darklordoftech

The following changes would improve the Sequel Trilogy:

• Remove Starkiller Base’s superweapon powers and its destruction. Make it just a military base. The movie should stick to the search for Luke plot.

• When Kylo asks Palpatine how he survived, have Palpatine say, “Did Luke really think I was foolish enough to send my true body to the second Death Star?”

• Have Palpatine say “bring the girl here” instead of “kill the girl” and have him drain Rey and Kylo as soon as they arrive rather than trying to essence transfer into Rey.

• More world-building. Do the people of the galaxy and/or the characters know that Count Dooku and the Trade Federation were working for Palpatine?

Lucas was often asked about the original versions and Kennedy has been asked about further changes to the movies, but Kennedy has never been asked about the original versions.

Have you read them? If so, what do you think of them?

CatBus said:

I also see that they made intentional parallels between Yoda and the Emperor, as far as being the masters of their respective apprentices. Some of it is more apparent in Jedi, but it certainly starts in Empire. Frail, wrinkled, very old figure who walks with the aid of a stick. Smaller than their pupil. The use of both the words “master” and “friend” to describe their relationship (friend might not seem like a giveaway, but Lucas frequently links the last line of one scene with the first line of the next scene – “I have a promise to keep… to an old friend” / “Rise, my friend”)

It seems like as they were developing a master/pupil dynamic for Yoda and Luke in Empire, they were doing the same for the Emperor and Vader. The Emperor just didn’t get much screentime until Jedi.

I noticed this too. Their reveals are in consecutive scenes and both reveal that there were greater forces at work than we realized.

The Emperor doesn’t seem to be a Force-user in the 1976 novelization. Do you think that reflected Lucas’s intent at the time, and if so, when do you think Lucas decided to make The Emperor a Force-user?

I find it interesting that The Emperor doesn’t abolish The Senate in the unrevised fourth draft. This would change the political situation after Return of the Jedi.

ZkinandBonez said:

darklordoftech said:

Typos getting canonized.

Such as?

This is the first time I’ve heard of it.

“Vaapad” being in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction.

Also, I hate that things aren’t labeled to tell us if they’re part of the New EU. We shouldn’t have to debate whether or not a reference book released in 2016 is “canon”.

It wouldn’t feel like “Tatooine but without the charm”, it would make TFA feel more connected to the OT, it would feel TFA is picking up where ROTJ left off, and it would forshadow Rey’s parantege.

Would you have liked the 1991-2014 EU to have picked up where Star Wars 107 left off instead of what they did with Thrawn and Dark Empire?

1. “Over a thousand generations” before the movies: The Jedi were founded on Ach-to.

2. “Thousands of years” before the movies: The Sith were founded, quickly killed each other off, and then started following the Rule of Two and using puppet entities to take over the galaxy.

3. 1000 years before the movies: The Sith ruled the galaxy through a puppet entity, but then the Jedi seemingly wiped them out and overthrew the puppet entity. The Republic was then formed.

Typos getting canonized.

Ignoring the Expanded Universe, what would you imagine about the history of the Yavin Temple?

paja said:

Hey, you know that one scene in Return of the Jedi Where Darth brings Luke to The Emperor and he says “Ah, yes. A Jedi’s weapon, much like your father’s” Would that mean only the Jedi (Pre Prequels/EU) used them officially labeled as their own weapon?

Meaning that Vader would be the only Sith in out of all to use one as his own.

Note: The term Sith was used in one of the original scripts for SW77

JEDIT:

That makes me theorize that the previous Sith before Vader only used their force abilities/powers and other.

I think The Emperor was just mocking Luke’s progress as a Jedi. I also think that at the time, the intention was that “the Sith” were Jedi who had pledged themselves to The Emperor when the Jedi Purge began. Vader was low-ranked amongst them, hence his “I was but the learner” line in ANH.

I wish they released the OT and TPM on DVD in 2000 so that we wouldn’t be dependent on VHS to watch the 97SE or TPM unaltered.

Which covers are your favorite?

(Such a universe would include TCW and any other tv shows Lucas or Filoni felt like making)

I think he should have for the following reasons:

1. So he could show what his ideas are for elements of the Star Wars universe hinted at but not shown in the movies (such as the history of the Jedi and Sith).

2. To save the Expanded Universe by establishing a separate “cinematic universe” for Disney to continue at the same as the EU and show Disney that they can have two universes going at once just like Marvel. This would also prevent the issues with the EU that occured when TCW episodes first aired.

3. To show Disney that a Sequel Trilogy isn’t neccessary for Star Wars to be financially successful, preventing the story from continuing beyond ROTJ unless that’s what Lucas wanted.

What would happen after ROTJ if Palpatine didn’t dissolve the Imperial Senate?

The pre-1993 VHS and Laserdiscs. There seems to be the least screwing around with the colors.

C-3PO and R2-D2 are telling the story that we see in the movies to the Whills. The opening crawls are parts of the contents of the Journal of the Whills. We also know that the Whills taught Qui-Gon Jinn how to become a Force Ghost.

Early on in the development of Star Wars, the Whills were to be the only ones who could use The Force and they would give advice to the characters.

I guess they felt that you after defeating Hitler, David Duke is an anti-climactic big bad.

Anyway, I find it interesting that while Dark Empire says that Sidious learned how to Essence Transfer from the Tedryn Holocron sometime after ROTS and the Plagueis novel says the Banites lost the knowledge of Essence Transfer as a result of Darth Gravid and that Plagueis wasn’t interested in Essence Transfer, the Rise of Skywalker novelization makes it sound like Plagueis taught Essence Transfer to Sidious.

Korriban shows up in Halloween stories told by the people of the galaxy just like Transylvanian castles in our galaxy.

These guys, perhaps?

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Advisor

My thinking is that in ancient times, the Sith openly ruled the galaxy and used non-Force-sensitives as slaves, and that the people we see in ROS are descendents of people who bought into the claim that the Sith are the rightful rulers of the galaxy who the Sith hid on Exegol after open Sith rule of the galaxy ended.

I wish they had the stadium audience be all the pre-Sidious Sith.

Like the original trilogy, the sequel trilogy doesn’t show or talk about how civilians feel about the Republic, the First Order, the Resistance, etc. Rebels shows how people on Lothal feel but not how people anywhere else feel. I would have liked seeing people complaining about the Empire the way we see people complain about the Jedi in TCW.

Does anything come to mind?