ray_afraid said:
RicOlie_2 said:
....Darth Plagueis ....
I keep seeing that name pop up on the forum... Who is this character? I can tell by the things said about him that he must be in the PT, but I don't remember a think about him.
Is it possible that Palpatine is possessed by the "Sith Emperor"?
RicOlie_2 said:
Or everybody who disagrees with the president becoming a terrorist.
This
RicOlie_2 said:
This also shows that the dark side of the force is more powerful than the light side, since light side users must practice moderation in order to avoid becoming proud and falling to the dark side, which it shouldn't be.
This too. The whole point of the Sith is that their ways don't work at the end of the day.
One thing the EU does wrong is that everybody who disagrees with the prequel trilogy Jedi in any little way becomes a Sith. That's like anybody who disagrees with the pope in any little way becoming a Nazi.
skyjedi2005 said:
darklordoftech said:
On TFN they're convinced that Darth Plagueis will be the villain.
The character from the dropped subplot that taught Palpatine how to manipulate midi chlorians, which he used to create Anakin. Making the Emperor Luke's granddaddy probably was a step to far for Lucas.
But so was young Han Solo in Episode III.
I am hoping JJ pretends the prequels never happened or never mentions them.
It's quite hilarious how they think GL brilliantly and deliberately forshadowed the triumphant return of Darth Plagueis. One of Plagueis's main roles was to get murdered in the backstory.
imperialscum said: I must say though that I am not a big fan of 1000 years old immortal Emperor.
Same here. The "Sith Emperor" is a rip-off of Palpatine who totally undermines Palpatine's uniqueness, accomplishments, and importance.
On TFN they're convinced that Darth Plagueis will be the villain.
DuracellEnergizer said:
darklordoftech said:
SilverWook said:
The crux of the argument is this: Does the Empire fall in a day after ROTJ, or does it take some time? The Special Edition would have you believe in instant collapse. The original version mostly leaves it up to the mind of the viewer.
There's several sources from 1983 that suggest that the intent was always instant collapse. Making of ROTJ is full of references to the Empire dying with Palpatine and the ROTJ novelization ends with the words, "The Empire is dead."
Only what shows up on screen matters. Authorial intent, supplimentary material, and various behind-the-scenes comments don't matter.
Tell Thrawn that.
SilverWook said:
The crux of the argument is this: Does the Empire fall in a day after ROTJ, or does it take some time? The Special Edition would have you believe in instant collapse. The original version mostly leaves it up to the mind of the viewer.
There's several sources from 1983 that suggest that the intent was always instant collapse. Making of ROTJ is full of references to the Empire dying with Palpatine and the ROTJ novelization ends with the words, "The Empire is dead."
Making of ROTJ and the ROTJ novelization confirm the death of the Empire.
imperialscum said:
darklordoftech said:
Am I the only one who understands how the Empire died with Palpatine in ROTJ?
No, you are definitely not the only one. But it seems there are not many of us.
Welcome to the club.
timdiggerm said:
darklordoftech said:
Am I the only one who understands how the Empire died with Palpatine in ROTJ?
Do you want to explain that? Because the EU perspective of a bureaucracy and military so large that it can function without its head for a long time is pretty convincing. It's not like Palpatine invented the Empire; he just militarized the existing government, and that military (and cultural change) don't disappear overnight.
1. The Empire depended on Palpatine's Force powers (as explained in the ROTJ novelization).
2. The people of the galaxy had come to hate the Empire.
3. The Empire without Palpatine is the Republic.
Am I the only one who understands how the Empire died with Palpatine in ROTJ?
imperialscum said:
Well I don't care about the "official canon". I regard OT as completely canon. Then there are EU sources that I regards almost completely canon (by that I mean I ignore a few things I don't like within the source) such as KOTOR1/2 SWTOR, JK2 and JKA. And then there are sources from which I mostly only pick the major events and characters (example: Thrawn Trilogy - not that I dislike it, I just never got into it). And lastly there is stuff that I mostly ignore (FU, Dark Empire, PT).
Would you be ok with the ST contradicting the JK series and/or the TOR series? As for me, no matter how much I love something, I have no problem with something else contradicting it.
I aabhor the very concept of fictional canon. It's all fiction.
There's a rumor that the Clone Wars will reveal Lama Su to be in cohorts with Sidious and in the know about Order 66.
Although "Sith" might not technically be a prequelism, the association is still there, and there is the whole "unlimited powah" thing. In addition to that, post-ROTJ Sith would be like a dead character returning and wouldn't be very threatening.
The EU repeats the same story over and over, just like The Legend of Zelda. Specifically:
1. Jedi and Republic are complacent and believe the Sith to be extinct
2. The Sith, who were defeated long ago, corrupt someone and take over
3. The Sith are betrayed by a high-up apprentice, saving the day
twister111 said:
I can't speak for Abrams but after what Disney did to Power Rangers, shortly before Saban saved it, I wouldn't put it past Disney to embrace prequelisms.darklordoftech said:
In addition to that, "Sith" is largely a prequelism, so Disney and Abrams might want to avoid it.
I can't wait for "padawans" and midi-chlorians.
A personal curiosity: what (if anything) will the Jedi robe be in the ST?
I want to point out that nobody ever says, "Anakin became a Sith." (although he did). Everybody always says, "Anakin turned to the Dark Side." In addition to that, "Sith" is largely a prequelism, so Disney and Abrams might want to avoid it.
TFN goes to disturbing lengths to defend the EU and the continued existence of the Sith in it and their theoretical ST. They say "Sith is an idea." "Sith" is a sect, not an idea. They also say that users of the dark side of The Force who aren't called "Sith" will confuse non-fans, a claim so rediculous that I don't know what to say.
m_s0 said:
Baronlando said:
I fell down that rabbit hole last year and discovered that blog considers TFN too moderate and disloyal. They're about a year away from sending suicide bombers to simon pegg's house. JJ and episode 7 are already on their shit list.
What did Abrams do to deserve such fate? The nerds are pretty vocal about how he should ignore the PT, sure, but he's done a good job of avoiding passing judgement on those. There's no details on ep VII yet and Abrams has been very PC and very diplomatic so unless I've missed something they should pretty much love him for not siding with all of the people who bash the PT.
It could be that differences between the directing of Lucas and the directing of Abrams worry some fans.
Baronlando said:
I fell down that rabbit hole last year and discovered that blog considers TFN too moderate and disloyal. They're about a year away from sending suicide bombers to simon pegg's house. JJ and episode 7 are already on their shit list.
TFN keeps parroting "look at Marvel", "more Star Wars movies can only be a good thing", and "hating the ST is just like hating the PT (unless the reason for hating the ST is EU-related)". Prequel Appreciation Society (rightly) feels that TFN blindly loves anything with the "Star Wars" brand on it. TFN likes Dark Empire!
AntcuFaalb said:
CO said:
darklordoftech said:
2. Don't make any effort to be consistent with the EU.
I don't think they are going to worry about the EU, simply because the casual fan and most SW fans (including me) have never read any EU stuff so we don't know the difference.
In saying that, I expect to hear from the EU fans once the ST comes out, as I am sure they will be one of the biggest bashers of this trilogy for that reason alone. It will be comparable to OOT fans like us bashing the SE.
I actually thought about all the battles on the internet that will probably be going on once the ST comes out:
OOT fans vs SE fansOOT fans vs Saga 1-6 fans
Saga 1-6 fans vs Saga 1-9 fans
Saga 4-6.1-3 vs Saga 1-6
EU fans vs ST fans
Did I leave anyone out??? LOL!
lol, can we expect originalsaga.com sometime soon?
... or is that just TFN? :-D
TFN isn't originalsaga.com. On TFN, they embrace everything with the "Star Wars" brand.
I don't care for "canon". At all. As for why I don't care about canon, why would I care about canon?