darklordoftech

Should the Empire be anti-alien or not?

I don't want to see an army of Sith because:

1. They'd kill each other off. Not a threat to anybody else and not learning from history.

2. "Death Star syndrome". Just like the second Death Star made an individual Death Star less threatening, an army of Sith would make an individual Sith less threatening.

DuracellEnergizer said:Nothing could ever be worse than the PT.

 

Twilight, Transformers, Batman & Robin

adywan said:

This is a really interesting excerpt from the upcoming "Making of Return of the Jedi" book.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/star-wars-prequels-return-of-the-jedi_n_3313793.html

Interesting to just how different his plans were back then. It also destroys the argument of the prequel fans that they were planned out that way all along ( i bet they're going to love that ;) ). 

So to summarise;

Yoda doesn't fight. He is more of a teacher.

NO MIDICHLORIANS

Jedi can love and marry.

ANYONE can learn to use the force if they are prepared to learn.

Luke & Leia's mother was still alive until they were 2 years old

So they would have originally fit in pretty well with the OT.

also,

The Empire ceases to exist at the end of ROTJ.

Palpatine is described as an ancient being who looks the way he does because he's using the dark side to make himself immortal.

SilverWook said:

I've been out comic collecting circles for a long time, but I never heard Crisis regarded as crap. It was an attempt to smooth out 50 years' worth of continuity issues. The EU is hardly that messy. ;)

Unless wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff goes in the EU these days, I can't see the Galaxy Far Far Away being altered in such a fashion, without a ridiculous amount of deus ex machina, that would be below the dignity of fifth rate fan fiction.

Crisis was totally uneccesary in my opinion. I would have preferred an outright reboot.

DuracellEnergizer said:I certainly do not need to see a poorly conceived, poorly executed in-universe "event" that literally shows the continuity of the universe being altered.

 

I'm with you on that. Such an "event" would truly be completionism at the expense of quality.

Something else I don't want to see in the sequel trilogy: an "evil can never be destroyed" theme. Too dark for Star Wars.

Aural sensors. Sound in space is supposed to be "Star Wars physics".

Jedi constantly becoming Sith. It's like Martin Luther King becoming a white supremecist.

Undermining the movies. Can the Sith and Empire please die?

Canon Nazis. In many places it's become impossible to have a movies-only conversation and Disney has received death threats for contradicting the EU.

Everybody, what is your greatest fear for episodes 7-9?

SilverWook said:

If the villain turns out to be a scantly clad Sith woman like Darth Talon, I think many fan concerns will fade away. ;)

It won't make my concers fade away.

I don't want the Sith to be seemingly extinct, but in reality not extinct. Let the GFFA learn from history.

Bingowings said:

NES.

SNES

If there are to be any Sith in the sequel trilogy, the Chosen One prophecy will have to be mentioned. Otherwise, there will be a huge contradiction. 

What I can't grasp is why some fans don't accept that vast amount of material as legitimate. The entire entity is fiction.  Why is there a need for some fans to have some parts of it be seen as more official than others?

What do you mean by "legitimate" and "official"?

Tack said:

The bigger question is "can I stand idly by while these discussions carry on?"

Yes. Yes I can.

Thank you!!!!

RicOlie_2 said:

Verboten said:

Palpatine's question in that scene does not make sense. How would the Jedi know anything about Plagueis? It's the same problem with Yoda knowing about the rule two.

How does it not make sense? Palpatine stated that it wasn't a story the Jedi would tell, but that doesn't necessarily mean they knew about it. It could just mean that the Jedi don't tell stories about great rises to power because they don't want Jedi following that path and falling to the Dark Side. Plagueis was a secret and the Jedi didn't know about him, and Palpatine knew that they wouldn't know about him. Yoda didn't necessarily know about a "rule of two", but he did know that for ages there had only been two Sith at a time, and no more.

About the Rule of Two, Lucas said that the Rule of Two has existed for "thousands of years", implying that its institution occured long before the Sith seemigly went extinct. However, bad wording in the TPM novelization's Sith history led the EU to believe that the institution of the Rule of Two was a result of the Sith getting wiped out.

DuracellEnergizer said:

How about fallen (risen?) Sith?

I'll have to think about that.

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

RicOlie_2 said:

Somehow there is a distinguishment (is that a word?) between Dark Jedi and Sith too, but that doesn't really count since they're essentially the same thing.

It's funny, really, how the Sith & Dark Jedi have been portrayed/characterized over the years.

In the 90's, the Sith in the EU-- the ones in the comics, at least -- were often labelled as Dark Jedi by the other characters in the stories, but they still had enough distinguishing characteristics to set them apart from the more mundane Dark Jedi who turned up in books like The Crystal Star.

Flash forward to today, and now there's this big distinction placed between the two, even though there's little-to-no difference between the two ethically or aesthetically (red lightsabers, pale white skin, yellow eyes, megalomania, uncompromising hatred for Jedi, etc, etc.).

 

So true. The 90s EU and the prequels had different definitions of "Sith", so the modern EU decided to reconcile them by making everybody a Sith.

Whatever they do, no fallen Jedi!

Tobar said:

darklordoftech said:

One thing the EU does wrong is that everybody who disagrees with the prequel trilogy Jedi in any little way becomes a Sith.

Kyle Katarn

Jolee Bindo

It wasn't so pravalent before ROTS was releases. After ROTS was released, the EU got carried away with it.

RicOlie_2 said:

last I checked, Qui-Gon disagreed with the Jedi council on several points, but he never became a Sith...

If the prequels hadn't killed Qui-GOn off, chances are the EU would have made him become a Sith.

ray_afraid said:

RicOlie_2 said:

 

don't worry, he just posted a link to the scene in Episode three about him.

That's what I'm afraid of...

RicOlie_2 said:

Plagueis is Palpatine's master.

Ah, right on. Thanks!

Here's the conversation I posted a link to:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

darklordoftech said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

darklordoftech said:

SilverWook said:

The crux of the argument is this: Does the Empire fall in a day after ROTJ, or does it take some time? The Special Edition would have you believe in instant collapse. The original version mostly leaves it up to the mind of the viewer.

There's several sources from 1983 that suggest that the intent was always instant collapse. Making of ROTJ is full of references to the Empire dying with Palpatine and the ROTJ novelization ends with the words, "The Empire is dead."

Only what shows up on screen matters. Authorial intent, supplimentary material, and various behind-the-scenes comments don't matter.

 

Tell Thrawn that.

Placing the Thrawn Trilogy in my own personal canon =/= the Thrawn Trilogy's validity outside of my own personal canon.

Nice strawman argument, though.

 

You're the one using the strawman argument. You have repeatedly insisted that the Thrawn trilogy is absolutely canon and flamed anybody who doesn't acknowledge it.

ray_afraid said:

RicOlie_2 said:

....Darth Plagueis ....

I keep seeing that name pop up on the forum... Who is this character? I can tell by the things said about him that he must be in the PT, but I don't remember a think about him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R09jFWQVrE0

Is it possible that Palpatine is possessed by the "Sith Emperor"?