There's also some things that I think should remain mysterious in the nuEU and the spin-offs. These things include the history of the Sith and the origin of the Dagobah cave.
DuracellEnergizer said:
some stories dealing with parallel universes.
You have no idea how much I would enjoy reading a story set in a universe in which Vader's family appears and Vader is their last name.
RicOlie_2 said:
I agree. Some people dislike the idea of canon altogether, but I don't mind it at all, provided there is actually canon and not a big mess of contradictions peddled as canon.
My preference, from favorite to leaat favorite:
1. No canon at all.
2. A canon that actually makes sense.
3. "A big mess of contradictions peddled as canon."
The EU was in reality the third entry on my list. Clashes between authors were blatant.
Tyrphanax said:
darklordoftech said:
What do you want to see or not want to see in the future?
You know, I'm actually just glad to know that from now on, everything will have to go through some real scrutiny in order to get put out there.
Hopefully that scrutiny means no more stupid stories that break continuity, no more forceful retconning to make everything jive, hopefully less emphasis on the Prequels.
I'm just glad for a real, united Star Wars canon.
This. I'm so glad to say goodbye to the DC-like "canon" that was the EU.
What do you want to see or not want to see in the future?
There's a pic supposedly showing a villain that looks like a Nightsister. You have no idea how hard I'll laugh if there's no Sith or Dark Jedi.
I hate how all the cool mysteries are destroyed with explanations. Dagobah cave? Explained by a Dark Jedi dying there. Origin of the Sith? So over-explained that the Sith aren't cool anymore. Planet biomes? Explained by precursor races and Sith wars.
Vozlov said:
Overall I hate most of the EU. It's a convoluted mess that serves nobody but second rate writers looking for their next pay check.
I also feel this way. Often I want to respond to the title of this thread with, "That it exists."
Vozlov said:
I'm currently working on writing KoToR 3, exploring the 'ancient times' which is a complete rewrite of Marka Ragnos and the Great Hyperspace war, setting it a few thousand years after the fall of the Rakataka and the Infinite Empire. I'd also incorporate and rewrite the origins of the Valley of the Jedi, linking it to the threat that Revan went off into the unknown regions to fight. This will all in turn link in to my prequel rewrite.
You might find it interesting that at one point during the development of the NJO book series the Yuuzhan Vong were supposed to be a Sith Empire that was older than the Republic. NJO was also supposed to be a comic series instead of a novel series at this point.
How the EU violates Occam's Razor at every oppertunity and makes things as complicated, convoluted, and confusing as it can.
Wannabe Scholar said:
darklordoftech said:
Luuke Skywalker
The fact that he has no personality or they cloned Luke in the first place (or both)?
both
Luuke Skywalker
What's with the internet's Plagueis fetish? I don't see any reason to doubt that Palpatine killed Plagueis. In fact, I find it more likely that Plagueis never existed than I do that Plagueis survived.
DuracellEnergizer said:
Sounds to me that the writers of TOR are so unoriginally crazy about making the Empire a modern incarnation of the Sith Empire that they're retroactively assigning Imperial motiffs to TOR's Sith Empire in order to make it look like Palpatine deliberately designed his Empire to emulate the Sith Empire.
Correct, and Palpatine never struck me as the emulating type. Last time I checked, Palpatine believed himself to be one and only person fit to rule. Furthermore, it makes the Republic and Jedi look stupid.
Ziggy Stardust said:
I haven't read the entire thread, so, I apologize if this concept was previously presented here, or in the countless EU fiction that's been written over the years.
I think it would be interesting to see something involving Alderaan. I don't mean to just show the planet in passing, but to make it a very important, prominently featured locale, in the same vain as Tatooine in SW. The main character could be a young Alderaanian (I don't know if that's the correct term), who grows up hearing about the powerful things the Empire can do, and, since the system is mostly out of their jurisdiction, he glorifies what is said about their staggering strength. Over time, we see him become a prominent Imperial figure, and truly strives to build a massive Empire. The film ends with Alderaan's destruction, as he watches those that share his ideologies obliterate his entire past. We could see the frantic panic of the citizens as this ominous space station draws nearer to their home.
If the movie ends here, it could lead to some uncertainty, or it could move onward to show him trying to create a fairer, modified, Empire, similar to the differing branches of Christianity. The Empire wouldn't take too kindly to this, and would brand him a traitor. This is NOT the Alliance that he's joined, but something totally different. Why does everything need to be the Rebels versus the Empire? Let's see the third parties.
Besides, it could really create a much more emotional reaction when the planet is demolished, which would leave a huge impact on the viewer, and, in a way, make the original film much more emotionally satisfying when you see it happen again, from Leia's perspective.
I love this idea. This might be the best spin-off idea that I have ever heard.
What I hate most about SWTOR is that the Sith Empire uses the Bendu symbol and has "Moffs" who dress just like the Moffs of the Galactic Empire. Aside from SWTOR, the movies, TcW, and the EU have always agree that the Galactic Empire got those things from the Republic, not from the Sith, and I've always loved the irony that those things came from the Republic.
DuracellEnergizer said: The various writers of the modern EU fumbled the ball when they made the Republic/Empire encompass most of the galaxy instead of just a small portion of it.
Why do you feel that way?
I like that the post-ROTJ Empire and the Vong were major threats without being Sith.
The Republic using a predeccesor of the Imperial symbol. It shows that the Empire is the very Republic that Obi-Wan told Luke about.
DuracellEnergizer said: the fact that none of the Sith during the Great Hyperspace War were shown wielding lightsabers does imply that they had no knowledge of the technology.
The first Sith Lords were said to have had lightsabers before they were said to have lived in 7000 BBY, so lightsabers existing in 7000 BBY isn't the initial problem.
The sad thing about this show is that the clones in TCW look more like Stormtroopers than the Stormtroopers in this.
TCW Anakin is more like Anakin as Obi-Wan described him in the OT while Anakin in the rest of the prequel-era EU is more like Anakin in the prequels. This means that there's a major plus to the legends announcement: besides the prequels themselves, we can say bye-bye to prequel Anakin!
Tobar said:
The existence of the "True Sith" has caused some confusion with their placement in the canonical timeline of galactic chronology. When Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords was first released, the establishment of the Old Sith Empire was believed to have taken place circa 25,000 BBY. Additionally, the beginning of the "True Sith"'s existence was fixed as being approximately "tens of thousands of years" in the past. In 2005, however, the establishment of the Old Sith Empire was retconned to have happened around 6900 BBY, which presented a new divide in the historical placement of the two groups, and indeed in the very nature of the Sith themselves.
Later, it was discovered that, after the Sith King Adas died while driving the Rakata from Korriban in 27,700 BBY, the Sith species possessed the technology to relocate themselves to nearby planets, creating the region known as Sith Space and the earliest Sith Empire.
I know, Tobar, but thanks anyway. Where did you get all that from?
DuracellEnergizer said:
Well, in the later TOTJ comics, it was established that around 5000 BBY, the Jedi wielded archaic lightsabers with external power packs while the Sith didn't wield any lightsabers at all. That all got retconned later, though (I'm not sure where), and now the Jedi are depicted as wielding archaic lightsabers as long ago as 7000 BBY, with the first Sith Lords even depicted as wielding modern lightsabers.
I don't see how archaic sabers in 5000 BBY = no sabers at all in 7000 BBY, but the first Sith Lords having modern sabers is absolutely wrong. The first Sith Lords lived before the events of the comics with the archaic sabers.
Interestingly, the idea that the first Sith Lords had lightsabers at all originated with Kreia saying in KOTOR II that Tulak Hord was among the first Sith Lords and was an excellent lightsaber wielder. Possibly to accomodate that, the first Sith Lords were retconned to have lived in 7000 BBY instead of 25,000 BBY as previously implied.
DuracellEnergizer said:
retconned the Jedi and Sith into possessing lightsaber technology millennia before the technology was supposed to have even been invented.
Where was this?