anakin. Obi-Wan having another Apprentice would explain this.

• Maybe Yoda warned Obi-Wan and Anakin to stay out of the Clone Wars because war leads to the dark side, but Obi-Wan and Anakin didn’t listen.

The True Sith, the powerful ancestors of the primitives who the Rakata and Jedi Exiles found on Korriban, the Dark Lords of the Rakata, want revenge. The last Sith ghosts have been destroyed by the New Republic and New Jedi Order. The True Sith watched with horror as Palpatine fell into a reactor and Exar Kun’s spirit was killed. No traces of the Sith species or Order remain in the parts of the galaxy known to humans, and the True Sith have decided that it’s time to take things into their own hands.

Some notes:

• Kalgrath, Palpatine clones, Lumiya, A’Sharad Hett, and the Vong don’t exist.
• All spirits and holocrons on Korriban are destroyed by the time of TPM.
• The True Sith colonized Korriban. The Sith species we all know are the primitive descendents of colonists who lost contact with their fellow Sith.
• The Rakata were corrupted and puppeteered by the True Sith, hence the True Sith being the Dark Lords of the Rakata. The True Sith also corrupted Xendor, the first Dark Lord of the Sith.
• Like in the actual EU, the Sith species uses the dark side because of their culture, not because of their genetics.
• The only things that have to happen are the original Jedi Schism and resulting formation of the Dark Lords of the Sith and the events of the original trilogy. Things like TOR don’t have to happen.
• My inspirations are an early Vong concept described in The Essential Reader’s Companion and fan speculation that occured in between KOTOR II’s and TOR’s release.